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QB's position discussion/Revision 2/spring practices

I liked how when I said I wanted JJ to run more, people told me he shouldn't because he wouldn't last the whole season, but then he ended up getting annihilated in several games behind the line's poor pass protection, anyways.

At least if we had designed runs for him, he'd have been gaining yards while getting blasted instead of losing yards. ;)
 
going on past history in billings (selle and edwards),,gustafson kid is much more gifted than either of these two were...bigger, stronger, better arm, more accurate, better athlete (more nimble and faster, very good basketball player), has rewritten most all of the records at west high...used in pro sets most of the time at west....having said all that, he has not won a game for montana, yet.....I have a feeling weyer is similar kind of qb....it should be a battle in a few years...add simis to this bunch and we should be ok at qb, imo...
 
I'd like to see either Gustafson or Simis take over at backup. One of those two will most likely be starting in '15 and the quicker the coaches figure out who that is the better. Hopefully the QB for 2015 doesn't lose valuable reps with the 1's and 2's because Shay is a senior and he's earned the #2.

Shay has a great mind for the game and Johnson definitely trusts his input. But we all know Shay's playmaking limitations and honestly, he probably wouldn't start for any of the top 50 FCS teams. The guy is a genius and he's stated he wants to coach..So how about just hire him as the Quarterbacks Coach? I'm kidding, but that's essentially his role.

McKinney needs to be moved.
 
Does anyone else think the one snap SSH played for JJ Saturday was the PERFECT TIME to let him throw a play-action bomb? My buddy and I were talking about it after. CC had all 11 near the line of scrimmage. The entire world knew the backup QB was probably going to hand it off. That bomb would have been WIDE OPEN.
 
griz5700 said:
I'd like to see either Gustafson or Simis take over at backup. One of those two will most likely be starting in '15 and the quicker the coaches figure out who that is the better. Hopefully the QB for 2015 doesn't lose valuable reps with the 1's and 2's because Shay is a senior and he's earned the #2.

Shay has a great mind for the game and Johnson definitely trusts his input. But we all know Shay's playmaking limitations and honestly, he probably wouldn't start for any of the top 50 FCS teams. The guy is a genius and he's stated he wants to coach..So how about just hire him as the Quarterbacks Coach? I'm kidding, but that's essentially his role.

McKinney needs to be moved.

Interesting points all around. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't with the backup spot. Putting Simis and Gus to backup JJ makes sense, as long as the reps are meant to build playing time and experience. However if JJ is hurt and can't go, would you want a rather untested QB in one of these two to start a game, or go with SSH who probably wouldn't be flashy but would manage the game well?

Not saying one way or the other is better, just an interesting predicament.
 
BWahlberg said:
My thoughts:

Shay Smithwick-Hann: Yeah agreed, probably stuck as a backup, but with a year under his belt and if the system stays relatively the same he won't be as big of a drop-off if needed as he was in 2012. In 2012 he was expected to run zone-read in a league where he's too slow to be a continual threat. Yeah I know he's got some rushing TDs this year but those were in unexpected situations. Going back to 2012 when he'd keep the ball he wasn't getting much for yards. That said he's a smart kid, good size for a QB, durable, can run if needed, and has a strong arm. He's got some experience over the last two years as well. In the terms of a backup... he's a good fit.

Trent McKinney: I guessed he'd transfer out in my early 2014 depth look. He came in here to run the zone-read for Pflu. In a perfect world he'd be the 2014 heir-apparent as JJ would be graduating as a senior. Fast forward though and the system has changed, JJ will be a senior in 2014 no 2013, and it's a mostly new coaching staff compared to when he came in. Trent's looking at best to start for 1 year or play in 2014 if JJ is hurt and SSH is hurt or ineffective. I'd assume he might take a hard look at other options. If he stays, more power too him, he could over-take SSH and be the primary backup, and who knows what happens as the season moves forward.

