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PlayerRep said:
I too like Kyle Sample and his writing. He does get confidential information from coaches, especially in a certain sport, that he keeps confidential and doesn't print until it's okay to make it public. He also gets confidential info from other people that he doesn't print, or print before it is okay to print it. I believe he keeps sources confidential and can be trusted.
There's always some level of "background" in reporting that a source will offer to assist in getting the story right (or wrong depending on the motive), and "confidential" is part of that, such as when players are cut, but the coach hasn't gotten to talk to them yet, and there can be hell to pay for all concerned when that gets breached. Many stories have "release" dates for all sorts of reasons and a journalist desiring to remain in good standing with his sources honors them.

Suggesting that UM coaches intentionally spread "dirt" or "very private information" has a different meaning entirely to me, and that is a different conversation from the notion of merely having "insider" information of game play or coach strategy or team dynamics.

I don't think its appropriate if they do "spread dirt" or "very private" information about individuals, but I also don't think that they do. I could be wrong on the point, but I would be disappointed if I was. I think our staff is just better than that. I do think the claim that they do is inappropriate.
 
UMGriz75 said:
PlayerRep said:
I too like Kyle Sample and his writing. He does get confidential information from coaches, especially in a certain sport, that he keeps confidential and doesn't print until it's okay to make it public. He also gets confidential info from other people that he doesn't print, or print before it is okay to print it. I believe he keeps sources confidential and can be trusted.
There's always some level of "background" in reporting that a source will offer to assist in getting the story right (or wrong depending on the motive), and "confidential" is part of that, such as when players are cut, but the coach hasn't gotten to talk to them yet, and there can be hell to pay for all concerned when that gets breached. Many stories have "release" dates for all sorts of reasons and a journalist desiring to remain in good standing with his sources honors them.

Suggesting that UM coaches intentionally spread "dirt" or "very private information" has a different meaning entirely to me, and that is a different conversation from the notion of merely having "insider" information of game play or coach strategy or team dynamics.

I don't think its appropriate if they do, but I also don't think that they do. I could be wrong on the point, but I would be disappointed if I was. I think our staff is just better than that. I do think the claim that they do is inappropriate.

I don't recall who used the term "dirt", but I don't think it was Kyle. Probably a poor choice of words. Doubt that any UM coaches spread anything close to dirt about their team.
 
PlayerRep said:
UMGriz75 said:
PlayerRep said:
I too like Kyle Sample and his writing. He does get confidential information from coaches, especially in a certain sport, that he keeps confidential and doesn't print until it's okay to make it public. He also gets confidential info from other people that he doesn't print, or print before it is okay to print it. I believe he keeps sources confidential and can be trusted.
There's always some level of "background" in reporting that a source will offer to assist in getting the story right (or wrong depending on the motive), and "confidential" is part of that, such as when players are cut, but the coach hasn't gotten to talk to them yet, and there can be hell to pay for all concerned when that gets breached. Many stories have "release" dates for all sorts of reasons and a journalist desiring to remain in good standing with his sources honors them.

Suggesting that UM coaches intentionally spread "dirt" or "very private information" has a different meaning entirely to me, and that is a different conversation from the notion of merely having "insider" information of game play or coach strategy or team dynamics.

I don't think its appropriate if they do, but I also don't think that they do. I could be wrong on the point, but I would be disappointed if I was. I think our staff is just better than that. I do think the claim that they do is inappropriate.

I don't recall who used the term "dirt", but I don't think it was Kyle. Probably a poor choice of words. Doubt that any UM coaches spread anything close to dirt about their team.

I'd love to have a private conversation with Belichick, he'd probably just say "We're on to Cincinnati over and over"
 
Bastard (Ben Folds)

The old bastard left his ties and his suit
A brown box, mothballs and bowling shoes
and his opinion so you'd never have to choose
Pretty soon, you'll be an old bastard too
You get smaller as the world gets big
The more you know you know you don't know shit
"The Whiz Man" will never fit you like "The Whiz Kid" did

So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything
So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything

Close your eyes close your ears young man
You've seen and heard all an old man can
Spread the facts on the floor like a fan
throw away the ones that make you feel bad

Kids today gettin' old too fast
they can't wait to grow up so they can kiss some ass
They get nostalgic about the last ten years
before the last ten years have passed

So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything
So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything

Tears land on a hand on the chest
The old bastard had a paradigm arrest

He got smaller as the world got big
The more he knew he knew he didn't know shit
"The Whiz Man" never fit him like "The Whiz Kid" did

