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Recruiting In Texas: Food for Thought

Friends with a couple college coaches here in the South and across the board they all say the most well developed HS kids in America come from TX and GA. They say, however, the most talented come from FL and LA.
There are some really talented kids out west as well but the depth per capita isn’t as good as the south. The Trinity League in California is probably the top high school football league in the United States. Those are all private schools around LA though. Not the same thing as public high school football.
 
There are some really talented kids out west as well but the depth per capita isn’t as good as the south. The Trinity League in California is probably the top high school football league in the United States. Those are all private schools around LA though. Not the same thing as public high school football.
Probably a lot of recruiting going on there.
 
Friends with a couple college coaches here in the South and across the board they all say the most well developed HS kids in America come from TX and GA. They say, however, the most talented come from FL and LA.
I think most college coaches might even break it down by position group and say California is the best for QBs and WRs.
 
I think most college coaches might even break it down by position group and say California is the best for QBs and WRs.
I’d agree that a good amount might say so. Don’t know if I’d agree with most. Don’t know enough to know either way. Go Griz!
 
Texas... Well, I lived there off and on over the years. I have lived in Victoria (I started out on the chain crew and finished a line judge for HS ball there), Muleshoe, Guthrie (on the 6666's) and Pampa (my wife's aunt was Zach Thomas's 3rd grade teacher). What can I say? Well, they say high school football in Texas is a religion. That's true. It is the craziest thing I have ever witnessed. I lived in California, and it's just football, same with Nevada, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Washington, and Montana.

In Texas, high school football isn’t just a sport, it’s a cultural institution, a way of life. To people looking in from the outside, we think the devotion can is exaggerated, but it's not. For Texans, Friday night's are about more than just a game; they are about identity, pride, and community.

In small town Texas, football is the glue that binds the people together. Towns with populations barely scratching a few hundred will pour every ounce of their energy and spirit into their local teams. This is especially true with the really small towns, like Guthrie, where they play six-man, or Canadian where they play eight man, or places like Tulia, or Muleshoe. On Friday nights, the entire town will shutdown with the exceptions being the local Allsups, or a Menards or McDonald's. The tailgates start getting set up around five-thirty, they cheer the team as they walk through the tailgate area at 7:00 and start filing in at 7:15. The community comes together and for a few hours, people forget the things that divide them during the day, unless they are the visiting team, and the only race that matters is the one to the endzone.

These games aren't just entertainment to Texas families, they are social gatherings, family reunions, and civic pride all rolled into one. The high school represents the town's hopes and dreams, and their victories are celebrated as if they are personal triumphs, and in the even their team wins a district title? The town goes into overdrive. Once in a while, or for some towns, every year, they might bring a state title home. That's when they roll out the fire trucks and parade the team through the entire town.

In the cities and metro areas, it's still the same, only on a different scale. Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio... the intense passion remains. If the small town stadiums look like mini-college stadiums, the big sity stadiums can rival P% and NFL stadiums, because, well, a lot of the teams play in the NFL stadiums. These high schools have program operational budgets that would make UM and MSU green with envy. Recruiting, and media coverage are crazy. Many of the games are televised on ESPN, CBS, ABC, and the athletes are elevated to celebrity status.

In Texas, from the small towns like Paducah to the Fifth Ward of Houston, football is one of two major pathways out of poverty, the cow pastures, or oil patch. Football is upward mobility. The rituals surrounding Texas high school football are what make it feel like a religion. Crazy huge pep rallies on Friday mornings, marching bands practicing for halftime shows, cheerleaders perfecting routines, and booster clubs organizing tailgates, it’s all part of the liturgy. The smell of concession stand nachos, hot dogs, and popcorn, the sound of fight songs, and the sight of new and ancient letterman jackets create a sensory experience that feels timeless. Even the terminology, “Friday Night Lights”, thanks to Permian High school has become iconic, immortalized in books, movies, and TV shows.

