"Pure disrespect!"

[stubbins]

For years, NAU was punished for scheduling schools like Western New Mexico and Fort Lewis. A few years they had the requisite number of wins for playoff consideratin but because one was against lower level competition, they were left out of the conversation. NAU decided this year to not schedule down and look what happened. No good deed goes unpunished. :roll:

EverettGriz - Thank you. I do my best not to be a snarky arsehole here on the internets... it's tough sometimes.

:lol:

Yes, yes it is.

It's damn near impossible you two twits...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

IMO MSU screwed you. They finished the season with 3 losses and they beat you pretty good in Bozeman. Montana's two losses were to 2 teams ranked high and playing very good ball at the end of the year and Montana won handily on the road in Bozo. Head to head in your favor but I think the MSU loss hurt you in the end because they played poorly to finish the year.

I think this is a fair statement. When the opponent(s) you faced when they were playing well go in the dumper later, it drags your numbers down. Of course, it works both ways: Teams can grow and improve over the course of the season. You just hope it all evens out. (But that's where an unbalanced conference schedule can really mess things up.)

To play devils advocate, MSU is the best win for the Griz.

So in turn, is that NAU's worse loss? This would not even be debated if NAU had taken care of business wit the Cats.

Or if UM would have beat NAU...just saying

 

[PlayerRep]

I think this is a fair statement. When the opponent(s) you faced when they were playing well go in the dumper later, it drags your numbers down. Of course, it works both ways: Teams can grow and improve over the course of the season. You just hope it all evens out. (But that's where an unbalanced conference schedule can really mess things up.)

To play devils advocate, MSU is the best win for the Griz.

So in turn, is that NAU's worse loss? This would not even be debated if NAU had taken care of business wit the Cats.

Or if UM would have beat NAU...just saying

Or if NAU would have been rated above UM in any computer rankings/ratings or polls? Just saying. NAU got no respect, because they actually hadn't earned enough respect during the season. As I keep saying, one game doesn't make a season. It's a 12 or 11 game season. I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to understand that.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

To play devils advocate, MSU is the best win for the Griz.

So in turn, is that NAU's worse loss? This would not even be debated if NAU had taken care of business wit the Cats.

Or if UM would have beat NAU...just saying

Or if NAU would have been rated above UM in any computer rankings/ratings or polls? Just saying. NAU got no respect, because they actually hadn't earned enough respect during the season. As I keep saying, one game doesn't make a season. It's a 12 or 11 game season. I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to understand that.

PR, I am just playing devils advocate. But I believe both have valid arguments, and Montana got the nod. It is what it is, and both need to go play football.

 

[MT Jack]

Punished and in the playoffs beats the shit out of sitting at home like last year when you easily could have been in the playoffs. Be grateful for the opportunity and show you belong then you don't have to worry about it, right?

Yes, not getting a seed is much better than not getting into the playoffs. Any day of the week. I'm thrilled to get to drive up the mountain this weekend to hang out in my favorite town with a few friends to watch my alma mater play football.

By the way, just clarifying that my "no good deed goes unpunished" comment was in regards to NAU finally choosing not to schedule a D-2 or NAIA school the year it finally wouldn't count against them.

 

[Mr. Greenjeans]

NAU and UM got what they deserved. Bauman doesn't realize that one game doesn't make a season. The committee looks at the entire season and strength of schedule. The committee knew NAU didn't play EWU. Let's see if NAU can take care of business in the first round. Maybe NAU should concentrate on earning its respect, instead of whining about it.

"Pure disrespect" is what the committee did the MV conference.

NAU not playing Eastern is a not a good argument here, because NAU can't do anything about the conference schedule that is given to them by the BSC office. I do agree with NAU. They go 7-1 in a tough league and a team that they beat and who had less conference wins gets a 1st RD bye and they don't...doesn't make a lot of sense and neither does a 13 team football conference.

