Reality

[Growler1]

Winning on the road is tough for anybody, Weber won by 3 at Sacramento last night, and EWU is a much better team than Sac, road wins dont come easy. And when your the top team in the conf, other teams bring thier A-game to play you. But Montana and Weber dont have a whole lot of experience. Weber has 2 seniors and Montana has 1, young teams are bound to slip up once and a while.

I mean the arena isnt everything, Look at the University of Utah. They have a 15,000 seat arena yet for the last 3-4 years really havent been good.

I think the coach is everything, look at football, Weber State since getting McBride has actually been a team to reckon with, McBride has been able to bring in the recruits that Weber would never get before, if a coach is able to bring in the recruits (the good ones) to come play for your school, and buy into your system, your going to be good, Rahe has done this at Weber, and Tinkle is doing this at Montana.

Utah may have a 15,000 seat area, but so do the schools they compete against in conference. That's the big difference between that and the Big Sky, where Weber and Montana are the only two schools that have real arenas. The rest are basically high school arenas. NAU plays in the Walk-up Dome in front of 500-600 fans! So, Montana and Weber SHOULD dominate recruiting, right? As you pointed out, however, Montana has not hosted the conference tournament in 11 seasons. How can this happen??? Just sayin'!

 

[Growler1]

I think it's funny that someone would suggest that teams with the best facilities should have the best teams, and the only explanation for not having the best team is bad recruiting or bad coaching. I've seen some dumb posts over the years, but that one has to be up there with the dumbest ones. What about all the other factors? Strength and reputation of program, admissions standards, injuries, kids leaving or flunking out, the unexpected development of some players, the cohesiveness of the team, location, weather, luck, etc.? In basketball, 1 or 2 great players can make a huge difference, and it frequently can't be predicted who will become a great player. Even teams with nice facilities and great coaches don't win the conference every year.

If you want to read dumb posts, just go back and look at any of yours. :thumb:

Your typical spin is nauseating. Montana has HUGE recruiting advantages in football, against all other Big Sky teams, and in basketball against all others except Weber. They should be in the TOP 2 in the league in BB every season, but are not. Your excuses are as lame as your legal practice.

 

[Growler1]

I'd like to add my views to the Basketball picture..Tinkle has shown himself to be a great recruiter on a personal level, and we are all thankful for that.. After that we have trouble .. Our defense has been better than our offense, and I think we can thank coach Evans for that..Consequently a thanks is in order for Tinkle to have understood he needed a strong support coach. Evans isn't an untried quantity, and (I'm suprised he's even here ) I believe he's done very well.. Now, the same thing needs to happen on the offensive end..Tinkle has come a ways in directing the offense, but not as fast as his recruited talent deserves, and I truly don't think his in game analysis is where it should be...Will it ever be??? Perhaps enough to keep him in place because of his recruiting skills, but an offensive expert would be an ideal situation ..I remember back in the Montgomery vs McCarthy era, if the game got close at the end, Weber/McCarthy would outcoach Montgomery...Some have it, and some don't.

I agree with your assessment. I do not think Tinkle is a great game-time coach, especially at making adjustments.

 

[Growler1]

GB1 is right, Growler1 aka shorty you still wearin shoe lifts. steve dilly pickle you really don't know what you're talking about......

OK, now I've heard that Growler is short and GB1 is a fat. Is this the truth? One caused by inter-generational malnutrition, and the other caused by intra-generational overeating. Opposites attract?

I didn't know shortness was caused by inter-generational malnutrition. Growler1s' Great Grandpa went hungry alot?

I don't know where Jizzpacker gets this "short" BS about me. I am 5'10". If that is short, then 60% of the posters on this board are short. But Jizzpacker is fat, indeed. And ugly too! He is so ugly that he has to sneak-up on a glass to get a drink.

 

[Growler1]

The reality is we have one major weakness which has taken away this team's swagger and confidence. Offensively, it is Qvale against 5. Cherry is tentative to penetrate in fear of not further hurting an ankle. Teams are sticking with Steward better off the ball. Selvig is scared as hell to let the ball go. They are so frustrated about the perimeter shooting, they are not even squaring up ready to shoot it when they receive it.

I only recall one player stepping to the ball, squaring up to shoot against EWU, that player was Jamar. I can tell rest of them, do not even want to shoot. If I can stomach it, maybe I should rewatch the LBSU and EWU games on dvr.

