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QB

jtgriz2 said:
Spanky said:
All of the talk about the play-offs. Do you folks really believe the Griz are a play-off worthy team?

If we get in yes...FCS is shallower and expanded playoff field. Mediocre gets you in
And that there is the problem... For "money" we let mediocre teams like...... San Diego into the playoffs.
Probably one of the most boring and mis-matched playoff games I've seen.
 
Now I know the Griz are back. I see ol Alpha posting again and soon Atlanta/Growler will be out on parole and the Griz are about to make a great come-back because of this.

QB? Quit the worry. Gus is tall. Simis can run. So why worry when Lucas is the wild card?
 
grizindabox said:
Spanky said:
All of the talk about the play-offs. Do you folks really believe the Griz are a play-off worthy team?

nope
Nada - But the game of the week will be play-off contenders…..UM-Western Dawgs vs Tech, in Butte! Of course, we know that you just can't win a game there! :evil:
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Simis is currently a 1 trick pony, and even doing that he keeps screwing it up. I feel fairly confident that Simis will not return next season.
After "screwups" his record is still better than Gus'. Of course, Gus' record was compiled from his own screwups -- "overthrows" and "miscommunications" and a key point in all of this is that both were going downhill fast from their starting games -- as Stitt kept fiddling with the offense.

The "fiddle" process represents the "coaching" part. I pointed out early in the season that this will be a bit like tuning a distributor, you turn it one direction, then the other, and you get rough running until you hit the sweet spot. Stitt keeps turning it away from his QB's sweet spots. In his last game before his injury, the other side had scored 17 points, and Gus, nothing. He was doing his by-then standard 54% pass completion, on 7.7 yd average throws. It got nowhere in that game. Stitt admits he was still all-in at that point on his "base strategy." Well, coach, where was it on the scoreboard? What did finally score was the 70 yard pass from Chad to ...Jamal Jones.

From the data, its pretty clear what has worked and what hasn't worked. Stitt keeps returning to the part that hasn't worked and which continually undervalues Ellis and Jamal.

Why? I don't know.

Montana's current standing, at .667, is Stitt's ten year average at Mines in the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference. We are, right now, where Stitt has been all his life.

As Donald Rumsfeld famously noted, you can only improve what you measure. The measurements of the UND game show a confident QB. We no longer have that confident QB. That's coaching. We can measure it.

Hopefully tomorrow, we will see a coach come to his QB, to Ellis, and to Jamal with a strategy that utilizes their skillsets, instead of demanding that his very skilled QB, Ellis and Jamal come to him for the genius of his "base offense." If so, we can win.

Go Griz!
 
UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Simis is currently a 1 trick pony, and even doing that he keeps screwing it up. I feel fairly confident that Simis will not return next season.
After "screwups" his record is still better than Gus'. Of course, Gus' record was compiled from his own screwups -- "overthrows" and "miscommunications" and a key point in all of this is that both were going downhill fast from their starting games...yadda yadda yadda...As Donald Rumsfeld famously noted...blah blah blah...That's coaching. We can measure it..."base offense." If so, we can win.
Go Griz!

As only a pedestrian fan I had to abbreviate your quote based on what I heard. :P :P :P

UMGriz75, you've said several times that you've coached this sport for 40 years, are writing a book...yadda yadda yadda. I assume you've said this to establish your credibility on the subject?

How about posting your win/loss record as a coach? How about your first year win/loss with new teams (unless, of course, you coached at the same institution for your whole career).
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Why do people keep comparing what Simis has done to what Gus has done like it is a good thing? It is not like Gus set the bar very high.

Well in his first start he did. It was always going to be tough for a new QB to live up to a performance like that, and obviously he hasn't had a chance to get things back on track after the injury.
 
I'm confused one minute Stitt is inflexible and the next he is always tinkering with the offense?? Which is it 75???
Where did you coach and when? Record??
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Why do people keep comparing what Simis has done to what Gus has done like it is a good thing? It is not like Gus set the bar very high.
The "high bar" this season was set by Makena Simis. That is inarguable. He didn't join the likes of Dave Dickenson, Brian Ah Yat, and Jordan Johnson because he is comparable in any way to Gus.

The "low bar" for the UM Griz this season was set by Gus in Cal Poly. That is also inarguable as that loss was against the worst pass defense in the conference but which kept us to just 8.8 yds per pass, caused three fumbles and made three interceptions, kept our third down conversions to Gus' standard 35%, a team that hasn't won a game since, and we lost at Home. That isn't even a low bar. That's a hole in the ground.

Makena has lost just one game, on the road, against the Conference 4th leading pass defense and on that day, his stats were better overall than Dakota Prukop on that same date under similar rainy circumstances against a UND team that has been described here as having a "terrible pass defense."
 
UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Why do people keep comparing what Simis has done to what Gus has done like it is a good thing? It is not like Gus set the bar very high.
The "high bar" this season was set by Makena Simis. That is inarguable. He didn't join the likes of Dave Dickenson, Brian Ah Yat, and Jordan Johnson because he is comparable in any way to Gus...blah blah blah...Makena has lost just one game, on the road, against the Conference 4th leading pass defense and on that day, his stats were better overall than Dakota Prukop on that same date under similar rainy circumstances against a UND team that has been described here as having a "terrible pass defense."

Doesn't North Dakota play in a shed or something? Was the roof leaking? :P :P :P
 
UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
Why do people keep comparing what Simis has done to what Gus has done like it is a good thing? It is not like Gus set the bar very high.
The "high bar" this season was set by Makena Simis. That is inarguable. He didn't join the likes of Dave Dickenson, Brian Ah Yat, and Jordan Johnson because he is comparable in any way to Gus.

The "low bar" for the UM Griz this season was set by Gus in Cal Poly or Weber, take your pick. That is also inarguable as one of those losses was against the worst pass defense in the conference but which kept us to just 8.8 yds per pass, and made three interceptions, kept our third down conversions to Gus' standard 35%, a team that hasn't won a game since, and we lost at Home. That isn't even a low bar. That's a hole in the ground.

Makena has lost just one game, on the road, against the Conference 4th leading pass defense and on that day, his stats were better overall than Dakota Prukop on that same date under similar rainy circumstances against a UND team that has been described here as having a "terrible pass defense."

I think the point was that neither QB has been that impressive overall. I would also like you to answer mavman and bjorn. I know you won't, as answering will do nothing to further your agenda.
 
Mavman said:
I'm confused one minute Stitt is inflexible and the next he is always tinkering with the offense?? Which is it 75????
You are confused. When the coach takes a winning set of circumstances and then keeps trying to change back to his "base strategy" and it doesn't work, that's tinkering, and also inflexible. It is possible to learn from your players by their successes.

Got it?
 
UMGriz75 said:
Mavman said:
I'm confused one minute Stitt is inflexible and the next he is always tinkering with the offense?? Which is it 75????
You are confused. When the coach takes a winning set of circumstances and then keeps trying to change back to his "base strategy" and it doesn't work, that's tinkering, and also inflexible. It is possible to learn from your players by their successes.

Got it?

The winning set of circumstances were a subset of his "base strategy" and he tried to incorporate more of his 'base strategy" and Simis did not adjust so he simplified it once again. Sounds pretty flexible to me. When your QB has success with part of the offense, would it not make sense to give him more?
 
Bjorn Bjornstein said:
UMGriz75, you've said several times that you've coached this sport for 40 years, are writing a book...yadda yadda yadda. I assume you've said this to establish your credibility on the subject?

How about posting your win/loss record as a coach? How about your first year win/loss with new teams (unless, of course, you coached at the same institution for your whole career).
As the Rumsfeld quote was designed to illuminate for you, "I" don't really matter, but the measurements do. That's why I rely on stats, as confirmed by what I see on the field. If my opinion differs from what the stats show, then my opinion doesn't matter. If my opinion is derived from the stats, then my opinion doesn't matter either, because that's simply what the stats show.

But, FYI, I didn't say I coached "this" sport.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
UMGriz75 said:
Mavman said:
I'm confused one minute Stitt is inflexible and the next he is always tinkering with the offense?? Which is it 75????
You are confused. When the coach takes a winning set of circumstances and then keeps trying to change back to his "base strategy" and it doesn't work, that's tinkering, and also inflexible. It is possible to learn from your players by their successes.

Got it?

The winning set of circumstances were a subset of his "base strategy" and he tried to incorporate more of his 'base strategy" and Simis did not adjust so he simplified it once again. Sounds pretty flexible to me. When your QB has success with part of the offense, would it not make sense to give him more?

Thats kinda what I thought helena. But I see I was wrong as the know it all pri#k 75 explained.
 
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