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Really, Is UM that hard.......
- Thread starter Sweetwyne
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Higher education is entirely what you make of it. If you think any school is going to give you everything you need to learn by going to class 50 minutes a day 3 days a week you are wrong. There are classes that you will be able to pass by doing that but you don't learn anything and that becomes very evident when you interview for jobs. Most will only learn whatever they have to. That isn't the fault of the University system. I graduated from the University of Montana and have since received graduate credits from Indiana University in Bloomington and the University of Colorado in Boulder. Both are very well respected academically (take as you wish) and demanded no more to pass than the 400-500 level classes I took in Missoula.
On a second note. A University education is not for everyone but our society has decided that in order to be accepted and "better yourself" you need to pursue higher education. The federal government has facilitated this by making student loans readily available (look at 6 year grad rates for freshman classes). As for athletes, I knew a number who took advantage of a free education as well as some who wouldn't have been there if not for the reason of playing their sport. It is a difficult situation for Universities to be in.
On a second note. A University education is not for everyone but our society has decided that in order to be accepted and "better yourself" you need to pursue higher education. The federal government has facilitated this by making student loans readily available (look at 6 year grad rates for freshman classes). As for athletes, I knew a number who took advantage of a free education as well as some who wouldn't have been there if not for the reason of playing their sport. It is a difficult situation for Universities to be in.
Have a good friend (bobcat) who married a girl who went to Stanford. She stated everyone get's a B unless you really apply yourself and than you can earn a A. Most schools have no desire to weed out students. They all need the $$$$.
UM is no easy walk in the park......I treated it like high school and I learned a lesson fast.....
puzzledinmt
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This is for the whatever its worth department, but I know of some very talented and successful graduates from MSU's architectural school.
I also know of at least one graduate of UM's law school who went on to lead the Montana Banking community on several fronts, serving on the State Board of Investments, but who also disgraced himself by embezzling funds from his own bank, being convicted and serving jail time in a Federal Prison - now sells used cars in Seattle!
My only message here is that it takes all kinds to make this world and the real value of an education is what you put into it and what you learn from it!
It isn't what school you went to!
I also know of at least one graduate of UM's law school who went on to lead the Montana Banking community on several fronts, serving on the State Board of Investments, but who also disgraced himself by embezzling funds from his own bank, being convicted and serving jail time in a Federal Prison - now sells used cars in Seattle!
My only message here is that it takes all kinds to make this world and the real value of an education is what you put into it and what you learn from it!
It isn't what school you went to!
I have family who went to MSU and I wont crack them on their schooling......if you want to be an engineer then go there. Montana Tech is great for that too
BozoneCat said:
I'm obviously way behind on reading the threads on this board, and I apologize for resurrecting a thread from six weeks ago. However, this comment merited a response.
"teaching assistants at the Ivy League schools..." that's spoken like someone who has absolutely no connection to any Ivy League school, Bozone.
I can't claim to know everything about all of the Ivys, and for that matter, you can't talk about "the Ivys" like they're all the same. But having said that, one of the hallmarks of many of the Ivy League schools is that they do not award many graduate degrees -- thus, they have very few graduate students, and therefore very few teaching assistants. At Dartmouth (the only Ivy at which I have any first hand experience), there are *no* undergraduate courses taught by teaching assistants.
Again, I don't claim to know how every Ivy is run, but based on discussions with my own circle of friends (which includes graduates of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Columbia, and Cornell -- when you add Dartmouth, that's every Ivy except for Penn, for anyone who's keeping track), the general rule is *not* that a lot of courses are taught by TAs. If it makes you feel better about your MSU (or UM) education to bash the elite schools by claiming (rightly or wrongly) that all of their classes are taught by TAs, then by all means, feel free to do so. I'm just here to tell you that you're wrong.
Later,
--GL
gotgame -- I actually attended UM for both UG and my JD, and then got an advanced law degree at NYU.
I should probably clarify my earlier post; I did not attend Dartmouth -- I briefly considered their B-school after I finished undergrad, but decided I wanted to go to law school instead. I only mentioned Dartmouth specifically because I remember one of their selling points being that no course there is taught by anyone other than a full professor, and my understanding is that the same is true at most (or all) of the Ivies.
I also apologize that my last post was as obnoxious as it was -- I wrote it at 12:30 am on Super Bowl Sunday, so I'll let you all do the math. The only point I wanted to convey was that I think people have a natural tendency to bash the elite schools with claims like "all the courses are taught by adjuncts and TAs, etc." when those things simply are not true. What is wrong with just believing that we got a good education, without feeling the need to bash the top schools? NYU has a top 5 law school, and my courses there were certainly not taught by assistants.
I should probably clarify my earlier post; I did not attend Dartmouth -- I briefly considered their B-school after I finished undergrad, but decided I wanted to go to law school instead. I only mentioned Dartmouth specifically because I remember one of their selling points being that no course there is taught by anyone other than a full professor, and my understanding is that the same is true at most (or all) of the Ivies.
I also apologize that my last post was as obnoxious as it was -- I wrote it at 12:30 am on Super Bowl Sunday, so I'll let you all do the math. The only point I wanted to convey was that I think people have a natural tendency to bash the elite schools with claims like "all the courses are taught by adjuncts and TAs, etc." when those things simply are not true. What is wrong with just believing that we got a good education, without feeling the need to bash the top schools? NYU has a top 5 law school, and my courses there were certainly not taught by assistants.