For once, I agree with you. The Griz do not shoot with confidence. Shooting the BB, much like golf, is 90% mental. Great shooters think they will make every shot they take. The Griz shooters obviously do not.

 

[Growler1]

I find it amusing that the Weber fans have to come on our board to put Growler back in his place regarding our team. Thanks, Wildcats.

I find it amusing that a poster like you, who posts so much, has so little to contribute....

 

[Growler1]

our problem this year is, we don't have any pure shooters. just prayer shooters. neither adams nor wood filled that slot. opponents pay no penalty for triple-teaming qvale.

but i remain an avid tinkle fan. the past four years, he's developed as a coach as much as qvale has as a player. the griz gave me some great thrills v. new mexico at san jose last spring, then euphoria at pauley. to say we're not now a power in the big sky is to set yourself off as a windy old gasbag.

here's the "reality:" can we keep tinkle?

The results don't lie, Ci-tay. You've been eatin' too many rruits and nuts in La La Land. Too few conference championships for Tinks.

 

[Growler1]

GB1 is right, Growler1 aka shorty you still wearin shoe lifts. steve dilly pickle you really don't know what you're talking about......

WSUnPurple has a man-crush on Jizzpacker1. He has a penchant for the fat ones. He like to roll 'em in flour and search for the wet spot.....

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

I find it amusing that the Weber fans have to come on our board to put Growler back in his place regarding our team. Thanks, Wildcats.

I find it amusing that a poster like you, who posts so much, has so little to contribute....

This is funny........It is starting to become a reality that Growler is becoming the David 2 of the basketball board. Her posts dont really make sense, She is in love with coaches of the past (20 + years ago in this case), and is able to highjack her own thread by falling for all insults. :lol: :clap:

Your post's are very routine, predictable and boring. The only reason I read them is to watch other poster laugh at your expense.

Don't say that I high jacked or didn't contribute to your thread........you did it yourself by biting on insults, so its an open game.

Later D2's brother....

 

[Growler1]

I find it amusing that the Weber fans have to come on our board to put Growler back in his place regarding our team. Thanks, Wildcats.

I find it amusing that a poster like you, who posts so much, has so little to contribute....

This is funny........It is starting to become a reality that Growler is becoming the David 2 of the basketball board. Her posts dont really make sense, She is in love with coaches of the past (20 + years ago in this case), and is able to highjack her own thread by falling for all insults. :lol: :clap:

Your post's are very routine, predictable and boring. The only reason I read them is to watch other poster laugh at your expense.

Don't say that I high jacked or didn't contribute to your thread........you did it yourself by biting on insults, so its an open game.

Later D2's brother....

I am here to provide cheap thrills for people like you who need them. :thumb:

 

[Growler1]

If that theory holds then Alabama, USC, Oregon and other schools should dominate. I agree that substandard facilities can sway recruits but winning is the biggest selling point.

So, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? If we win, like we should with the substantial recruiting advantage we enjoy, we should be able to recruit, right? Your statement does not hold water. Let me ask you this, if you were a kid being recruited by EWU, NAU, and Montana, and took visits to all three schools, would you want to play in a cracker box in front of 1000 fans, a converted dome in front of 500 fans, or in a real IA caliber field house with 4000-5000 fans?

 

[WILDCATFAN]

If that theory holds then Alabama, USC, Oregon and other schools should dominate. I agree that substandard facilities can sway recruits but winning is the biggest selling point.

So, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? If we win, like we should with the substantial recruiting advantage we enjoy, we should be able to recruit, right? Your statement does not hold water. Let me ask you this, if you were a kid being recruited by EWU, NAU, and Montana, and took visits to all three schools, would you want to play in a cracker box in front of 1000 fans, a converted dome in front of 500 fans, or in a real IA caliber field house with 4000-5000 fans?

Its not always the stadium, its also the coaches and why do you think so many FBS players transfer down to FCS schools?

Its becuase they want to start and have that be thier team instead of riding the bench at the FBS school.

Hoops Players look at that to, Lets say a player is getting recruited by both Weber and UNC, you would think that the player would take Weber State in a heartbeat, but then he stops and considers whether or not he would start or be a rotational player, If he wouldnt start at Weber but would at UNC do you think he would still choose Weber?

