QB Injuries at UM

[Griz til I die]

I don't remember Sneed getting hurt in 2018. I thought he made it all the way through the year. Regardless, that's irrelevant. I agree Hooked. They need to figure out what they're going to do with the backup spot. Should it be Britt or should it be someone else?

I’ve been saying this a few times, but what about a two headed monster instead? A run heavy QB that can pass and a bigger arm type that can run a bit. You can do just about anything with them AND you have a built in back up that gets meaningful reps. Your 3rd string and 4th string guys could be second string to the “starters.” Doing this gets your guys maximum meaningful in-game reps, allows for less of a drop-off if/when one of the starters goes down, and fully utilizes the QB room.

If you are intentional with it from the start, you don’t encounter as many rhythm problems by switching QBs. Also it would require the staff to really think outside of the box.

I"m completely on board with you. I actually said that earlier. I'm perfectly ok with a 2 QB system and other teams in the league have proven it can work. I say let's do it.

 

[AZDoc]

I mentioned this in another thread, how important it will be to have 2-3 good QBs, as we haven’t gotten through a season with our starter at least since 2015. That is pretty crazy when you think about it. Why do we seem to have more QB injuries than literally any other team?

Each one of these starters has gotten hurt and we had to play back ups. Sometimes even the back up got hurt:

2015 - Brady Gustafson
2016 - Brady Gustafson
2017 - Reese Phillips
2018 - Dalton Sneed
2019 - Dalton Sneed
2020 - Covid
2021 - Cam Humphrey
2022 - Lucas Johnson

I totally forgot Gustafson was hurt 2 years in a row. I was at the Phillips disaster...Not pretty. Also, I remember 2020, COVID got his ASS KICKED...it's no wonder he missed the season.

 

[bgbigdog]

You do recall that SacState had one of the best O-lines in the conference, right? They could switch pretty seamlessly between schemes. Just throwing that out there because I'm not seeing the same versatility at Montana.

Why can’t the Griz? It’s not as big of a schematic shift as it might seem. We already run all of the schemes used, it’s just changing up WHO runs it and how it’s utilized. We change up play calling when different RBs are in, why not QBs?

All valid points, but as EV Griz would say, who's gonna do the blocking? The versatility I am noting is seeing this group absolutely manhandled by Weber, a non-factor against Bozeman, able to run block against NDSU, but give up five or six sacks to the same front. I don't care how they did against the tomato cans they beat this season. Their performance against the elites were hit and miss at best and I'm being kind. That's why SacState could get away with two schemes, their O-line was great.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Why can’t the Griz? It’s not as big of a schematic shift as it might seem. We already run all of the schemes used, it’s just changing up WHO runs it and how it’s utilized. We change up play calling when different RBs are in, why not QBs?

All valid points, but as EV Griz would say, who's gonna do the blocking? The versatility I am noting is seeing this group absolutely manhandled by Weber, a non-factor against Bozeman, able to run block against NDSU, but give up five or six sacks to the same front. I don't care how they did against the tomato cans they beat this season. Their performance against the elites were hit and miss at best and I'm being kind. That's why SacState could get away with two schemes, their O-line was great.

Any time the you surrender the LOS like the Griz did in those games, you will have a bad outcome. I think Sac would have been successful with that Oline regardless of what scheme they ran. I don’t think “getting away with it” is the right word. They were intentional with it.

I agree that O-Line play must be improved. That’s kind of the foundation of everything regardless of scheme.

 

[bgbigdog]

You do recall that SacState had one of the best O-lines in the conference, right? They could switch pretty seamlessly between schemes. Just throwing that out there because I'm not seeing the same versatility at Montana.

My response to that would be that we have a 1st team all conference Guard in Mayginnes, and a 3rd team all conference Center in Forbes. Both of which will be back along with Grimsrud (underrated), Liam Brown (healthy off injury), and Brandon Casey (very good). Yes we do lose Chris Walker and I would think they'll bring in a transfer to replace him, but we had a young Oline and all these guys coming back next year bodes well for us IMO. The talent and experience is there! This helps our case for running a 2 QB system.

