Recruiting HS Srs vs. Transfers

[NativeGriz]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

 

[KoolMoeDee]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

You make it sound like this class is just transfers. He also signed just as many high school kids as the Griz did.

 

[G-BEARS]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

You make it sound like this class is just transfers. He also signed just as many high school kids as the Griz did.

You make it sound like it's a competition to see who can sign the most players. You do realize teams have a limited number of scholarships don't you?

 

[NativeGriz]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

You make it sound like this class is just transfers. He also signed just as many high school kids as the Griz did.

If the Griz had more scollies, they would have signed more HS kids. Stitt is not a fan of transfers unless he has to fill a gap he might have missed in his earlier recruiting. Quite frankly, I don't think it has anything to do with recruiting at MSU. They have had great classes and still the recent results are just above average and even worse when it comes to big games. I just don't see that changing even with a good group of transfers.

 

[Ursa Major]

Trust me, I'm not anti-drop down in the slightest. We've had pretty good success with FBS transfers. Okay, except for Kessman and his car.

+1

Fuck you Nissan!

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

You completely missed the reference...........

I am glad you can admit you know less than certain people, I am not capable of lying to myself like that.

 

[NativeGriz]

Drop downs in particular are like opening a box of Crackerjacks: you never know what you are going to get, and you may find you don't like it very much. Craig Ochs is the most successful drop down I can think of, and then there are plenty who didn't work out. A lot of times there is a good reason that a player had problems in FBS, and you don't find out until he is on your roster (and you're trying to get him bailed out).

Too bad we did not have Ochs another year. I loved watch him direct an offense. Recently the GRIZ have done well with transfers with Ellis Henderson, Jamal Jones, and Jamal Jones. Unfortunately there have been quite a few transfers that never panned out. We all know the infamous names, I for one don't want to mention their names, or this will be another thread ruined regarding a transfer who does not deserve the recognition here.

Before the signing day, I thought the GRIZ might have to find transfers for DT, OL, and maybe CB to fill voids. I am glad recruiting turned out as it did and the necessity of adding transfers has diminished.

I agree on Ochs. I feel we wasted his first year at MT. Hauck would not let him use the entire play book. Ochs was given 4-5 plays he would be allowed to audible into, which was crazy for a kid as smart as Ochs. In preparation for the playoff game against WIU, Ochs noted weaknesses in their D and felt he could really expose them with a 2 min offense. WIU had a strong run D and Hauck, not Phen, insisted on establishing the run first. Didn't happen. Still we would have won that game if not for the cheap shot on Ochs after he scored about3 yards into the endzone, knocking him out of the game just before halftime. I am a Hauck fan, but that year drove me crazy in how he used Ochs.

 

[George Ferguson]

And yet Ochs JUMPED at the chance to come back and be a G/A for Bobby for next to nothing. LOL

 

[NikeGrizz]

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[wbtfg]

Didn't read this entire thread, but msu had no choice but to bring in transfers on defense as the cupboards were mostly bare. Ash had some recruits who didn't pan out, some with season/career ending injuries, and some who aren't developing as expected. Ash generally sticks to hs kids, but he's feeling the pressure to make a playoff run, and this year's defense was pretty terrible with not a lot of up and coming talent.

 

[NativeGriz]

And yet Ochs JUMPED at the chance to come back and be a G/A for Bobby for next to nothing. LOL

He was trying to decide if coaching was for him-ultimately not. I was able to get to know Craig fairly well. He visited Flathead, we back packed in Glacier, skied at Big MTN and I was able to catch one of his games in Frankfurt while he was with NFL Europe-he had a fabulous game, but unfortunately injured the next week or he would have been on Buffalo's roster. He was a class act about how he handled everything, but he was frustrated with the limited playbook the first year.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Didn't read this entire thread, but msu had no choice but to bring in transfers on defense as the cupboards were mostly bare. Ash had some recruits who didn't pan out, some with season/career ending injuries, and some who aren't developing as expected. Ash generally sticks to hs kids, but he's feeling the pressure to make a playoff run, and this year's defense was pretty terrible with not a lot of up and coming talent.

Ah, I bet you long for the days when the backups were better than the starters....

 

[George Ferguson]

So Native, are you trying to say Craig didn't like Hauck? Cause he sure gives a completely different impression in an article written by a San Diego newspaper a few years back.

 

[PlayerRep]

I like what Coach Stitt said in Kalispell about transfers. He doesn’t go after them for several reasons including he did not feel it was always fair to bring in a transfer to take away playing time from a kid that has worked his butt off and has been a part of the system 4-5 years. Stitt wants to recruit MT HS kids first because most grew up Griz and they already understand in many ways what it will mean to be a Montana Grizzly. If not MT kids he wants HS kids he can teach from day one to understand what it means to be a Griz which leads to team bonding/chemistry. They will go to battle each and every play for their teammates and not for themselves.

I also feel it is a reflection on your past recruiting. Which brings me to the cats. Having reviewed the last 5-6 cat classes and listening to cat fans, they have totally out recruited the Griz and I admit they have looked really good on paper. Yet this year, they have to bring in 9 transfers. If they have had these great recruiting classes why did they need 9 transfers?

Seriously?

I thought you were better than that..........................

AG1, once AGAIN, you are WRONG. I am not better than that. The difference between you and me is, I realize my lack of knowledge of college FB.

I also realize you need to bring in a few transfers every year. Colter Nuanez made a good point: if you aren't out-recruiting the current talent on your team every year, you should be fired. So I do get that, but 9 transfers is a lot. I feel you are taking some chances. For example this Clark kid sounds like an absolute stud, but first off it sounds like his motivation is to play for himself and two if he is having trouble with an education at a community college, how is he going to do at a good school like MSU. Its not like he is going to "Non-qualifier" EWU. He will have to earn his grade.

You completely missed the reference...........

I am glad you can admit you know less than certain people, I am not capable of lying to myself like that.

Alpha, please get the F out of here. Native knows what he is talking about on this one. You don't. Don't be a dumbass.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't like participation ribbons. If a transfer betters your program, bring them in. It's about winning.

I agree with this. Bobby Alt comes toind immediately as a player we needed. KVA, Kose are both drop downs.....

 

[NativeGriz]

So Native, are you trying to say Craig didn't like Hauck? Cause he sure gives a completely different impression in an article written by a San Diego newspaper a few years back.

Absolutely not. Craig thought the world of Coach Hauck. So did/do I. He was frustrated with not being able to run the entire offense when he saw the need to audible. That doesn't take anything away from his overall respect for Coach Hauck. I assume we have all had a boss we respected, but we didn't always agree with everything. Hauck's overall record speaks for itself. It is kind of like Pete Carol not going Beast Mode on 2nd down at 1 yrd line
. I still respect the heck out of Carol, but I sure do wish he had not thrown the ball to the middle of the field.