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Projected returning starters for the 2025 Griz

BWahlberg said:
Found Luke Flowers dad :ROFLMAO:

In all seriousness I think last year was a futile effort in hoping that KAY would catch fire the same way Cliff did the year before, but injuries had other plans. Then Fife was just such an up and down guy it was hard to rely on him.

My hope is that the 2025 Griz have their planned starting QB in week 1 and don't do the carousel. KAY opened spring ball as the #1 but some minor injury gave way to Jensen who really stepped up over that time. We'll see!
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I think some of the FBS guys come in thinking the FCS isn't as competitive as the FBS, like Fife and others, then they find out they really aren't as good as they thought they were. The Big Sky and Missouri Valley are tough conferences. Give them the same amount of scholarships, and I would go odds on for the FCS teams. That's just me though, and obviously it's hypothetical.
 
Da Boyz Mom said:
Yeah I would have to change mine from Da Boyz Mom to Da Menz Mom if we were going to be fastidious about usernames being currently applicable. Things change, usernames don't. Well, unless you're one of a small group of people around here.
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I changed my screen name when I moved to Vegas from Missoula. I thought it had a ring to it other than the same old GrizFan#whatever tag. Then we moved to Ohio. No d@mn way I change my name to anything Ohio related.
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
I think some of the FBS guys come in thinking the FCS isn't as competitive as the FBS, like Fife and others, then they find out they really aren't as good as they thought they were. The Big Sky and Missouri Valley are tough conferences. Give them the same amount of scholarships, and I would go odds on for the FCS teams. That's just me though, and obviously it's hypothetical.
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In most cases, your top FCS teams starters are gonna be very comparable to many FBS schools. Depth is where we lack. An FBS guy might drop down thinking he’ll start, only to find out, he’s only better then our backups but not our starters.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
In most cases, your top FCS teams starters are gonna be very comparable to many FBS schools. Depth is where we lack. An FBS guy might drop down thinking he’ll start, only to find out, he’s only better then our backups but not our starters.
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Must be why the cats could hardly get anyone in the portal.... their backups were already too good.
 
BWahlberg said:
I think this offense can be its best with a healthy Ah Yat but agreed Jensen brings the intangibles that this staff loves.
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My biggest concerns with Ah Yat are he was also inconsistent, injury prone but mainly it was the PSU game where he couldn't score on the worst rated defense on the Big Sky that planted this seed of doubt I cant shake. I genuinely feel we lose that game if Fife didn't get put in, and he was only put in due to injury.

Ah Yat has alot of upside and I have no ill will towards him but as mentioned I dont have alot of confidence he is the guy. I would like to see Jensen get the start and see what he picked up at USC, I honestly don't see us bringing in a guy who trained for years under what many view as the QB guru in CFB and him not get the nod.
 
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alabamagrizzly said:
In most cases, your top FCS teams starters are gonna be very comparable to many FBS schools. Depth is where we lack. An FBS guy might drop down thinking he’ll start, only to find out, he’s only better then our backups but not our starters.
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Except for MSdUi where everyone knows the backups are better than the starters!😂
 
I think instead of viewing the QB situation last year through the lens of "they were juggling QBs and couldn't decide on one", if you viewed it through the lens of "neither of the QBs were consistent, healthy or good enough to truly be considered the starter", it makes a lot more sense and is, IMO, a lot more accurate to what actually happened.

If that's the case again this year, we'll probably see it again, but I don't think it'll be because the coaches have some issue deciding on who to play.
 
uofmman1122 said:
I think instead of viewing the QB situation last year through the lens of "they were juggling QBs and couldn't decide on one", if you viewed it through the lens of "neither of the QBs were consistent, healthy or good enough to truly be considered the starter", it makes a lot more sense and is, IMO, a lot more accurate to what actually happened.

