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PSU loss

Grizbeer

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I don't think I could stand to rant and rave too much about last night's loss, so instead I will rant and rave about the program. To me it looked liek a rerun of the USF/Jackson St. losses. This team may actually be worse than they were when they lost to Jackson State.

I'm not sure what positives there are for the future of this program. I would like to be excited about next years recruits, but based on how highly ranked this years recruits were I am suspicious of the hype for next years recruits. I have seen Hasquet play, and he looks to be a good player, but he reminds me of Pederson - good player, can shoot the 3, but not dominant inside. Sentinel plays Great Falls (1 vs 2) at Dahlberg before the Griz- EWU game Saturday night - if you haven't seen Haquet play go (I think the game starts at 4:30), post what you think of Hasquet, and restore (or crush) my hope for the future.
 
I have seen Jordan play this year. He is more of a scorer than Ryan P (who I think averaged around 14pts per game in H.S. ) He is also much more athletic and can really jump. Jordan leads MT AA schools in scoring and rebounding this year. Ryan is not a leaper at all. However, he is a very smart BB player. Andrew Strait (West Valley H.S. in Yakima WA.) is rated the 2nd best forward in the WA. by northwesthoops.com He has really upped his scoring this year and was getting serous looks by PAC 10 teams. Matt Martin (Spearfish H.S. point guard) is quite likely to be H.S. player of the year in S.D. He scores a ton and is a good 3 point shooter. He was also named All-state QB in S.D. last fall. Lamar Farr (Northwest CC in Powell Wyo.) is averaging 18 points per game this year and is quite athletic. He plays shooting guard. When recruited, Coach K said he can also play PG. That would really help. Hopefully, we can afford to redhirt all of the H.S. players. Also, if Mike Chavez returns ready to go, that should give us some inside scoring presence that would help take pressure off of Kamarr Davis. Keep the faith! :D
 
Last nights loss was very disappointing. There's still some hope though for making the big sky tournament this year.

The Griz do have some recruits who are having great seasons where they are. Of course Division 1 basketball is a lot different than HS or JC basketball. Anyway, in case anyone is interested here are some of the stats for the recruits and possible recruits.

I've only seen Hasquet play once this year and it was sort of a off game for him. He has put up some pretty impressive numbers this year and can definitely shoot the ball well. Towards the end of January, Hasquet was averaging 24.9ppg and 12.8 rebounds per game. He also averages 4.1 assists, 2.85 blocks and 1.8 steals.

Lamarr Farr (JC from Northwest College) is averaging 18.3 points per game, about 1.5 steals, 3.4 assists, and 5.3 rebounds per game. He supposedly can play PG or SG. In his last 10 games he's averaging 21.5 points and has scored over 30 in 4 of them. He's listed as 6'3" on northwestcollege.edu and a great picture of him dunking it can be found here:
http://www.northwestcollege.edu/athletics/menbball/indexmenball.htm

Matt Martin (6'0" Point guard) who averaged 20.1 points and 4.4 assists per game his junior year in HS at Spearfish HS in SD, is averaging 20.5 points per game (as of 1/29/04). I'm not sure how many assists per game he's averaging now, but I'll try to find out.

Andrew Strait is a 6-8, 215 Forward from West Valley HS in Yakima Washington. In his Junior year he averaged 22.1 points per game and 11.3 rebounds. This year, as of 1/19/04, he was averaging 25.3 points per game and 12 rebounds.

There are also some possible recruits out there if a player who currently has a scholarship doesn't return for the Griz for some reason. Some of note that I've seen on the list at theinsiders, rivals, or on other recruiting sites have been:

Curtis Lincoln, a 5-10 point guard from North Idaho College (JC) who averaged 16.4 points 2.8 steals last year. He's averaging 13.8ppg, 5 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.8 rebounds per game so far this year. He's listed as a 3 star recruit on rivals.com

Lyndale Burleson, a 6-4 (or 6-2 depending on which site you believe) SG/Point guard from Franklin HS in Washington lists Montana as being one of the schools he's interested in. High interest seems to be going to Minnesota though where I think one of his brothers played. I'm not sure there's much chance of the Griz picking him up even if there is a scholarship available for him. If they did though it'd be a huge pickup for the Griz. He's considered one of the best guards in Washington. He's averaging this year 18.5 points per game, 4.5 assists and 3.8 steals per game (as of Jan 16th).