This is one big reason why Fullerton needs to grow a spine and tell Idaho that they either join the BSC for "ALL SPORTS" or find a new conference. This would make the BSC a 14 team football league and then you split it up into 2 divisions. 1 Division has UM, MSU, NC, UI, ISU, ND and SD. The other has PSU, CP, NAU, Weber, Sac, SU, and EWU. You have 3 games that are cross division games on a rotation every season, this gives everybody 9 conference games and you setup a point system that will determine a league champion.

I don't get the impression Vandal fans enjoy being an indy that gets smacked ever weekend and goes 1-11 or 2-10.

Just my opinion on all this, but I think it make the BSC stronger, more competitive and force current issues of unfairness out the door when it comes to the BSC and its members.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Not playing EWU completely undercuts the argument that NAU finished higher in the conference than UM. Not playing EWU also undercuts the argument you just make, that NAU played in a "tough league" and number of conference wins. NAU didn't play the top team in the "tough" league. UM did. Had NAU played EWU, NAU would have had another conference loss.

How do you explain that NAU ranks below UM in all computer rankings/ratings and all polls? You seem to think that one win makes a season. It doesn't. The committee considers the entire season. How do you explain NAU's narrow wins? UM had some too, but not as many as NAU. How do you explain NAU's 36-7 loss to MSU, whom UM just beat 28-14?

The Big Sky has invited Idaho multiple times. Idaho doesn't want to come, at least yet. Have you not been paying attention to this?

I don't think you paid much attention to what I wrote or my point. NAU not playing EWU this season was not their fault and they shouldn't be penalized for it. And you can't say for certain if they would have lost to EWU, because they never played each other. So you have no point when it comes to that topic. EWU barely beat PSU at home yesterday and the Griz spanked PSU. Thus why the BSC is a tough football conference and why NAU should not be penalized for not having the opportunity to play the best team in the league. The Griz had more than a few nail-biters on the road this season against Sac and SD and CP at home. It is a tough league from top to bottom and if you go 7-1 in it.... that should count for a lot more than what NAU got credit for in my opinion.

As for Idaho, I'm well aware that they have turned down to join the league for football, thus why Fullerton (Commish of the BSC fyi) should not have allowed them to join for all the other sports in 2014 unless they were going to include football in the deal. That was my point, because a 13 team football league that doesn't give room for the all teams to play each other year in and year out creates this current argument with NAU. Think about if the Griz were placed in the same situation as NAU. I'm sure a lot of opinions on here would change.

You have a relevant point about the unbalanced schedule, it would be unbalanced like the sec and pac, not equal every year, but far better than the rivalry feature in the BSC where we have by far (at this point at least) the toughest rivalry matchups in Ewoo and State College every year. Who are NAU's rivals and yearly opponents? My guess is SUU and UNC (correct me if I'm mistaken anyone), if that is the case they have a distinct advantage record wise until UNC in particular gets better. Agree it's a mess, no way to get around that.

 

[jodcon]

If NAU and Coastal Carolina are unhappy with Montana's seeding why don't they contact the selection committee and ask them for the reasons? They act like it was our doing, we had no input...apparently they had a reason so maybe their AD should contact them.

 

[griz8791]

It's good to be back to listening to fans of programs that average 20-30 people in the stands at their home games whine about the supposedly "unfair" impact on the playoffs of UM averaging 25,000+. These past couple of years it has been like having the waterfall I lived next to my whole life suddenly dry up and go silent. Not directing this at NAU fans specifically; somebody is always pissed when we get home games.

 

[AZGrizFan]

That was my point, because a 13 team football league that doesn't give room for the all teams to play each other year in and year out creates this current argument with NAU. Think about if the Griz were placed in the same situation as NAU. I'm sure a lot of opinions on here would change.

I know of NO ONE who likes the 13-team, unbalanced schedule. But, until the day comes where Montana/Montana State/EWU aren't 3 of the top 4 dogs in the conference then the University of Montana Grizzlies will ALWAYS have the toughest schedule because they're the ONLY team in the conference whose two "rival" games are EWU & MSU. EWU's other rival is PSU, while MSU's other rival is UND. In other words, we'll ALWAYS play 2 of the top 3-4 teams (us being one of the other two)...