If was about the stadium, teams like Sac, PSU and UNC would never get any good players. But its not

 

[CDAGRIZ]

if you were a kid being recruited by EWU, NAU, and Montana, and took visits to all three schools, would you want to play in a cracker box in front of 1000 fans, a converted dome in front of 500 fans, or in a real IA caliber field house with 4000-5000 fans?

Eighteen-year-old: Which one has the hottest chicks, again? Ok, yeah, I'll go to that one.

 

[dbackjon]

If that theory holds then Alabama, USC, Oregon and other schools should dominate. I agree that substandard facilities can sway recruits but winning is the biggest selling point.

So, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? If we win, like we should with the substantial recruiting advantage we enjoy, we should be able to recruit, right? Your statement does not hold water. Let me ask you this, if you were a kid being recruited by EWU, NAU, and Montana, and took visits to all three schools, would you want to play in a cracker box in front of 1000 fans, a converted dome in front of 500 fans, or in a real IA caliber field house with 4000-5000 fans?

And say that kid is from Southern California - can play a 5 hour drive from home, or a five plus hour flight from home.

And 4000-5000 is not "IA" caliber. Upper mid-major, yes.

Some of your recruiting advantage you think you have, especially for basketball, is actually a huge disadvantage in getting urban kids.

 

[Grizbacker1]

our problem this year is, we don't have any pure shooters. just prayer shooters. neither adams nor wood filled that slot. opponents pay no penalty for triple-teaming qvale.

but i remain an avid tinkle fan. the past four years, he's developed as a coach as much as qvale has as a player. the griz gave me some great thrills v. new mexico at san jose last spring, then euphoria at pauley. to say we're not now a power in the big sky is to set yourself off as a windy old gasbag.

here's the "reality:" can we keep tinkle?

The results don't lie, Ci-tay. You've been eatin' too many rruits and nuts in La La Land. Too few conference championships for Tinks.

List all the BSC Titles Monty won! OH yeah, you can't! Now, go put on your lifts and see if you can see outside your window SHORTY. Steve Dill, the ultimate tool. :jack:

 

[GoBears1313]

If that theory holds then Alabama, USC, Oregon and other schools should dominate. I agree that substandard facilities can sway recruits but winning is the biggest selling point.

So, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? If we win, like we should with the substantial recruiting advantage we enjoy, we should be able to recruit, right? Your statement does not hold water. Let me ask you this, if you were a kid being recruited by EWU, NAU, and Montana, and took visits to all three schools, would you want to play in a cracker box in front of 1000 fans, a converted dome in front of 500 fans, or in a real IA caliber field house with 4000-5000 fans?

Its not always the stadium, its also the coaches and why do you think so many FBS players transfer down to FCS schools?

Its becuase they want to start and have that be thier team instead of riding the bench at the FBS school.

Hoops Players look at that to, Lets say a player is getting recruited by both Weber and UNC, you would think that the player would take Weber State in a heartbeat, but then he stops and considers whether or not he would start or be a rotational player, If he wouldnt start at Weber but would at UNC do you think he would still choose Weber?

From an outsiders perspective: I don't believe its all about the arena.Its also about the chance to play the Illinois, the Arizona's, the chance to play tournaments in Hawaii, the chance to win a conference championship, to go to the big show and maybe even to get a good education or play in front of family. NC may not have the elite arena like some of you but their training facilities and locker rooms rival any of you if not better. We also have 3 or 4 kids on the roster that were recruited by Weber. Good luck in the tournament. And with all due respect,Montana has set the standard and we all want to build our programs to rival Montanas


If was about the stadium, teams like Sac, PSU and UNC would never get any good players. But its not

 

[CDAGRIZ]

GB1 is right, Growler1 aka shorty you still wearin shoe lifts. steve dilly pickle you really don't know what you're talking about......

OK, now I've heard that Growler is short and GB1 is a fat. Is this the truth? One caused by inter-generational malnutrition, and the other caused by intra-generational overeating. Opposites attract?

I didn't know shortness was caused by inter-generational malnutrition. Growler1s' Great Grandpa went hungry alot?

I don't know where Jizzpacker gets this "short" BS about me. I am 5'10". If that is short, then 60% of the posters on this board are short. But Jizzpacker is fat, indeed. And ugly too! He is so ugly that he has to sneak-up on a glass to get a drink.

That is just not how I would have pictured GB1. A fat? Really? How do you even know this? I'm still skeptical.