J.R. Reed is one who visited the Griz last year during football season. He's a SF/SG who's averaging somewhere around 16 points, 3 assists, 1.5 steals and 3 rebounds a game. He's on the #13 ranked Yavapai College team.
 
Thanks for the info on recruits. I didn't mean to imply JH was the same talent level as RP, just that he was a big man who tended to mostly position himself shooting the 3 instead of banging inside. Maybe that was a function of the games I saw, as the rebounds per game average is much higher than I would have expected based on the games I went to.

I am not trying to put down any of the recruits in any way, I am sure they are all great - my point is are they the cure to the ills? As I see it, the main problems are 1) lack of a solid point guard, 2) lack of a good inside game, 3) failure to play well as a team, and 4) we have trouble getting more than 2 players a game who play like they want to win - the rest seem to be going through the motions, and 5) the Griz idea of defense is to foul.

It is up to PK to get the team motivated - if a player is not motivated, PK has to deal with it, either by putting his foot up their butt, benching, or kicking them off the team if they don't respond. Obviously a player is goign to have an off day, but at this point most players have fewer on-days than off-days. Maybe he is doing things behind the scenes, and I think he is classy enought that he wouldn't publicly tear down a player, but obviously whatever he is doing isn't working.

As for issues 1 & 2, these need to be addressed either through the offensive plays, or by recruiting. Since they are running the same offense now that they ran at the beggining of the season, only switching players to try to make the offense work, it doesn't look like this is something that can be adjusted, so it has to come from recruiting.

Maybe Lynch or Farr will be good point gaurds next year. I think if Lynch had another year to study under a good point guard eh coudl be great his junior year, but that isn't going to happen. We coudl bring in a JC transfer that is a good pg, but then he will need to spend 1/2 the season getting to know the offense and players.

Chavez will really help when he gets back - he is a legitimate inside player, especailly if he matures a little from last year. Strait sounds like a good player, but is 6-8 big enough, or will he be another sf? It seems like we have an overabundance of sf/sg on the team now, and can't seem to put schemes together to take advantage of it.

I don't really have any answers, only questions. I do think the decision should be made about Kennedy this year, though, and, beleive it or not, I am not against keeping him. But if he does stay, make some real changes, no more band-aids. Bite the bullet this year and next, and work towards a great team in 2 years. Let the young players play now, don't worry about wins and losses, or playing the best players on the team if they won't be here in 2 years. Next year redshirt all or most of the recruits, and give them an extra year to practice and learn how to play together. Put together offensive and defensive schemes that compliment the type of players we have. Sure we would be terrible next year, maybe only win 5 games or so. Think about this - Mansel had a great game on Thursday, but in the end were the Griz better off with him in the game or Lynch in the game? Mansel made sure the Griz had a chance to win, but in the end it was a close loss, with nothing gained for next year. If Lynch had played we might have been blown out, but at least he would have more experience playing with his teammates. Same argument for Pederson and Ventors minutes vs minutes for Dloughy, Easley, and McKay. I'm not saying the young players are better, or would do better, just that they have more years to come together as a team, so let's give them a chance now.

I'm not trying to make excuses for the coaches, but you can't do any of this if you have to prove yourself this year or next - this program needs to rebuild, not reload. either make a committment to rebuild now, or next year will be even worse IMO.
 
Jordan has alot of talent but he is giant among boys and unless he beefs up and learns to shoot his outside shots above his head and not starting from his sholder he will be in trouble. Just my observation. I think Senteial is one of the worst coached teams in the state. With all their talent they should be unbeatable. They are to soft.
 
I went to Sentinel - CMR game yesterday and I agree that Sentinel is poorly coached. They had a decided height advantage over CMR and did not use it. The Hasquet boys, who both had 3 or 4 inches in height over any CMR players, played most the game around the 3 point line. I they had been aggresive and moved inside, Sentinel would have won easily. Jordan Hasquest is a good shooter, but needs to put on muscle and learn how to play inside.
 
Grizbeer said:
Strait sounds like a good player, but is 6-8 big enough, or will he be another sf? It seems like we have an overabundance of sf/sg on the team now, and can't seem to put schemes together to take advantage of it.

6'8" is probably big enough to play power forward. Heck, Easley has been playing center at 6'8" as has Venters.
 
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