So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything
So why you gotta act like you know when you don't know?
It's OK if you don't know everything
 
My Humps (Black Eyed Peas)

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside your trunk

I'ma get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my lovely little lumps

Check it out

I drive these brothers crazy
I do it on the daily
They treat me really nicely
They buy me all these ice
Dolce and Gabbana
Fendi and Madonna
Caring they be sharin'
All their money got me wearing fly
Whether I ain't askin'
They say they love mah ass in
Seven jeans
True religion
I say no
But they keep givin'
So I keep on takin'
And no I ain't takin'
We can keep on datin'
Now keep on demonstratin'

My love my love my love my love
You love my lady lumps
My hump my hump my hump
My humps they got you

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that ass
All that ass inside your jeans

I'm a make make make make you scream
Make you scream make you scream

'Cause of my humps my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my lovely lady lumps

Check it out

I met a girl down at the disco
She said hey hey hey ya lets go
I can be ya baby, you could be my honey
Let's spend time not money
And mix your milk with my coco puff
Milky milky coco
Mix your milk with my coco puff
Milky milky
Right

They say I'm really sexy
The boys they wanna sex me
They always standin' next to me
Always dancin' next to me
Tryin' a feel my hump hump
Lookin' at my lump lump
You can look but you can't touch it
If you touch it
I'm a start some drama
You don't want no drama
No no drama no no no no drama
So don't pull on my hand boy
You ain't my man boy
I'm just tryin' a dance boy

And move my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump my hump my hump
My lovely lady lumps
My lovely lady lumps my lovely lady lumps
In the back and in the front

My loving got you

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that ass
All that ass inside your jeans

I'm a make make make make you scream
Make you scream make you scream

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off this hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that breast
All that breast inside that shirt

I'm a make make make make you work
Make you work work make you work

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me
 
UMGriz75 said:
I think you probably have already pretty much announced how much you think you know. You need no guidance from me. Nor my $90 either for that matter. Insulting your readers might be something you can reflect on as a journalistic strategy. Good luck and best wishes.

What an ass.
 
PlayerRep said:
I don't recall who used the term "dirt", but I don't think it was Kyle. Probably a poor choice of words. Doubt that any UM coaches spread anything close to dirt about their team.
I pointed out in response to the original poster that the term was 1) inappropriate, 2) I doubted that Kyle had actually said it or even implied it, and 3) I doubted it could even be remotely true of anyone at the University of Montana, including the claim that coaches share "very private" information with Kyle or anyone else.

As with "dirt," "very private" has a specific meaning and especially so for public employees operating under both statutory guidelines restricting disclosure of information as well as personnel matters which are strictly regulated, and especially so for student/athletes protected by Federal law as well. Those are duties of UM employees, there is no journalistic exception, and breach of those duties invites serious consequences for both the employee and the institution. That's the precisely the wall that Krakauer has been trying to breach.

I expected Kyle to disavow the attribution.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
UMGriz75 said:
I think you probably have already pretty much announced how much you think you know. You need no guidance from me. Nor my $90 either for that matter. Insulting your readers might be something you can reflect on as a journalistic strategy. Good luck and best wishes.

What an ass.
:thumb:

Bet he still pays the $90 :lol:
 
Gotta hand it to 75.

After Kyle, he now has 100% of the posters on this board who believe he is a complete fucking douche. That is not easily accomplished, my friends.
 
BWahlberg said:
kyle_sample said:
UMGriz75 said:
GrizzGriz said:
Damn...glad you weren't trying to insult him.
It's a reality check. Typically, I've complimented his sports coverage and work at the Missoulian. Been very positive about him and his writing. And I did so as a former practicing Journalist and sports reporter in a position to have an objective and informed opinion. But when despite that record, when he feels some need to insult me personally, completely gratuitously, well, good luck with that. He will quickly lose his supporters with that horseshit attitude. I paid $90 to get good writing, not to be personally insulted. I mean, wow, some people just "have a way ...".

Sometimes the "young" have a confidence and arrogance about what they "think" they know. As Mark Twain said, paraphrasing, "My Dad was a complete idiot when I was 14. I was amazed how much he had learned by the time I was 21." Perhaps Kyle will settle down and not feel the need to offer hyperactive insults regarding the experiences of more experienced people in the world.

I didn't attack you personally, I said one line out of your post was bullshit. Everybody says some bullshit stuff now and then. I know I certainly do. But if you think you didn't, then we disagree. It's pretty simple.