Brady Gustafson: Watching more of Brady in spring camp as he was given a good look to see if he could start I'm intrigued by what he has to offer. A tall kid, a very strong arm, much like Shay he can run if it's asked of him. He's a good fit for what the new offense is trying to do. 2014 will have him buried again in depth but in 2015 he could be battling McKinney and Simis to start. With the return of JJ and addition of Simis, Brady's opportunities really cut back in fall camp. Still I'd see him connect on some great deep throws down the field, and then toss a pick on a short route. Good arm strength, sees over the line, average to above average pocket presence.

Makena Simis: Quite often true freshman QBs in fall camp look a little lost, Simis showed that a lot. Trying to recall, I think he had one real good series in a scrimmage. In terms scrambling/use of his feet Makena is better than Brady. Pocket presence wasn't as good though, happy feet early and often. Now I see he won scout team player of the year on offense, that's a nice recognition. I'm looking forward to seeing how he looks in spring camp. Last I saw him he was brand new to the team and that's a big learning curve, especially at QB.

Have to disagree on SSH, I'm afraid. His nickname should be "Wheels" . He's our best running QB. As I recall he had 2 running TDs this year and JJ had ?. Name another player in America with more yards per carry. :D
 
havgrizfan said:
Does anyone else think the one snap SSH played for JJ Saturday was the PERFECT TIME to let him throw a play-action bomb? My buddy and I were talking about it after. CC had all 11 near the line of scrimmage. The entire world knew the backup QB was probably going to hand it off. That bomb would have been WIDE OPEN.

We don't have a head coach who thinks like that or thinks ahead enough to consider giving the QB the green light to audible if they stack the box. Unfortunately, the element of surprise is a foreign concept.....
 
havgrizfan said:
Does anyone else think the one snap SSH played for JJ Saturday was the PERFECT TIME to let him throw a play-action bomb? My buddy and I were talking about it after. CC had all 11 near the line of scrimmage. The entire world knew the backup QB was probably going to hand it off. That bomb would have been WIDE OPEN.
We were all discussing whether or not SSH would start jogging to the sideline once the impending hand off was completed. Everybody in the stands knew he wasn't at risk to pass. To keep CC honest they should have at least tried the bootleg that he scored on earlier this year. He probably would have gained more yardage than our back who was gang tackled on the play.
 
BWahlberg said:
griz5700 said:
I'd like to see either Gustafson or Simis take over at backup. One of those two will most likely be starting in '15 and the quicker the coaches figure out who that is the better. Hopefully the QB for 2015 doesn't lose valuable reps with the 1's and 2's because Shay is a senior and he's earned the #2.

Shay has a great mind for the game and Johnson definitely trusts his input. But we all know Shay's playmaking limitations and honestly, he probably wouldn't start for any of the top 50 FCS teams. The guy is a genius and he's stated he wants to coach..So how about just hire him as the Quarterbacks Coach? I'm kidding, but that's essentially his role.

McKinney needs to be moved.

Interesting points all around. Kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't with the backup spot. Putting Simis and Gus to backup JJ makes sense, as long as the reps are meant to build playing time and experience. However if JJ is hurt and can't go, would you want a rather untested QB in one of these two to start a game, or go with SSH who probably wouldn't be flashy but would manage the game well?

Not saying one way or the other is better, just an interesting predicament.

I would go with Gus or Simis. At some point one of those two will be thrown in the fire and be expected to perform at a high level. I assume either one, given the reps could manage this offense with the talent and experience returning.

Ideally that guy make plays and establishes some stability beyond Jordan. I know, big if, but with QB's I think either you got it or you don't. Only one way to know for certain. JJ compared to Shay comes to mind. You could just tell Johnson had it.

If either one is believed by the coaches to have the upper hand as the next QB (in 15), I can't imagine a better scenario than preparing each week to backup Jordan with Shay essentially there to serve as their mentor. A role I think Shay would accept and embrace.

Tough situation but we gotta see what is there after 2014.
 
I am hoping Simis has a great career as a Grizzly. One of my relatives grew up with him in Idaho and is good friends with him. Heard he is a good guy and has a lot of potential. He is really excited to be a Grizzly although when he committed one reason was because of the offense Pflugrad ran was similar to his in high school.

Wonder how many other players were recruited to play in that type of offense and how many were designed to play in the current lets run the same smash mouth run plays over and over style.
 
