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Recruit on Campus
- Thread starter Mslacat
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Hey Growler, I have spoken to one of his coaches that I have had some business dealings with in the past. Keron has his reasons for considering coming this way. I was told that he is very mature for his age probably from growing up in a farily rough part of the Balitmore area. He is still developing.
You are a very good business man I will give you that. We have had business dealings in the past. I also have built very successful businesses, some I have sold others I continue to have a hand in. With all that you know and all that you have done, it makes little sense to get involve in the arguements on this board. Also, money is not a very accurate way to measure the value of the person. You have a lot to contribute when you keep it on a higher level. The representation on here is just a fraction of griz nation. Some have knowledge some do not...and that is alright.
You are a very good business man I will give you that. We have had business dealings in the past. I also have built very successful businesses, some I have sold others I continue to have a hand in. With all that you know and all that you have done, it makes little sense to get involve in the arguements on this board. Also, money is not a very accurate way to measure the value of the person. You have a lot to contribute when you keep it on a higher level. The representation on here is just a fraction of griz nation. Some have knowledge some do not...and that is alright.
mtgrizrule
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EGRIZZERS do not care who does what in their lifetimes!!!!!!!!!!!
Back on track, Welcome aboard Keron.
Don't mind a few posters here. There are a few here that will not be happy, no matter what the GRIZ or an athlete accomplish. I guess they balance the board out.
Back on track, Welcome aboard Keron.
Don't mind a few posters here. There are a few here that will not be happy, no matter what the GRIZ or an athlete accomplish. I guess they balance the board out.
WaGriz4life
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Mslacat said:You guys are FUNNY!! :argue:
He may not be a good recruit be cause he may or may not be a particular type of scorer!
The kid is a 20+ point a night scorer for a team that would wipe the floor with any Montana team that we could muster. This year he has played in a 17 team prep school a league that will put over dozen athletes in D-1 programs and was named 2nd team all conference. He is an athletic, and has a rep as a hard nose leader on the court. He is a good student and a hard worker off the court, but ...... you don't like his shot. I would say Tinkle has had a pretty good track record as of late in judging high school players so you might put your trust in him.
Besides, I think you better get used to him being around Missoula
Wooooooo!!!! Let's Go!!! This kid is gonna be such a huge upgrade over VA. I hope he does actually sign that pic gets me jacked up.
Great pickup by Tinks if he does become a Griz! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I have met rich guys that you would never know had a dime
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I have met poor men that are richer then the rich man...
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I have met poor men that are richer then the rich man...
To try and get this thread back on track, let me explain my initial thoughts.
When I first watched the video the thing that stuck with me was his shot release, it seems to start in front of his face, and if not in front, then right of to the side. Either way it is low and seems a touch slow so I thought he might struggle getting it off against the longer and more athletic kids he will see at the next level. That being said, he is young and could make the change if needed and as it was brought up earlier, in college you will get plenty of "open" looks, so if it is a little slow he would still be able to get some off.
Second, any enthusiasm I had for how well he moved was quickly tempered when I watched the video someone posted of the kid the cats just signed (Bigelow, I think it was) That kid looked much quicker and handled the ball much better it appeared. Of couse, highlight videos can be misleading too.
And now the ..but, I do love the job Tinkle has done and I fully admit I am just a hack and there is a reason I am not a scout for the team. So, I will put my trust in Tinks and would say welcome to Keron, and wish him the best.
When I first watched the video the thing that stuck with me was his shot release, it seems to start in front of his face, and if not in front, then right of to the side. Either way it is low and seems a touch slow so I thought he might struggle getting it off against the longer and more athletic kids he will see at the next level. That being said, he is young and could make the change if needed and as it was brought up earlier, in college you will get plenty of "open" looks, so if it is a little slow he would still be able to get some off.
Second, any enthusiasm I had for how well he moved was quickly tempered when I watched the video someone posted of the kid the cats just signed (Bigelow, I think it was) That kid looked much quicker and handled the ball much better it appeared. Of couse, highlight videos can be misleading too.
And now the ..but, I do love the job Tinkle has done and I fully admit I am just a hack and there is a reason I am not a scout for the team. So, I will put my trust in Tinks and would say welcome to Keron, and wish him the best.
HighLineGRIZ
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It's hard to tell how good he is by only watching a short highlight tape, but from what I saw he looks like a good pickup. He is definitely smooth and has good control of the ball. He also shows some good speed and ability to push the ball up the floor. I like his ability to create space on the perimeter and he looks like he has a decent first step. He doesn't get much elevation on his jump shot and his release is a little slow, but that can be improved. Fridette was the best scorer in the country and didn't get much elevation on his jumper either, but he was crafty and had very good ball control. Tinkle's staff seems to like pg and sg who can create, defend the wing, are opportunistic defenders, and who can spread the floor. Seems like this kid might be able to fill that role. Hard to tell from a short video though.
HighLineGRIZ said:
I don't mean to be a smart-arse, and you obviously have your own opinions about this kid, but I just don't see the ability to "create on the perimeter", nor great ball-handling ability. I see this kid as a two-guard, whose main skills are shooting the spot-up three. He shoots a set shot, and not a jump shot from three in these videos, and, as another poster observed, starts his shot from his face, which is a release point that is too low to get his shot off with any defensive pressure.
