Post Game: Humbling loss

[Fahque]

The 4th and goal was a bad call because the Jacks were pushing the defense around earlier. Take the 3 point and live to play another day.
Catsrback...great post.

UM had just driven 86 yards in just over 5 minutes. UM had the momentum. NAU's defense was not pushing UM around on that drive. Again, I'm fine with call. Kicking a FG from the 2 at that point in the game would have been a very conservative, and wimpy, call.

Man I fu*king hate agreeing with you and its kinda sick that you of all people are the only one that gets it.............but you are 100% correct.

Its very telling that we lost by 18 points and these guys are complaining about one FG. NAU missed a FG so it evened out. Hell looking back at the game even if we score a TD on that play we still lose because they physically kicked our asses.

It was a great call and still is.

When someone was pointing out last week that you and I were agreeing on something, I almost posted that we probably agree on alot of things about football, but just don't want to admit that we agree with each other. I also think you're funny--occasionally.

Get a room

 

[AZGrizFan]

I attended the game, and here are my observations.

Our offensive line is vastly over-rated. They are big, slow-footed behemoths, but get schooled routinely by agile quick D-linemen.

Delaney is a disaster as a head coach. He risked the entire season by keeping JJ in the game late in the 4th quarter. JJ was eating carpet on every play, in a game that was clearly over, and could have easily been injured for the season.

How long will it take Delaney to recognize that SSH is not, and never will be, good enough to play QB at this level? Total waste of a valuable scholarship.

The two-O-coordinator system is a ridiculous! What, is Delaney, at 73, trying to start a new trend by having two of them? Kyfence (or whatever his name is, it sure doesn't rhyme with Offense) had the worst play-calling I can ever remember. We should have POUNDED the ball on the ground from the get-go, which would have stifled their pass rush, and opened up the passing game.

Montana's passing game is too slow to develop, with multiple fakes and too much play-action. Hell, by the time JJ FINALLY looked downfield, the defenders were all over him.

We were totally out-coached by Souers in this game.

The Griz team lacked emotion from the opening KO, and acted like they did not want to be there.

Our special teams are undisciplined, and frankly awful, once again this season. Shaw had little time to punt every time, and it was a miracle that he did not get one blocked. Who gets a PF penalty on a kick-off when the ball is kicked beyond the end zone? Oh, I forgot, Montana does.

Part of the problem on defense is that the players spend too much time looking at Greg... trying to figure out what they are supposed to be doing just before the ball is snapped. There were plays in which our secondary was lost out there, because the defensive signal came in only 3-4 seconds before the ball was snapped. This resulted in broken coverages and wide open receivers.

Outside of Coyle and Tripp, most of the other back 7 seven players are very poor tacklers.

Bauman will be playing on Sundays next year.

Canada needs to sit. He has had a fumbling problem his entire career. Counts should be starting, with Van used as a receiver from multiple formations, including reverses.

While Henderson runs great routes, and is our best receiver, his hands are questionable. He had crucial drops against NAU.

Delaney needs to be told NOW that he will not be returning, and our AD needs to be covertly starting the search for a new head coach, who should be hired immediately after the season, so that recruiting will not be effected.

There is no assistant coach at UM who should be considered for the head job next year. Go outside to hire the new coach. New blood is needed badly, and has been needed for year.

Where were you when we were putting up 30 on App State? or 55 on UND? :roll: :roll:

Althought I will agree with ONE point: SSH needs to find a different way to pay for college.

 

[rimrockgriz]

I attended the game, and here are my observations.

Our offensive line is vastly over-rated. They are big, slow-footed behemoths, but get schooled routinely by agile quick D-linemen.

Delaney is a disaster as a head coach. He risked the entire season by keeping JJ in the game late in the 4th quarter. JJ was eating carpet on every play, in a game that was clearly over, and could have easily been injured for the season.

How long will it take Delaney to recognize that SSH is not, and never will be, good enough to play QB at this level? Total waste of a valuable scholarship.

The two-O-coordinator system is a ridiculous! What, is Delaney, at 73, trying to start a new trend by having two of them? Kyfence (or whatever his name is, it sure doesn't rhyme with Offense) had the worst play-calling I can ever remember. We should have POUNDED the ball on the ground from the get-go, which would have stifled their pass rush, and opened up the passing game.

Montana's passing game is too slow to develop, with multiple fakes and too much play-action. Hell, by the time JJ FINALLY looked downfield, the defenders were all over him.