 

[TheBud]

I hope they get bounced in the first round

NAU losing would just give people the fuel to talk about how soft and bad the BSC is, I hope NAU wins and sets up an interesting matchup in Cheney the following week.

:thumb:

+1 more.

Go NAU!

 

[fencer24]

It's good to be back to listening to fans of programs that average 20-30 people in the stands at their home games whine about the supposedly "unfair" impact on the playoffs of UM averaging 25,000+. These past couple of years it has been like having the waterfall I lived next to my whole life suddenly dry up and go silent. Not directing this at NAU fans specifically; somebody is always pissed when we get home games.

I've been wondering about the teams that complain because they didn't get a seed. If they are playing at home or away, for most of them, they couldn't tell the difference anyway. There really are only a few schools that home field advantage is an advantage.

 

[dbackjon]

Cause everyone knows the Griz played a horrible game that day and yet for a pair of spectacular fumbles could have still won. He should worry about running over EWU.

LOL. NAU beat the shit out of Montana.


Funny, during the close games in the past few years. when Montana won solely because of Big Sky refs, You jackass Griz fans were crowing how great you are.

Then, when NAU dominates you, it was all luck.

 

[dbackjon]

NAU needed another fcs win. Blame the AD for not putting another fcs game on the schedule. It's his fault.

We played the same number of Division I teams as Montana. Guess we should have played Oklahoma Rodeo Clown College as well.

 

[dbackjon]

NAU had a great season, as have the GRIZ. Quit whining about the GRIZ getting seeded. Had NAU taken care of business in beating MSU they too would be seeded, and likely very highly. I feel both NAU and the GRIZ have should be seeded. Maine and/or McNeese are seeded a little too high in my opinion. Then again, it is nice to be back in the playoffs, and the conference got 4 teams in.

We took care of business against Montana.

Beat TWO playoff teams.

How many playoff teams did Montana beat?


(ZERO)

 

[dbackjon]

What has NAU ever done to earn respect on a national level?

Why should prior seasons matter?

 

[grizcountry420]

Looking forward to SDSU beating NAU in the first round.......

 

[dbackjon]

I have no issue with NAU players and coaches feeling the way they do. It was probably a very close call for the committee. However, directing any of that frustration towards UM's football program and fanbase, as some on BN are doing today, is really unintelligent. Montana had nothing to do with who got seeded where. Those decisions are made by people in Indianapolis last night and this morning. The Griz didn't disrespect ANYBODY.

The team, no.

Quite a few of the fanbase, yes.


The good and realistic Montana fans understand why NAU is upset.

 

[YourMom&Me]

What has NAU ever done to earn respect on a national level?

Why should prior seasons matter?

You NAU fans are right on...you should have gotten the seed. UM pulls a lot of bullshit because of their history. The only team they beat with a winning record was MSU, when MSU was totally falling apart. They barely squeaked by sub .500 teams all season long. If it makes you feel better, the griz are going to be utterly dominated and embarrassed IF they make it to the NDSU game. Take comfort in knowing that the selection committee f#cked you, and that you raped the griz this year...on their own field...

 

['68griz]

That was my point, because a 13 team football league that doesn't give room for the all teams to play each other year in and year out creates this current argument with NAU. Think about if the Griz were placed in the same situation as NAU. I'm sure a lot of opinions on here would change.

I know of NO ONE who likes the 13-team, unbalanced schedule. But, until the day comes where Montana/Montana State/EWU aren't 3 of the top 4 dogs in the conference then the University of Montana Grizzlies will ALWAYS have the toughest schedule because they're the ONLY team in the conference whose two "rival" games are EWU & MSU. EWU's other rival is PSU, while MSU's other rival is UND. In other words, we'll ALWAYS play 2 of the top 3-4 teams (us being one of the other two)...

This!

 

[EverettGriz]

the griz are going to be utterly dominated and embarrassed IF they make it to the NDSU game.

Ohhhh the irony!! Coming from a kitty fan, this is precious. :lol: