QB transfer?

[RoseyMustGo]

How do you support a program without supporting a program? That's what I'd like to know. It's okay to have expectations. It's crazy to think a program is always going to meet your expectations. We live in an imperfect world, no matter how much you want or think something is perfect, it never will be. Expecting to go to a NC every year, is not realistic, especially for a program that went through all the turmoil the griz have. I've literally had people say to me(after telling them I'm a griz fan) "so you're pro rape?"

The sad thing is, is it wasn't just one time. that shit really hurt the program, big time. And when you have idiots like that saying UM is rape this and rape that, a lot of people will start to shy away because they don't want to be associated with that. The loss of schollys hurt us for many years and we are just getting out of the effects of that. With everything that has happened, we are in a good spot, really. You think NDSU would be the same if they went through that? You think coaches haven't heard this kind of talk to? You think HS coaches don't tell their players about this crap? It hurt the program big time and still is. A lot of coaches wouldn't even want to come to this program because of it. This is reality bro.

What does supporting a failed coaching staff have to do with supporting a program? Will I continue attending games if Hauck and his team remain? Hell yes. Will I still live and die Grizzly athletics? Hell yes.
But that doesn't mean that I have to blindly support a coach who is going nowhere with his promise to RTD. Sometimes change is necessary.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Idaho was an absolute f###[#] DUMPSTER fire and they turned it around in one year. Taylor turned Sac State around IMMEDIATELY and they hadn’t been relevant in years. It’s FIVE years and Bobby’s teams are getting worse, not better.

And anyway, guess what. YOU don’t get to decide how I get to be a fan or whether I’m on some mythical “wagon” or not. I’ll “fan” however I see fit. The fact I have higher expectations than you doesn’t make me a bad fan.

This is what you would expect with a usual head coaching change? A bit cherry-picked don't you think? How did it go at CPSLO, ISU or UNC?

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

 

[SoldierGriz]

This is what you would expect with a usual head coaching change? A bit cherry-picked don't you think? How did it go at CPSLO, ISU or UNC?

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

Good post. :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This is what you would expect with a usual head coaching change? A bit cherry-picked don't you think? How did it go at CPSLO, ISU or UNC?

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

Listen pal, the Griz could go .500 in conference every season for all I care as long as “my guys” are in charge. This program has no use for new coaches who don’t know what kind of access I deserve.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

Listen pal, the Griz could go .500 in conference every season for all I care as long as “my guys” are in charge. This program has no use for new coaches who don’t know what kind of access I deserve.

Well then there’s that. I would have NEVER predicted CDA was PR’s humor alter ego.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

Good post. :clap:

We weren't getting into the playoffs, winning playoff games and even ranked in the top 30 when Hauck got here. Now we are. 3 years in a row. The conference is much stronger too. Have gotten 5 teams in playoffs the past two years too. Two top 8 post season rankings in past 2 years and probably a top 10 or so this year. One healthy qb away from semis this year.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Good post. :clap:

We weren't getting into the playoffs, winning playoff games and even ranked in the top 30 when Hauck got here. Now we are. 3 years in a row. The conference is much stronger too. Have gotten 5 teams in playoffs the past two years too. Two top 8 post season rankings in past 2 years and probably a top 10 or so this year. One healthy qb away from semis this year.

Uh Huh. Sure. :roll:

 

[Lord Vigo]

This is what you would expect with a usual head coaching change? A bit cherry-picked don't you think? How did it go at CPSLO, ISU or UNC?

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

 

[uofmman1122]

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

Spot on. There's been a lot of embellishment on both sides of this argument. I've been called a koolaid drinker who's ok with mediocrity because I've pointed out that people are going a little overboard on their criticisms on things that don't necessarily warrant it, despite being very clear that there are plenty of valid criticisms, and that I wouldn't be sad to see him go if our season next year isn't better than this one was.

We could definitely do a lot worse than Bobby Hauck, but the shine is definitely starting to come off.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

UM qb's have been good. Not bandaids. Yes, not good enough back ups the past 2 years. Yes, no dominant o-lines yet, but this year's was pretty good and every one is back. The Robbie thing was minor. Two-time first team all-American years. Iim note sure Young or Huntsberger did that. Hauck was a leader in the locker room and on field this year, I was told.

My view is that the 2 camps are those who understand football and those who don't.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

We weren’t going 2-9 or 1-10 when Bobby got here. We had just gone 7-4, 5-3 in conference with a close loss to MSU to end the year, costing us a playoff spot.

Let me turn the question around, Kem: Is this what YOU expected when Bobby was rehired? That we’d still be having these conversations in year five? Still gripping and wondering whether we were gonna get a playoff selection in year five? Zero BSC championships in year five? 1-3 against the ‘Scats in year five? Counting our playoff wins each year on one finger, in year five?

I can tell you, it wasn’t what I expected. And all Sac and Idaho have proven is that it IS possible, if you make the right hire. And you know and I know that if this guy’s last name wasn’t Hauck he’d be gone—or should be, with his trend line of finishes.

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

Regarding the QBs, I think the backup issue is much more relevant than the "band aid" starter. That said, I doubt Hauck thinks 2023 is the year to deviate from the transfer starter strategy given what could be on the line. A great 2023 buys some time to play the long game; an awful 2023 could be game over.

 

[GrizMania]

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

UM qb's have been good. Not bandaids. Yes, not good enough back ups the past 2 years. Yes, no dominant o-lines yet, but this year's was pretty good and every one is back. The Robbie thing was minor. Two-time first team all-American years. Iim note sure Young or Huntsberger did that. Hauck was a leader in the locker room and on field this year, I was told.

My view is that the 2 camps are those who understand football and those who don't.

Got a good laugh when you compared Robby to Huntsberger, and Young.

 

[Lord Vigo]

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

UM qb's have been good. Not bandaids. Yes, not good enough back ups the past 2 years. Yes, no dominant o-lines yet, but this year's was pretty good and every one is back. The Robbie thing was minor. Two-time first team all-American years. Iim note sure Young or Huntsberger did that. Hauck was a leader in the locker room and on field this year, I was told.

My view is that the 2 camps are those who understand football and those who don't.

See above. When I say that some people are simply inclined to only focus on the positives because they want to believe there are no substantive problems, this is what I'm talking about.

 

[Lord Vigo]

I think one major reason why Griz fans are so strongly divided on the issue of Hauck and whether he's been a success in stint #2 is that both sides have real substance on their side of the argument.

Hauck is a really good coach at the FCS level. He knows very well what he's doing. And he has had success since returning. 34-17 and three playoff appearances in four years-- that's not great success by the standard of what UM or MSU fans should expect, but it isn't failure. Defenders can also point to real excuses for the 2022 season: a really tough road slate that coincided with an injury to your only good quarterback.

But on the other hand, critics aren't being unreasonable when they point out problems, such as:

-Perpetual band-aids at QB and no feasible backup plan
-Failure to recreate dominance along the LOS like his teams used to future in stint #1
-Mishandling the lockerroom in regards to coaching his kid

So people inclined to want to love and believe in Bobby have something real to point to. People inclined dislike him have something just as real to point to. And the reality is in the middle.

Regarding the QBs, I think the backup issue is much more relevant than the "band aid" starter. That said, I doubt Hauck thinks 2023 is the year to deviate from the transfer starter strategy given what could be on the line. A great 2023 buys some time to play the long game; an awful 2023 could be game over.

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

 

[uofmman1122]

Regarding the QBs, I think the backup issue is much more relevant than the "band aid" starter. That said, I doubt Hauck thinks 2023 is the year to deviate from the transfer starter strategy given what could be on the line. A great 2023 buys some time to play the long game; an awful 2023 could be game over.

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

I get what you're saying, but the cats have had 5 starters in that same time period (Andersen, Rovig, Bauman, McKay, Mellott), so this idea that we're some crazy outlier seems weird.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Regarding the QBs, I think the backup issue is much more relevant than the "band aid" starter. That said, I doubt Hauck thinks 2023 is the year to deviate from the transfer starter strategy given what could be on the line. A great 2023 buys some time to play the long game; an awful 2023 could be game over.

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

I see what you're saying about the past. I was more referring to 2023 and why I think Hauck currently needs a 1-2 and done before he could be. If we want to agree that the reason for the previous sentence is a result of what wasn't done in the past, then I'm game. I'd love to see a talented HS QB come in and start for multiple years, but I don't think we will see it in 2023. Stakes are a bit high, IMO.

 

[mthoopsfan]

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

I get what you're saying, but the cats have had 5 starters in that same time period (Andersen, Rovig, Bauman, McKay, Mellott), so this idea that we're some crazy outlier seems weird.

Cats have had more and better bandaids.

 

[Lord Vigo]

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

I get what you're saying, but the cats have had 5 starters in that same time period (Andersen, Rovig, Bauman, McKay, Mellott), so this idea that we're some crazy outlier seems weird.

Right, that's true. Thus, the #1 complaint about Choate was that he couldn't get the QB position settled. I would say that that criticism was entirely valid, just as I think the handling of the QB position is a valid criticism of Hauck.

 

[uofmman1122]

I get what you're saying, but the cats have had 5 starters in that same time period (Andersen, Rovig, Bauman, McKay, Mellott), so this idea that we're some crazy outlier seems weird.

Right, that's true. Thus, the #1 complaint about Choate was that he couldn't get the QB position settled. I would say that that criticism was entirely valid, just as I think the handling of the QB position is a valid criticism of Hauck.

I guess that's fair, but I honestly think the only season the QB position was really bungled was not bringing in someone two years ago. Humphrey was by far the worst starter we've had since Bobby came back. I know we tried to get a backup for Johnson that could carry the torch last year, but all of the guys we went after went somewhere else, and Britt and Brown just didn't work out.

I don't think the revolving door of transfers is necessarily a bad thing, lots of top programs have shown it can and does work very well. They do need to do a better job of getting depth, if that's the way they want to go, though.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

When I say "band-aid," I'm referring more to the lack of continuity than I am commenting on the quality of the players. The Griz have had three starting QB's in four seasons since Bobby returned, correct?

But I think the two issues are related. Because the plan at QB seems to be in a constant churn of transfers, it's hard to get quality homegrown QB's to stick and develop. And because that isn't happening, the backup situation isn't strong.

That doesn't mean that Hauck and his staff can't do both at once. But to this point, they haven't.

I get what you're saying, but the cats have had 5 starters in that same time period (Andersen, Rovig, Bauman, McKay, Mellott), so this idea that we're some crazy outlier seems weird.

Didn't they also have a 2017 starter who flunked out of school or something? Am I misremembering it?