And my response to you is that this group is hit and miss at best, and that's being kind. Throw out all the wins against inferior teams or the two who had already quit when they showed up in Missoula. Weebs absolutely manhandled them. Do you recall Junior trying to run the wildcat because they hoped to capitalize on their a perceived weakness? Yeah, they couldn't block it.

They were non-factors at Bozeman - as was the offense in general until the game was over. Until Johnson took off for that long scramble against Semo, they were sleep walking, not unlike many others on offense. Against NDSU, they could run block a little but gave up five or six sacks to the same front. It's not Bozeman's, or SacState's or Davis's or even Idaho's O-line here. They all had multiple all-conference and/or all-Americans on their o-lines.

There may be some talented kids on this front. But you'll also recall this is Hauck's fifth season. There were more than enough guys in the recruiting classes prior to have been developed into players, if they were players to begin with. There were three transfers and a converted D-lineman on the starting five this season. Please, like the QB spot - the O-line is in need of a coach who can actually get the most out of who they can find or already have. They should just stop recruiting HS kids and focus on the kids who got coaching elsewhere in the portal.

I'd be all for mixing it up, but it's not gonna happen with what's in front of the QB's now.

 

[Griz til I die]

My response to that would be that we have a 1st team all conference Guard in Mayginnes, and a 3rd team all conference Center in Forbes. Both of which will be back along with Grimsrud (underrated), Liam Brown (healthy off injury), and Brandon Casey (very good). Yes we do lose Chris Walker and I would think they'll bring in a transfer to replace him, but we had a young Oline and all these guys coming back next year bodes well for us IMO. The talent and experience is there! This helps our case for running a 2 QB system.

And my response to you is that this group is hit and miss at best, and that's being kind. Throw out all the wins against inferior teams or the two who had already quit when they showed up in Missoula. Weebs absolutely manhandled them. Do you recall Junior trying to run the wildcat because they hoped to capitalize on their a perceived weakness? Yeah, they couldn't block it.

They were non-factors at Bozeman - as was the offense in general until the game was over. Until Johnson took off for that long scramble against Semo, they were sleep walking, not unlike many others on offense. Against NDSU, they could run block a little but gave up five or six sacks to the same front. It's not Bozeman's, or SacState's or Davis's or even Idaho's O-line here. They all had multiple all-conference and/or all-Americans on their o-lines.

There may be some talented kids on this front. But you'll also recall this is Hauck's fifth season. There were more than enough guys in the recruiting classes prior to have been developed into players, if they were players to begin with. There were three transfers and a converted D-lineman on the starting five this season. Please, like the QB spot - the O-line is in need of a coach who can actually get the most out of who they can find or already have. They should just stop recruiting HS kids and focus on the kids who got coaching elsewhere in the portal.

I'd be all for mixing it up, but it's not gonna happen with what's in front of the QB's now.

I think the players we have are fine and will do well next year. I will agree that they need to move on from Germer but I think these guys will be a solid unit next year. I thought Chris Walker was the weak link of the line so replacing him with a traditional Tackle will help IMO.

 

[Spanky2]

My response to that would be that we have a 1st team all conference Guard in Mayginnes, and a 3rd team all conference Center in Forbes. Both of which will be back along with Grimsrud (underrated), Liam Brown (healthy off injury), and Brandon Casey (very good). Yes we do lose Chris Walker and I would think they'll bring in a transfer to replace him, but we had a young Oline and all these guys coming back next year bodes well for us IMO. The talent and experience is there! This helps our case for running a 2 QB system.

And my response to you is that this group is hit and miss at best, and that's being kind. Throw out all the wins against inferior teams or the two who had already quit when they showed up in Missoula. Weebs absolutely manhandled them. Do you recall Junior trying to run the wildcat because they hoped to capitalize on their a perceived weakness? Yeah, they couldn't block it.