If that's the case again this year, we'll probably see it again, but I don't think it'll be because the coaches have some issue deciding on who to play.
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I've not understood why people are creating this narrative that Bobby loves 2-QB systems. I think Clif pushed his way in and really took the reins, but that was because of him not because Bobby wants to be alternating QBs. I agree with your assessment, and I've heard that Ah Yat's injuries were a pretty big part of the equation last year.

In his entire career, though, we don't see Hauck teams alternating QBs unless I am greatly forgetting something.
 
ElrodGrizzly said:
I've not understood why people are creating this narrative that Bobby loves 2-QB systems. I think Clif pushed his way in and really took the reins, but that was because of him not because Bobby wants to be alternating QBs. I agree with your assessment, and I've heard that Ah Yat's injuries were a pretty big part of the equation last year.

In his entire career, though, we don't see Hauck teams alternating QBs unless I am greatly forgetting something.
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I just think Bobby wants to play favorites and winning takes a backseat...
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I just think Bobby wants to play favorites and winning takes a backseat...
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That feels like Bobby. Totally in line with everything we know about him. (sarcasm, in case that was missed).

I'm trying to bicker less on here, but man, anyone who thinks that Bobby wouldn't give his left arm for a national championship before he retires is just not living in reality.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I just think Bobby wants to play favorites and winning takes a backseat...
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It's literally only been Selle and Roper in '09, Vidlak and McDowell in '23, and Ah Yat and Fife last year.

'09 was probably the only one I would classify as not knowing who to go with and riding both until one differentiated himself.

'23 was a combination of one guy looking much better before the season, and one guy growing into the role as the season went on because the other guy couldn't get it done.

Last year was exactly what I said. Injuries, inconsistencies, and two guy who just weren't as good as we needed them to be.

This is not a staff with a pattern of "not knowing who to start at QB".
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's literally only been Selle and Roper in '09, Vidlak and McDowell in '23, and Ah Yat and Fife last year.

'09 was probably the only one I would classify as not knowing who to go with and riding both until one differentiated himself.

'23 was a combination of one guy looking much better before the season, and one guy growing into the role as the season went on because the other guy couldn't get it done.

Last year was exactly what I said. Injuries, inconsistencies, and two guy who just weren't as good as we needed them to be.

This is not a staff with a pattern of "not knowing who to start at QB".
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Agreed. It is an odd short memory thing that a lot of people seem to have with this staff.
 
uofmman1122 said:
It's literally only been Selle and Roper in '09, Vidlak and McDowell in '23, and Ah Yat and Fife last year.

'09 was probably the only one I would classify as not knowing who to go with and riding both until one differentiated himself.

'23 was a combination of one guy looking much better before the season, and one guy growing into the role as the season went on because the other guy couldn't get it done.

Last year was exactly what I said. Injuries, inconsistencies, and two guy who just weren't as good as we needed them to be.

This is not a staff with a pattern of "not knowing who to start at QB".
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Maybe because it's been that way now two years in a row (regardless of reason?)
 
There’s definitely some recency bias to it. I think if you throw in not having anyone behind Lucas Johnson who could take the reigns, or Cam when he was getting banged up the end of that season, there is just a lot of dissatisfaction with how the QB room has played out. Even in 23 that run was because of our defense and junior. The offense regressed in that playoff run as the opposition talent got better.

That being said if you keep tearing young guys down and aren’t willing to experience some growing pains you’ll never develop a multi year starter.
 
uofmman1122 said:
My point is that it hasn't been like that. 2024 and 2023 were very different if you look at what was going on below the surface level of "they played 2 QBs".
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Well, and it's colored by the fact that Bobby had adamantly stated for two straight fall camps that he was going to employ a two-quarterback system "unless someone steps up and takes the reigns." Which, McDowell did in 2023 and neither QB did in 2024.

But Bobby has talked about the headaches two-QB systems give defenses — and he's referring to Sac State and Montana State against his team — for the last two seasons in a row pretty consistently before last year becoming defiant about the whole QB situation.

Speaking of - Coach Marty had some interesting things to say about the Griz position battles, specifically QB, on Nuanez Now on Wednesday.

 
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