We were totally out-coached by Souers in this game.

The Griz team lacked emotion from the opening KO, and acted like they did not want to be there.

Our special teams are undisciplined, and frankly awful, once again this season. Shaw had little time to punt every time, and it was a miracle that he did not get one blocked. Who gets a PF penalty on a kick-off when the ball is kicked beyond the end zone? Oh, I forgot, Montana does.

Part of the problem on defense is that the players spend too much time looking at Greg... trying to figure out what they are supposed to be doing just before the ball is snapped. There were plays in which our secondary was lost out there, because the defensive signal came in only 3-4 seconds before the ball was snapped. This resulted in broken coverages and wide open receivers.

Outside of Coyle and Tripp, most of the other back 7 seven players are very poor tacklers.

Bauman will be playing on Sundays next year.

Canada needs to sit. He has had a fumbling problem his entire career. Counts should be starting, with Van used as a receiver from multiple formations, including reverses.

While Henderson runs great routes, and is our best receiver, his hands are questionable. He had crucial drops against NAU.

Delaney needs to be told NOW that he will not be returning, and our AD needs to be covertly starting the search for a new head coach, who should be hired immediately after the season, so that recruiting will not be effected.

There is no assistant coach at UM who should be considered for the head job next year. Go outside to hire the new coach. New blood is needed badly, and has been needed for year.

Where were you when we were putting up 30 on App State? or 55 on UND? :roll: :roll:

Althought I will agree with ONE point: SSH needs to find a different way to pay for college.

UND gave up over 50+ a game in September... :roll: :roll: :egriz:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Where were you when we were putting up 30 on App State? or 55 on UND? :roll: :roll:

Althought I will agree with ONE point: SSH needs to find a different way to pay for college.

UND gave up over 50+ a game in September... :roll: :roll: :egriz:

I'm well aware of that. But if she's such a genius, why wasn't she preaching the ills of this team/coaching staff before we actually lost a game?

We're 3-1 for God's sake. This isn't the end of the world. Anyone who thought we were going to go undefeated is delusional.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Where were you when we were putting up 30 on App State? or 55 on UND? :roll: :roll:

Althought I will agree with ONE point: SSH needs to find a different way to pay for college.

UND gave up over 50+ a game in September... :roll: :roll: :egriz:

I'm well aware of that. But if she's such a genius, why wasn't she preaching the ills of this team/coaching staff before we actually lost a game?

We're 3-1 for God's sake. This isn't the end of the world. Anyone who thought we were going to go undefeated is delusional.

There's a ton of people that have been questioning this coaching staff since day one and have not wavered... I personally thought the obtaining our "Q" would absolve most of the deficiencies. I'm getting nervous after sitting three rows behind the griz bench on Sat. and watching them under fire...and I'm not talking the players out on the sprint turf. I picked us at 9-3 last spring and still remain hopeful. :egriz:

 

[grizaremoregooder]

I thought the Griz should have taken the points on the J.J. fumble but I can see why they went for it. Even if they didn't get the touchdown you have N.A.U. pinned inside the 5 yard line with 2 1/2 minutes to go and all of your time outs. No one could have predicted a fumble in that situation. Coaches look great if the team scores a touchdown really bad if the other team picks up a fumble and runs it in for a touchdown. Turnovers killed the Grizzlies this week plain and simple that is not the coaches fault. PSU is better than NAU IMO better get ready for a war this weekend because that is what it will be.

 

[BWahlberg]

Good 'ol Growler returns

I attended the game, and here are my observations.

Our offensive line is vastly over-rated. They are big, slow-footed behemoths, but get schooled routinely by agile quick D-linemen.

They had a pretty bad game, mostly it seemed it was Schmaing and Poole that were having the most issues. Those two are the lighter/quicker of the Oline as well. The "bigger" side, Poehls and Kistler protected and blocked much better. I won't make any excuses for the O-line as they had a bad day but they had a great day against a fairly athletic App St D-line. I'm not ready to write these guys off yet at all.

Delaney is a disaster as a head coach. He risked the entire season by keeping JJ in the game late in the 4th quarter. JJ was eating carpet on every play, in a game that was clearly over, and could have easily been injured for the season.

Maybe Delaney was upset with the teams performance so he wanted the 1st unit to push through? I was worried as well about injury to any of our starters but given the way the game was unfolding I don't necessarily blame Delaney for wanting to push his 1st string to keep competing out there

How long will it take Delaney to recognize that SSH is not, and never will be, good enough to play QB at this level? Total waste of a valuable scholarship.