They were non-factors at Bozeman - as was the offense in general until the game was over. Until Johnson took off for that long scramble against Semo, they were sleep walking, not unlike many others on offense. Against NDSU, they could run block a little but gave up five or six sacks to the same front. It's not Bozeman's, or SacState's or Davis's or even Idaho's O-line here. They all had multiple all-conference and/or all-Americans on their o-lines.

There may be some talented kids on this front. But you'll also recall this is Hauck's fifth season. There were more than enough guys in the recruiting classes prior to have been developed into players, if they were players to begin with. There were three transfers and a converted D-lineman on the starting five this season. Please, like the QB spot - the O-line is in need of a coach who can actually get the most out of who they can find or already have. They should just stop recruiting HS kids and focus on the kids who got coaching elsewhere in the portal.

I'd be all for mixing it up, but it's not gonna happen with what's in front of the QB's now.

I’m wondering if we should crank down the HS recruiting in general and concentrate on getting experienced talent in all positions from the portal? Maybe only a sprinkling of HS kids.

 

[bgbigdog]

And my response to you is that this group is hit and miss at best, and that's being kind. Throw out all the wins against inferior teams or the two who had already quit when they showed up in Missoula. Weebs absolutely manhandled them. Do you recall Junior trying to run the wildcat because they hoped to capitalize on their a perceived weakness? Yeah, they couldn't block it.

They were non-factors at Bozeman - as was the offense in general until the game was over. Until Johnson took off for that long scramble against Semo, they were sleep walking, not unlike many others on offense. Against NDSU, they could run block a little but gave up five or six sacks to the same front. It's not Bozeman's, or SacState's or Davis's or even Idaho's O-line here. They all had multiple all-conference and/or all-Americans on their o-lines.

There may be some talented kids on this front. But you'll also recall this is Hauck's fifth season. There were more than enough guys in the recruiting classes prior to have been developed into players, if they were players to begin with. There were three transfers and a converted D-lineman on the starting five this season. Please, like the QB spot - the O-line is in need of a coach who can actually get the most out of who they can find or already have. They should just stop recruiting HS kids and focus on the kids who got coaching elsewhere in the portal.

I'd be all for mixing it up, but it's not gonna happen with what's in front of the QB's now.

I think the players we have are fine and will do well next year. I will agree that they need to move on from Germer but I think these guys will be a solid unit next year. I thought Chris Walker was the weak link of the line so replacing him with a traditional Tackle will help IMO.

We'll agree to disagree on Walker. He was night and day from the first week through the NDSU game. And I think Nebraska messed up big time moving him to defense. If he had one more season, I would think he'd have been all-conference himself.

The kids on the bench need to step up in a big way next season, because if they don't there isn't any reason to continue to recruit high school kids to Montana. Germer can't develop them or they're not able to identify guys who can play. Minus Mayginnes, the first team all-conference guys were home grown. And the SacState kid was a sophomore.

 

[Griz Addict]

Take this for what it is;
GERMER WAS HIRED BACK IN 2015.


You all know what I'm saying. The guys gotta fucking go

 

[AZGrizFan]

And my response to you is that this group is hit and miss at best, and that's being kind. Throw out all the wins against inferior teams or the two who had already quit when they showed up in Missoula. Weebs absolutely manhandled them. Do you recall Junior trying to run the wildcat because they hoped to capitalize on their a perceived weakness? Yeah, they couldn't block it.

They were non-factors at Bozeman - as was the offense in general until the game was over. Until Johnson took off for that long scramble against Semo, they were sleep walking, not unlike many others on offense. Against NDSU, they could run block a little but gave up five or six sacks to the same front. It's not Bozeman's, or SacState's or Davis's or even Idaho's O-line here. They all had multiple all-conference and/or all-Americans on their o-lines.