Texas high school football is different than anywhere I have ever been because it offers something deeply human, a sense of belonging. Living in the Western United States is interesting because our states are so large and diverse. You can drive all day and still be in the same state. The population is large, and you see people from all walks of life at the games. I have quite literally watched cowboys ride up and wrap their horses reins around the hitching rail, wearing chaps,, covered in dust, and walk into a game next to the woman who rolled up in a Bentley, and they are all there to watch their kids become local heroes. In Texas high school football lore is passed down like scripture on Sunday mornings, and for many people, it's not about the game at all but sharing in something bigger than yourself.

At it's core, Football in Texas is just different than anywhere else. I didn't have kids in school, but we went to games, because my neighbors kids played and I had to support them. Football games are where business takes place. People actually get married at tailgates, you can watch four generations of families cheering on their athlete. Oh and don't forget about homecoming, where everyone is dressed to the nines, and the mums the girls are wearing are the size of hubcaps.

I know this was a little more than food for thought, but it's why I love Texas high school football, and I would love to see it like this in Montana. I don't know why it's not since both states and the populations are eerily similar. Heck, It's sorta like that here in Ohio. I go to Ironton to watch the Tigers play, and get hotdogs with their weird sauce, and coleslaw. I take my grandsons now. I show up in my Ironton T-shirt with My Griz hats on, and I talk up Griz football with die-hard Buckeye, Cincinnati, Kentucky and Louisville fans. Tbh if my grandsons play football, I would love for them to play in Texas, but then college ball at UM or Oregon. Screw Ohio State and FTC.
 
Texas... Well, I lived there off and on over the years. I have lived in Victoria (I started out on the chain crew and finished a line judge for HS ball there), Muleshoe, Guthrie (on the 6666's) and Pampa (my wife's aunt was Zach Thomas's 3rd grade teacher). What can I say? Well, they say high school football in Texas is a religion. That's true. It is the craziest thing I have ever witnessed. I lived in California, and it's just football, same with Nevada, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Washington, and Montana.

In Texas, high school football isn’t just a sport, it’s a cultural institution, a way of life. To people looking in from the outside, we think the devotion can is exaggerated, but it's not. For Texans, Friday night's are about more than just a game; they are about identity, pride, and community.

In small town Texas, football is the glue that binds the people together. Towns with populations barely scratching a few hundred will pour every ounce of their energy and spirit into their local teams. This is especially true with the really small towns, like Guthrie, where they play six-man, or Canadian where they play eight man, or places like Tulia, or Muleshoe. On Friday nights, the entire town will shutdown with the exceptions being the local Allsups, or a Menards or McDonald's. The tailgates start getting set up around five-thirty, they cheer the team as they walk through the tailgate area at 7:00 and start filing in at 7:15. The community comes together and for a few hours, people forget the things that divide them during the day, unless they are the visiting team, and the only race that matters is the one to the endzone.

These games aren't just entertainment to Texas families, they are social gatherings, family reunions, and civic pride all rolled into one. The high school represents the town's hopes and dreams, and their victories are celebrated as if they are personal triumphs, and in the even their team wins a district title? The town goes into overdrive. Once in a while, or for some towns, every year, they might bring a state title home. That's when they roll out the fire trucks and parade the team through the entire town.

In the cities and metro areas, it's still the same, only on a different scale. Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio... the intense passion remains. If the small town stadiums look like mini-college stadiums, the big sity stadiums can rival P% and NFL stadiums, because, well, a lot of the teams play in the NFL stadiums. These high schools have program operational budgets that would make UM and MSU green with envy. Recruiting, and media coverage are crazy. Many of the games are televised on ESPN, CBS, ABC, and the athletes are elevated to celebrity status.

In Texas, from the small towns like Paducah to the Fifth Ward of Houston, football is one of two major pathways out of poverty, the cow pastures, or oil patch. Football is upward mobility. The rituals surrounding Texas high school football are what make it feel like a religion. Crazy huge pep rallies on Friday mornings, marching bands practicing for halftime shows, cheerleaders perfecting routines, and booster clubs organizing tailgates, it’s all part of the liturgy. The smell of concession stand nachos, hot dogs, and popcorn, the sound of fight songs, and the sight of new and ancient letterman jackets create a sensory experience that feels timeless. Even the terminology, “Friday Night Lights”, thanks to Permian High school has become iconic, immortalized in books, movies, and TV shows.