I try to say some BS at least twice per day

Don't let the fact-checkers find out.
 
BWahlberg said:
kyle_sample said:
UMGriz75 said:
GrizzGriz said:
Damn...glad you weren't trying to insult him.
It's a reality check. Typically, I've complimented his sports coverage and work at the Missoulian. Been very positive about him and his writing. And I did so as a former practicing Journalist and sports reporter in a position to have an objective and informed opinion. But when despite that record, when he feels some need to insult me personally, completely gratuitously, well, good luck with that. He will quickly lose his supporters with that horseshit attitude. I paid $90 to get good writing, not to be personally insulted. I mean, wow, some people just "have a way ...".

Sometimes the "young" have a confidence and arrogance about what they "think" they know. As Mark Twain said, paraphrasing, "My Dad was a complete idiot when I was 14. I was amazed how much he had learned by the time I was 21." Perhaps Kyle will settle down and not feel the need to offer hyperactive insults regarding the experiences of more experienced people in the world.

I didn't attack you personally, I said one line out of your post was bullshit. Everybody says some bullshit stuff now and then. I know I certainly do. But if you think you didn't, then we disagree. It's pretty simple.

I try to say some BS at least twice per day

Could you please highlight this with some charts and graphs?
 
Coaches are only going to talk candidly to people they trust. People who do not run and write the things they say on message boards. True insider info usually stays inside or the person will soon be an outsider.
 
EverettGriz said:
Gotta hand it to 75.

After Kyle, he now has 100% of the posters on this board who believe he is a complete f***[*] douche. That is not easily accomplished, my friends.

I wouldn't go as far as 100%. We still have the second half of the dynamic duo. So lets say, 99.999999%.
 
mtgrizrule said:
It is natural for a coach to instinctively defend a player, just as Pflugrad did. I for one, to this day, feel Pflugrad was 100% correct in his defending Jordan Johnson. Being Engstrom did not like the defense being done publicly, he and O'day were both screwed. Then again, that is entirely another subject.

.... Personally, I have never considered AJ or Kyle as to having jumped the gun or crossing certain lines. In my opinion, both are honorable and respected journalists. I certainly am not going to use this forum or thread as a measure to believe otherwise.

Rather it be a coach, player, or media member, when I am given information, I do my best to determine if the person telling me wants it confidential, or to what extent I can drop hints, without mentioning names, or specifics. I do know of a few egrizzers who used to give EGRIZ good information here, but no longer do because of the idiots and yahoos who call them on the information. How dare the information be slightly off base! .
I've never seen inappropriate reporting from the sports desk at the Missoulian. However, that's separate from the claim that coaches share "dirt" or "very private" information about staff or players. For starters, there's no reason for it. None.

That being said, sports reporters are severely constrained by the reality of the fact that they need the source. So, there is an inherent bias. The players may be saying things about the state of affairs, but it you want that next interview with the coach, you're probably going to deep six any story lines that jeopardize your relationship with the coach. That's just a reality, it's not remarkable, and its entirely understandable. But, it's a structural filter imposed on the reporting process.

"Insiders" are generally more accurately informed, not because they talk to the coach, but precisely because they have sources that are NOT the coach. And there's nothing magical or mysterious about having those relationships; they are everyday relationships; your kid is friends with a running back who is over at the house a couple of times a week; your nephew is on the team this year; the son of someone you work with professionally is on the team and so you talk about him at coffee. An assistant coach may live next door or might have your wife giving his daughter piano lessons, so you talk to him while he's waiting and develop a friendship. The bartender is on the team and you shoot the breeze on a Sunday afternoon.

Those are "insiders" only in the sense that they are part of natural relationships in the community; they are not the "insiders" that want to be known as "insiders" and constantly seek out staff to feel important. There are different levels and kinds of information between the two.

You hear all sorts of things that don't make it into the "news," and some things that show up in the "news" quite a bit differently than team members or staff may be perceiving it. But, for the purposes of this conversation, there is a difference between "insiders" and as you suggest, people who want to be perceived as "insiders." Those are the ones all over the Boards. Dalton Daum was a good example of how a story got warped initially between people who genuinely have an idea what's going on and "wannabe insiders." So was Stitt's salary eruption. And woe to anyone who crosses the wannabes. And that's why knowledgeable posters walk away from egriz. It's just not worth the trolling. I talk to "players" in the varsity sports at UM all week long in various contexts, some school, some social. Maybe two or three conversations about the team will come out of casual remarks, "how's practice going?" Sometimes its just conversations at the kitchen table between the kids. But, out of that, I have a pretty good idea of player's viewpoints of the season and the staff. Except for the notion that the "kids want to play the game," I don't generally share any of those conversations here at all; although it was one reason I could know in advance why Daum quit, against the "egriz" meme that it "had nothing to do" with the football team. But jazuz, don't disagree with the trolls, or worse yet, don't embarrass their faux knowledge.