There may be some talented kids on this front. But you'll also recall this is Hauck's fifth season. There were more than enough guys in the recruiting classes prior to have been developed into players, if they were players to begin with. There were three transfers and a converted D-lineman on the starting five this season. Please, like the QB spot - the O-line is in need of a coach who can actually get the most out of who they can find or already have. They should just stop recruiting HS kids and focus on the kids who got coaching elsewhere in the portal.

I'd be all for mixing it up, but it's not gonna happen with what's in front of the QB's now.

I think the players we have are fine and will do well next year. I will agree that they need to move on from Germer but I think these guys will be a solid unit next year. I thought Chris Walker was the weak link of the line so replacing him with a traditional Tackle will help IMO.

You must have watched a different team than me. The weak link was Brown until he got replaced by Grimsrud. Then it was Casey. Left side was much stronger than the right side, IMHO.

 

[Bok_Choi]

I think the players we have are fine and will do well next year. I will agree that they need to move on from Germer but I think these guys will be a solid unit next year. I thought Chris Walker was the weak link of the line so replacing him with a traditional Tackle will help IMO.

You must have watched a different team than me. The weak link was Brown until he got replaced by Grimsrud. Then it was Casey. Left side was much stronger than the right side, IMHO.

Walker was night and day different by the end of the season. Strong as an ox, with just the right amount of mean-spiritedness. My kind of guy.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Bah! M’yeah, Bobby, develop, Germer, Rosey, dinosaur, OLine, recruiting sucks, Green good, playmakers, transfer, Robby, grumble, RTD, year five, QB, portal, everybody does everything better than us, Bah!

^^^In case someone didn’t read the whole board for the last month, now you’re all caught up.

 

[uofmman1122]

Bah! M’yeah, Bobby, develop, Germer, Rosey, dinosaur, OLine, recruiting sucks, Green good, playmakers, transfer, Robby, grumble, RTD, year five, QB, portal, everybody does everything better than us, Bah!

^^^In case someone didn’t read the whole board for the last month, now you’re all caught up.

Probably gonna be the next 2-3 months, as well, so we can all log off and come back in March :lol:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Bah! M’yeah, Bobby, develop, Germer, Rosey, dinosaur, OLine, recruiting sucks, Green good, playmakers, transfer, Robby, grumble, RTD, year five, QB, portal, everybody does everything better than us, Bah!

^^^In case someone didn’t read the whole board for the last month, now you’re all caught up.

Probably gonna be the next 2-3 months, as well, so we can all log off and come back in March :lol:

Not a bad idea, actually.

 

[bgbigdog]

Bah! M’yeah, Bobby, develop, Germer, Rosey, dinosaur, OLine, recruiting sucks, Green good, playmakers, transfer, Robby, grumble, RTD, year five, QB, portal, everybody does everything better than us, Bah!

^^^In case someone didn’t read the whole board for the last month, now you’re all caught up.

Perhaps it was just an oversight, but where's the mention of players trip to Germany, his insightful piece on cheer squad members in the NFL from Montana, how we're mostly bad fans & idiots, and yeah - totally disappearing after my favorite new football phrase, the "curb-stomping" that occurred in Fargo? Riveting content.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Bah! M’yeah, Bobby, develop, Germer, Rosey, dinosaur, OLine, recruiting sucks, Green good, playmakers, transfer, Robby, grumble, RTD, year five, QB, portal, everybody does everything better than us, Bah!

^^^In case someone didn’t read the whole board for the last month, now you’re all caught up.

Perhaps it was just an oversight, but where's the mention of players trip to Germany, his insightful piece on cheer squad members in the NFL from Montana, how we're mostly bad fans & idiots, and yeah - totally disappearing after my favorite new football phrase, the "curb-stomping" that occurred in Fargo? Riveting content.

:lol: I wasn’t Gap Sound, bah!

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Possible to emulate others?

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2022/12/12/byu-lets-two-strength/