Texas high school football is different than anywhere I have ever been because it offers something deeply human, a sense of belonging. Living in the Western United States is interesting because our states are so large and diverse. You can drive all day and still be in the same state. The population is large, and you see people from all walks of life at the games. I have quite literally watched cowboys ride up and wrap their horses reins around the hitching rail, wearing chaps,, covered in dust, and walk into a game next to the woman who rolled up in a Bentley, and they are all there to watch their kids become local heroes. In Texas high school football lore is passed down like scripture on Sunday mornings, and for many people, it's not about the game at all but sharing in something bigger than yourself.

At it's core, Football in Texas is just different than anywhere else. I didn't have kids in school, but we went to games, because my neighbors kids played and I had to support them. Football games are where business takes place. People actually get married at tailgates, you can watch four generations of families cheering on their athlete. Oh and don't forget about homecoming, where everyone is dressed to the nines, and the mums the girls are wearing are the size of hubcaps.

I know this was a little more than food for thought, but it's why I love Texas high school football, and I would love to see it like this in Montana. I don't know why it's not since both states and the populations are eerily similar. Heck, It's sorta like that here in Ohio. I go to Ironton to watch the Tigers play, and get hotdogs with their weird sauce, and coleslaw. I take my grandsons now. I show up in my Ironton T-shirt with My Griz hats on, and I talk up Griz football with die-hard Buckeye, Cincinnati, Kentucky and Louisville fans. Tbh if my grandsons play football, I would love for them to play in Texas, but then college ball at UM or Oregon. Screw Ohio State and FTC.
True to the culture football, especially HS football in Texas is a way of life. Over the years I've been to dozens of regular season HS games that had 15K in attendance and numerous playoff games of 20K plus. And you didn't even mention the monuments to the game that are the $60 million dollar stadiums that have sprung up all over the state that are way better than most in the Big Sky...
 
True to the culture football, especially HS football in Texas is a way of life. Over the years I've been to dozens of regular season HS games that had 15K in attendance and numerous playoff games of 20K plus. And you didn't even mention the monuments to the game that are the $60 million dollar stadiums that have sprung up all over the state that are way better than most in the Big Sky...
When I lived down there briefly I was absolutely shocked at the giant sized posters of the local football players in small town gas stations.
 
The economic impact on all small, midsize & large towns as well as cities is meaningful.

Game days generate substantial revenue for all local Texas economies. Restaurants, hotels, retailers, and gas stations experience increased traffic and sales, with some towns seeing their entire economy benefit from football-related activity. The investment in large stadiums and facilities—some seating over 18,000—reflects the community’s commitment and further amplifies economic returns.

The sport pages of these towns local papers are filled with half the space being given too HS sports. Lots of pictures and articles.
 
Texas... Well, I lived there off and on over the years. I have lived in Victoria (I started out on the chain crew and finished a line judge for HS ball there), Muleshoe, Guthrie (on the 6666's) and Pampa (my wife's aunt was Zach Thomas's 3rd grade teacher). What can I say? Well, they say high school football in Texas is a religion. That's true. It is the craziest thing I have ever witnessed. I lived in California, and it's just football, same with Nevada, Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Florida, North Carolina, Washington, and Montana.

In Texas, high school football isn’t just a sport, it’s a cultural institution, a way of life. To people looking in from the outside, we think the devotion can is exaggerated, but it's not. For Texans, Friday night's are about more than just a game; they are about identity, pride, and community.

In small town Texas, football is the glue that binds the people together. Towns with populations barely scratching a few hundred will pour every ounce of their energy and spirit into their local teams. This is especially true with the really small towns, like Guthrie, where they play six-man, or Canadian where they play eight man, or places like Tulia, or Muleshoe. On Friday nights, the entire town will shutdown with the exceptions being the local Allsups, or a Menards or McDonald's. The tailgates start getting set up around five-thirty, they cheer the team as they walk through the tailgate area at 7:00 and start filing in at 7:15. The community comes together and for a few hours, people forget the things that divide them during the day, unless they are the visiting team, and the only race that matters is the one to the endzone.