Kind of an ignorant post. What makes you assume he's even on a scholarship? A majority of Montana kids are just on a smaller/reduced one, if even one at all.

The two-O-coordinator system is a ridiculous! What, is Delaney, at 73, trying to start a new trend by having two of them? Kyfence (or whatever his name is, it sure doesn't rhyme with Offense) had the worst play-calling I can ever remember. We should have POUNDED the ball on the ground from the get-go, which would have stifled their pass rush, and opened up the passing game.

Nevermind that over the first 4 games we've got one of the best scoring offenses in the nation. It was a real bad game and I thought many of the play calls were questionable. I wanted to see more running the ball and quicker passing plays myself. Worst play calling you can remember? You must not have been a fan last year?

Outside of Coyle and Tripp, most of the other back 7 seven players are very poor tacklers.

Tully has improved quite a bit as well as Hermanson, but of course we were without Hermey.

Bauman will be playing on Sundays next year.

Doubt it. A practice squad maybe.

Canada needs to sit. He has had a fumbling problem his entire career. Counts should be starting, with Van used as a receiver from multiple formations, including reverses.

Yep, bench your two best running backs, intelligent idea.

While Henderson runs great routes, and is our best receiver, his hands are questionable. He had crucial drops against NAU.

I recall two deep passes where on the initial play I thought he should have had it. One was up the sideline where the NAU corner grabs his arm as the ball is coming in. Henderson argues for PI afterwards. I don't think it was PI as the defender was doing that right as the ball arrived. The other one was a deep ball where Jordy was off-target and Hendu tried to adjust to get to the ball and dived for it but didn't haul it in. Based on each situation calling his hands "questionable" doesn't make sense, putting in context the events of each play reveals that.

Delaney needs to be told NOW that he will not be returning, and our AD needs to be covertly starting the search for a new head coach, who should be hired immediately after the season, so that recruiting will not be effected.

3-1 is so unacceptable. We should certainly tell a coach who lost 1 game he's going to get fired. Great idea dumbass.

There is no assistant coach at UM who should be considered for the head job next year. Go outside to hire the new coach. New blood is needed badly, and has been needed for year.

See above comment.

 

[ranco]

UM had just driven 86 yards in just over 5 minutes. UM had the momentum. NAU's defense was not pushing UM around on that drive. Again, I'm fine with call. Kicking a FG from the 2 at that point in the game would have been a very conservative, and wimpy, call.

Man I fu*king hate agreeing with you and its kinda sick that you of all people are the only one that gets it.............but you are 100% correct.

Its very telling that we lost by 18 points and these guys are complaining about one FG. NAU missed a FG so it evened out. Hell looking back at the game even if we score a TD on that play we still lose because they physically kicked our asses.

It was a great call and still is.

you and PR are dead wrong on the call. You take the points, its a no brainer. going for it was an act of desparation showing the coaching staff had panicked at NAU's quick start. I'm not sure if it would have any difference in the outcome though, because they in fact kicked our butts all over the field, especially in the 4th quarter.

Nope, you are dead wrong in saying that taking the FG is the clear right call. There is no way to expect that there's going to be a fumble and 98 yard return for TD by the opponent. A FG near the goal line is an admission that UM doesn't have enough confidence to punch it in, and to hold on D and force a punt if it isn't punched in. There were over 2 minutes to go at that point, and UM had timeouts. Could have forced a punt, saved time with timeouts, and gotten ball back in good FB position. Also, NAU could have turned it over, had a punt blocked, or had a bad punt from its endzone.

you just made my point why kicking the FG was a no brainer. We take the three, kick off with enough time to get the ball back and potentially make it 14-9 or 14-13 at the half. Instead, the coaches panicked....

 

[rimrockgriz]

Good 'ol Growler returns

I attended the game, and here are my observations.

Our offensive line is vastly over-rated. They are big, slow-footed behemoths, but get schooled routinely by agile quick D-linemen.

They had a pretty bad game, mostly it seemed it was Schmaing and Poole that were having the most issues. Those two are the lighter/quicker of the Oline as well. The "bigger" side, Poehls and Kistler protected and blocked much better. I won't make any excuses for the O-line as they had a bad day but they had a great day against a fairly athletic App St D-line. I'm not ready to write these guys off yet at all.

Delaney is a disaster as a head coach. He risked the entire season by keeping JJ in the game late in the 4th quarter. JJ was eating carpet on every play, in a game that was clearly over, and could have easily been injured for the season.