What about the idea of using McKinney as a change of pace QB? He is such an athlete, to run him a set a quarter almost like a wildcat might really mess some D's up. Or would that be too disruptive to our offensive system? Could we run a spread set and let Trent read and react? What do you guys think?
 
SSH is just taking a place that we could be using to get a younger guy some experience, I would think Gustafson would be the number 2 guy, if you went by passing ability. But SSH will stay the backup I am sure of it, he will be a senior, he was coached by Grady Bennett and I bet that has something to do with him getting any PT.
 
1Griz_Fan said:
I am hoping Simis has a great career as a Grizzly. One of my relatives grew up with him in Idaho and is good friends with him. Heard he is a good guy and has a lot of potential. He is really excited to be a Grizzly although when he committed one reason was because of the offense Pflugrad ran was similar to his in high school.

Wonder how many other players were recruited to play in that type of offense and how many were designed to play in the current lets run the same smash mouth run plays over and over style.
My bet is Simis will be the man in '15. Gus sounds good but everything I've heard about Makena from his first accepting his schollie to now leads me to think he's gonna b a good one.
He is a coaches son and that usually translates to a high football IQ. He ran Phlu's O in high school and was basically a coach on the feild calling most the plays himself after reading the D. He's very athletic and ran alot his two years as a starter. He's also well built at 6-2 200lbs as a Fr here. By '15 when he weighs 10 to 15 lbs more and two full years of college ball ( with limited game time), I think he will be our guy. I know Gus's physical presence and strength may be slightly better but I beleive Simis may be the smarter of the two. At any rare it will be a good competition and make both players better for it.
 
JayLarson said:
SSH is just taking a place that we could be using to get a younger guy some experience, I would think Gustafson would be the number 2 guy, if you went by passing ability. But SSH will stay the backup I am sure of it, he will be a senior, he was coached by Grady Bennett and I bet that has something to do with him getting any PT.

I doubt Grady has anything with his PT or position on the depth chart. Shay earned the the #2 spot. He is a very smart guy and I'm sure he knows the correct read for all routes, in every formation, for whatever defense appears pre and post snap. I bet he has the mental edge over JJ and even a couple offensive assistants. He just doesn't have the arm strength, quick release or elusiveness to take advantage of those smarts. Shay is talented, but JJ is very talented..and durable.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't turn into a Shay bashing because he doesn't deserve it, and that's not what this is about. It's about developing depth at QB while we have guys like JJ and Shay to learn from.
 
griz5700 said:
JayLarson said:
Anyway, I hope this doesn't turn into a Shay bashing because he doesn't deserve it, and that's not what this is about. It's about developing depth at QB while we have guys like JJ and Shay to learn from.

Well hopefully Shay and JJ share their knowledge with the younger guys, and with both of them being seniors next season, I would hope the coaches let those younger QB's get some reps, because they will need them for the next season. I did not mean to bash Shay but you can see that the coaches have no trust in him throwing the ball.
 
griz5700 said:
I bet he has the mental edge over JJ and even a couple offensive assistants.

Oh really? After what JJ has been through in the last year and a half I highly doubt SSH has a mental edge over JJ. Are you serious???? :?
 
dickenson is too small and slow to be an effective qb in the bsc. he can't hold wilburger's jock.
 
Hammer said:
griz5700 said:
I bet he has the mental edge over JJ and even a couple offensive assistants.

Oh really? After what JJ has been through in the last year and a half I highly doubt SSH has a mental edge over JJ. Are you serious???? :?

Totally serious. I'm talking about X and O's, 4.0 smarts, not mental fotitude or whatever Johnson may have gained from this past year and a half. Johnson is a smart dude too. No doubt.

Sent from my Z10
 
griz5700 said:
Hammer said:
griz5700 said:
I bet he has the mental edge over JJ and even a couple offensive assistants.

Oh really? After what JJ has been through in the last year and a half I highly doubt SSH has a mental edge over JJ. Are you serious???? :?

Totally serious. I'm talking about X and O's, 4.0 smarts, not mental fotitude or whatever Johnson may have gained from this past year and a half. Johnson is a smart dude too. No doubt.

Sent from my Z10

Funny SSH didn't beat him out then. :?
 
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