These games aren't just entertainment to Texas families, they are social gatherings, family reunions, and civic pride all rolled into one. The high school represents the town's hopes and dreams, and their victories are celebrated as if they are personal triumphs, and in the even their team wins a district title? The town goes into overdrive. Once in a while, or for some towns, every year, they might bring a state title home. That's when they roll out the fire trucks and parade the team through the entire town.

In the cities and metro areas, it's still the same, only on a different scale. Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio... the intense passion remains. If the small town stadiums look like mini-college stadiums, the big sity stadiums can rival P% and NFL stadiums, because, well, a lot of the teams play in the NFL stadiums. These high schools have program operational budgets that would make UM and MSU green with envy. Recruiting, and media coverage are crazy. Many of the games are televised on ESPN, CBS, ABC, and the athletes are elevated to celebrity status.

In Texas, from the small towns like Paducah to the Fifth Ward of Houston, football is one of two major pathways out of poverty, the cow pastures, or oil patch. Football is upward mobility. The rituals surrounding Texas high school football are what make it feel like a religion. Crazy huge pep rallies on Friday mornings, marching bands practicing for halftime shows, cheerleaders perfecting routines, and booster clubs organizing tailgates, it’s all part of the liturgy. The smell of concession stand nachos, hot dogs, and popcorn, the sound of fight songs, and the sight of new and ancient letterman jackets create a sensory experience that feels timeless. Even the terminology, “Friday Night Lights”, thanks to Permian High school has become iconic, immortalized in books, movies, and TV shows.

Texas high school football is different than anywhere I have ever been because it offers something deeply human, a sense of belonging. Living in the Western United States is interesting because our states are so large and diverse. You can drive all day and still be in the same state. The population is large, and you see people from all walks of life at the games. I have quite literally watched cowboys ride up and wrap their horses reins around the hitching rail, wearing chaps,, covered in dust, and walk into a game next to the woman who rolled up in a Bentley, and they are all there to watch their kids become local heroes. In Texas high school football lore is passed down like scripture on Sunday mornings, and for many people, it's not about the game at all but sharing in something bigger than yourself.

At it's core, Football in Texas is just different than anywhere else. I didn't have kids in school, but we went to games, because my neighbors kids played and I had to support them. Football games are where business takes place. People actually get married at tailgates, you can watch four generations of families cheering on their athlete. Oh and don't forget about homecoming, where everyone is dressed to the nines, and the mums the girls are wearing are the size of hubcaps.

I know this was a little more than food for thought, but it's why I love Texas high school football, and I would love to see it like this in Montana. I don't know why it's not since both states and the populations are eerily similar. Heck, It's sorta like that here in Ohio. I go to Ironton to watch the Tigers play, and get hotdogs with their weird sauce, and coleslaw. I take my grandsons now. I show up in my Ironton T-shirt with My Griz hats on, and I talk up Griz football with die-hard Buckeye, Cincinnati, Kentucky and Louisville fans. Tbh if my grandsons play football, I would love for them to play in Texas, but then college ball at UM or Oregon. Screw Ohio State and FTC.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Growing up in small town Montana, I had similar experiences. The whole town shut down when we played for divisional and state championship. Similarly, everybody headed out of town for basketball tournaments. When I was older and lived in larger Montana towns, I was sad to see the communities did not opport the teams like the little towns did. I will always remember my grandmother going to the drug store on an afternoon when our team was playing for a divisional or district title — and she commented that she and the pharmacist were the only people left in town. I would not trade those memories for anything!
 
Thanks for sharing your experiences. Growing up in small town Montana, I had similar experiences. The whole town shut down when we played for divisional and state championship. Similarly, everybody headed out of town for basketball tournaments. When I was older and lived in larger Montana towns, I was sad to see the communities did not opport the teams like the little towns did. I will always remember my grandmother going to the drug store on an afternoon when our team was playing for a divisional or district title — and she commented that she and the pharmacist were the only people left in town. I would not trade those memories for anything!
It was the same for my kids. I went to Billings West, so it wasn't a thing. When the kids were in high school in Hamilton, it was a pretty big deal, and we travelled but didn't do the tailgates. I wish we would have. I plan on at least attempting to do that for my grandkids. I think our grandsons here are going to end up in either Hamilton or Stevensville as soon as their dad finishes medical school. I have every intention of starting a tailgate tradition there. IDC if I have to have a mega grill built. It's gonna happen.
 