I don't think Pflu or O'Day got a fair shake from the media, but that was the result of the story being taken away from the sports desk. But it had to be. The downside of the ostensible effort to provide unbiased reporting was the resulting train wreck of overtly biased reporting; some of the worst I've ever seen outside of political rags. The story needed a reporter with good "insider" connections to get the real story and maybe do some good. That didn't happen. That journalistic train wreck continues to hurt the University of Montana to this day.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
EverettGriz said:
Gotta hand it to 75.

After Kyle, he now has 100% of the posters on this board who believe he is a complete f***[*] douche. That is not easily accomplished, my friends.

I wouldn't go as far as 100%. We still have the second half of the dynamic duo. So lets say, 99.999999%.
:thumb:
 
I can't help but point out this quote from Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post in a Q and A about the Rockies:

"I have some details on that that I can’t divulge"

It's in the second paragraph of the his response to the first question:

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/21/rockies-mailbag-october-21-2016/

I have no idea of which side of what argument I just came down on, but it seems clear sports writers sometimes do learn things they don't publish.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
My Humps (Black Eyed Peas)

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside your trunk

I'ma get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my lovely little lumps

Check it out

I drive these brothers crazy
I do it on the daily
They treat me really nicely
They buy me all these ice
Dolce and Gabbana
Fendi and Madonna
Caring they be sharin'
All their money got me wearing fly
Whether I ain't askin'
They say they love mah ass in
Seven jeans
True religion
I say no
But they keep givin'
So I keep on takin'
And no I ain't takin'
We can keep on datin'
Now keep on demonstratin'

My love my love my love my love
You love my lady lumps
My hump my hump my hump
My humps they got you

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that ass
All that ass inside your jeans

I'm a make make make make you scream
Make you scream make you scream

'Cause of my humps my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my lovely lady lumps

Check it out

I met a girl down at the disco
She said hey hey hey ya lets go
I can be ya baby, you could be my honey
Let's spend time not money
And mix your milk with my coco puff
Milky milky coco
Mix your milk with my coco puff
Milky milky
Right

They say I'm really sexy
The boys they wanna sex me
They always standin' next to me
Always dancin' next to me
Tryin' a feel my hump hump
Lookin' at my lump lump
You can look but you can't touch it
If you touch it
I'm a start some drama
You don't want no drama
No no drama no no no no drama
So don't pull on my hand boy
You ain't my man boy
I'm just tryin' a dance boy

And move my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump
My hump my hump my hump my hump my hump my hump
My lovely lady lumps
My lovely lady lumps my lovely lady lumps
In the back and in the front

My loving got you

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off my hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that ass
All that ass inside your jeans

I'm a make make make make you scream
Make you scream make you scream

Whatcha gonna do with all that junk
All that junk inside that trunk

I'm a get get get get you drunk
Get you love drunk off this hump

Whatcha gonna do with all that breast
All that breast inside that shirt

I'm a make make make make you work
Make you work work make you work

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
And spending time on me

She's got me spending

Oh, spending all your money on me
Uh on me on me

IN-A-GADDA-DA-VIDA (Iron Butterfly)

In a gadda da vida, baby
(In the Garden of Eden)
In a gadda da vida, honey
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you

Oh, won't you come with me
And take my hand
Oh, won't you come with me
And walk this land
Please take my hand

In a gadda da vida, honey
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you
In a gadda da vida, baby
Don't you know that I'll always be true

Oh, won't you come with me
And take my hand
Oh, won't you come with me
And walk this land
Please take my hand

In a gadda da vida, honey
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you
In a gadda da vida, baby
Don't you know that I'll always be true

Oh, won't you come with me
And take my hand
Oh, won't you come with me
And walk this land
Please take my hand

In a gadda da vida, baby
(In the Garden of Eden)
In a gadda da vida, honey
Don't you know that I'm lovin' you

Oh, won't you come with me
And take my hand
Oh, won't you come with me
And walk this land
Please take my hand
 
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