Maybe his release can be corrected. He seems to very very accurate from 3 when he has the time. In college however, one rarely has that much time to get off an uncontested 3 (ask Selvig). As I said before, there is no way this kid gets out of the East without one of the big boys offering him if he has all of the desirable skills. With that said, he may be a great player for the Griz, and I look forward to watching him play if he signs. I just want to keep the expectations reasonable.
Growler1 said:
This kid did OK with a low release point in HS and college. Girl? WCC POY, but maybe not good enough for the Big Sky with that release I guess.
http://www.strimoo.com/video/8577724/DEREK-RAIVIO-MySpaceVideos.html
Growler1 said:
You really don't understand the game, do you? Few players, even in the NBA, shoot the 3-pointer by starting the shot above the head. Guards certainly don't shoot that way. Larry Bird used to shoot that way, but he was closer to shooting a set shot.
See this video on 3-pt shooting: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-shoot-three-pointers-in-basketball" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ilovethecats
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CDAGRIZ said:
this guy has managed a decent career as well....despite an unusual release....
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I spent a lot of time talking with scouts in baseball. There is so much conversation "good bodied" vs. "Bad bodied" players. Moreover there is a significant amount of 'projectability' in scouting baseball players. The same thing goes with basketball players.
The basic reason we ended up with Weisner last year is that many colleges didn't think he would be a true 3 (because of his lack of quickness) and lacked the size to play inside. But he has range and a shot that is going to be huge for us the next two years. He'll be the x-factor next year. I talked to a few people that have been around Walla Walla and said he was the best basketball player in that conference last yaer but was overshadowed by the point guard. Most said to me that he probably should have been a low end Pac-10 kid for sure because of his ability to stretch defenses with his size. I see the same type of kid in Keron.
We at the UofM have made a killing on basketball players that didn't project well at the college level, Mike Warhank, Kevin Criswell to name a few. Warhank was said to be to slow and Criswell was a mix of a lot of other things. On top of that we have ended up with players that didn't project too well at the college outside of Montana over the past decade. Remember that 6-9 post player that used Nick Fazekas? He didn't fit the traditional quality of a post player. If a coach believes that a player can bring it, regardless of lack of physical skills or some other draw back, I have a tendency to believe coach Tinkle and his staff. I believe at this point he has earned that.
In the end, the kid isn't perfect. I understand the issues with his shot, but in the long run if it was perfect and he had vertical on his jump shot, not sure that we end up with the kid.
The basic reason we ended up with Weisner last year is that many colleges didn't think he would be a true 3 (because of his lack of quickness) and lacked the size to play inside. But he has range and a shot that is going to be huge for us the next two years. He'll be the x-factor next year. I talked to a few people that have been around Walla Walla and said he was the best basketball player in that conference last yaer but was overshadowed by the point guard. Most said to me that he probably should have been a low end Pac-10 kid for sure because of his ability to stretch defenses with his size. I see the same type of kid in Keron.
We at the UofM have made a killing on basketball players that didn't project well at the college level, Mike Warhank, Kevin Criswell to name a few. Warhank was said to be to slow and Criswell was a mix of a lot of other things. On top of that we have ended up with players that didn't project too well at the college outside of Montana over the past decade. Remember that 6-9 post player that used Nick Fazekas? He didn't fit the traditional quality of a post player. If a coach believes that a player can bring it, regardless of lack of physical skills or some other draw back, I have a tendency to believe coach Tinkle and his staff. I believe at this point he has earned that.
In the end, the kid isn't perfect. I understand the issues with his shot, but in the long run if it was perfect and he had vertical on his jump shot, not sure that we end up with the kid.
mtgrizrule
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Finding a more effective jump shot is just a matter of repetitions, doing it right over and over. His shot will improve, and remain effective. I do not question the potential one bit. If he puts in the time, with a good attitude, he will be just fine. Tinkle is solid finding players with good upside, potential , and the attitude to get the most out of their talent. I have no doubts, in time this kid will show us he belongs.
As for a shot not looking good, who remembers Jamal Wilkes? Arguably the ugliest looking perimeter shot in NBA history, but some real nice string music!!! :thumb:
As for a shot not looking good, who remembers Jamal Wilkes? Arguably the ugliest looking perimeter shot in NBA history, but some real nice string music!!! :thumb:
Grizfan-24 said:
Your last comment was my point. This kid may be a good get for the Griz. But, he has some weaknesses which me and a couple others have pointed out. I hope that he improves and becomes ALL-Conference. I just can't stand fans trying to make every kid Tinkle recruits that next coming of Chris Paul. If he were that good, he would never get past the big programs.
ilovethecats said:
Dude, don't try to compare apples to oranges. Shawn Marion is one of my favorite players. But, his 3-point shot is strictly a set shot, and he can never get it off unless wide open. Marion is also a great defender, a great rebounder, and is always in the TOP 10 in the NBA in steals. His values is NOT his scoring ability, as most of his points are put-backs and junk in the lane.