It was the same for my kids. I went to Billings West, so it wasn't a thing. When the kids were in high school in Hamilton, it was a pretty big deal, and we travelled but didn't do the tailgates. I wish we would have. I plan on at least attempting to do that for my grandkids. I think our grandsons here are going to end up in either Hamilton or Stevensville as soon as their dad finishes medical school. I have every intention of starting a tailgate tradition there. IDC if I have to have a mega grill built. It's gonna happen.
In Texas my daughter was on her High School dance/pom squad. The dance dads tailgated at DANCE competitions. That's a no-shitter. Full on smoker/BBQ, with ribs, brisket, sausage, burgers, hot dogs, etc....started at about 4:00 in the morning and went all day. Never seen anything like it.
 
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In Texas my daughter was on the school dance/pom squad. The dance dads tailgated at DANCE competitions. That's a no-shitter. Full on smoker/BBQ, with ribs, brisket, sausage, burgers, hot dogs, etc....started at about 4:00 in the morning and went all day. Never seen anything like it.
You wonder why a lot of these guys that go FCS want to transfer to FBS. The gameday environment and facilities at most FCS schools might not be up to the standard at their high school.
 
I think it’s more so that these Texas kids are playing the highest level of high school football. They’re on par with professional level facilities and treatment.

They all think they’re FBS talent.

So when they get passed up they go to the Montanas. The next best thing. As soon as their talent does show and they get offered they move to FBS because that is their expectation all along.
This. I think that's the puzzle piece that most people miss when thinking about the portal. Players arrive via the portal and leave via the portal.
What gets missed is montana/msu/ndsu etc are getting kids they'd never have gotten 10 years ago, out of high school. I don't even necessarily agree it's kids that are getting missed, it's that top P4 and even top G6 programs are no longer willing to develop players, so they get them already developed from the portal.
Meanwhile, we're getting 2,3,4 star guys to come play for 2-3 years that never would have even considered the top FCS schools. And yeah, it sucks when they leave, but would you take, say, what Kyon Loud or your LT gave you for a couple years vs never having had that kind of talent? I know even though they all left, the 3 Texas corners helped put a couple pretty sweet pieces of hardware in the MSU trophy room. I think this is the way of it, for now. Younger, but more talented rosters at this level, with 3-4 old-head montana kids in each class to maintain continuity and help set the culture.
 
You wonder why a lot of these guys that go FCS want to transfer to FBS. The gameday environment and facilities at most FCS schools might not be up to the standard at their high school.
Same with some weak FBS schools, facilities and game day environment. Over past couple years and this year, how many UM transfers left for those reasons?
 
Same with some weak FBS schools, facilities and game day environment. Over past couple years and this year, how many UM transfers left for those reasons?
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And how many Big Sky ( Wortham, Winge), other FCS and NAIA ( Rice, Peck, Calderi) players transfer to UM because of our tradition, WA-GRIZ and GRIZ Nation and our facilities?
 
I think most college coaches might even break it down by position group and say California is the best for QBs and WRs.
I’ve been told that Texas high school Quarterbacks are typically the most advanced in the nation. A lot of offensive trends can be directly traced back to what Texas high schools were doing at the time.

Last I looked Texas had the most nfl QBs as well tho that could have changed since. I would argue that the Texas triangle. Dallas Houston Austin San Antonio has the largest talent pool in the nation. I would bet that area has the most amount of nfl players come out of it as well. Followed closely by South Florida/Miami and Los Angelas.
 
I’ve been told that Texas high school Quarterbacks are typically the most advanced in the nation. A lot of offensive trends can be directly traced back to what Texas high schools were doing at the time.

Last I looked Texas had the most nfl QBs as well tho that could have changed since. I would argue that the Texas triangle. Dallas Houston Austin San Antonio has the largest talent pool in the nation. I would bet that area has the most amount of nfl players come out of it as well. Followed closely by South Florida/Miami and Los Angelas.
Most Texas high schools are running a more advanced offense than the double wing that is ran at many Colorado high schools for sure.
 

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