Maybe Delaney was upset with the teams performance so he wanted the 1st unit to push through? I was worried as well about injury to any of our starters but given the way the game was unfolding I don't necessarily blame Delaney for wanting to push his 1st string to keep competing out there

How long will it take Delaney to recognize that SSH is not, and never will be, good enough to play QB at this level? Total waste of a valuable scholarship.

Kind of an ignorant post. What makes you assume he's even on a scholarship? A majority of Montana kids are just on a smaller/reduced one, if even one at all.

The two-O-coordinator system is a ridiculous! What, is Delaney, at 73, trying to start a new trend by having two of them? Kyfence (or whatever his name is, it sure doesn't rhyme with Offense) had the worst play-calling I can ever remember. We should have POUNDED the ball on the ground from the get-go, which would have stifled their pass rush, and opened up the passing game.

Nevermind that over the first 4 games we've got one of the best scoring offenses in the nation. It was a real bad game and I thought many of the play calls were questionable. I wanted to see more running the ball and quicker passing plays myself. Worst play calling you can remember? You must not have been a fan last year?

Outside of Coyle and Tripp, most of the other back 7 seven players are very poor tacklers.

Tully has improved quite a bit as well as Hermanson, but of course we were without Hermey.

Bauman will be playing on Sundays next year.

Doubt it. A practice squad maybe.

Canada needs to sit. He has had a fumbling problem his entire career. Counts should be starting, with Van used as a receiver from multiple formations, including reverses.

Yep, bench your two best running backs, intelligent idea.

While Henderson runs great routes, and is our best receiver, his hands are questionable. He had crucial drops against NAU.

I recall two deep passes where on the initial play I thought he should have had it. One was up the sideline where the NAU corner grabs his arm as the ball is coming in. Henderson argues for PI afterwards. I don't think it was PI as the defender was doing that right as the ball arrived. The other one was a deep ball where Jordy was off-target and Hendu tried to adjust to get to the ball and dived for it but didn't haul it in. Based on each situation calling his hands "questionable" doesn't make sense, putting in context the events of each play reveals that.

Delaney needs to be told NOW that he will not be returning, and our AD needs to be covertly starting the search for a new head coach, who should be hired immediately after the season, so that recruiting will not be effected.

3-1 is so unacceptable. We should certainly tell a coach who lost 1 game he's going to get fired. Great idea dumbass.

There is no assistant coach at UM who should be considered for the head job next year. Go outside to hire the new coach. New blood is needed badly, and has been needed for year.

See above comment.

Brint you're in business... in Missoula...you are an enabler and you always will be as long as the circumstances are the "status quo" You are an outstanding poster but your comments will always be censored.... :egriz: :egriz:

 

[BWahlberg]

Brint you're in business... in Missoula...you are an enabler and you always will be as long as the circumstances are the "status quo" You are an outstanding poster but your comments will always be censored.... :egriz: :egriz:

Censored? How so? Because I put my name behind every post I make?

 

[Proud Griz Man]

Tackling today on defense was bad. Like... 2012 bad. I'm no expert but I don't think that hitting guys with your shoulder and head down or arms folded in is the best way to stop NAU. Lots of plays where Bauman or even the WRs would bounce off a few of these "knock down" attempt tackles and get more yardage.

- I can't help but wonder the loss of Hermanson and what that did for the defense. His position is the "QB" of the defense. There were A LOT of plays where the defense looked confused, guys running around to get in place, NAU players wide open (like Bauman repeatedly, how do you ever leave him uncovered?)

UM played without Hermy, but still had Tully and replaced Hermy with some experienced players (they were not freshmen).

Look at this picture (below) and judge our tackling technique:

 

[BWahlberg]

Yeah pretty bad photo, the first two drives were gross. The D cleaned it up though, it was the offense that kept spotting NAU points and couldn't get going.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The Griz should win every game where the defense holds the opposing offense to 2 TD's and 2 FG's. Period.

Then again, you're not going to win many games losing three fumbles (two returned for TD's) and giving up 5 sacks.

 

[BWahlberg]

The Griz should win every game where the defense holds the opposing offense to 2 TD's and 2 FG's. Period.

Then again, you're not going to win many games losing three fumbles (two returned for TD's) and giving up 5 sacks.

Bingo. The defense opened poorly giving up two quick scores but after that only allowed 6 more points. I would say in any situation if your defense can hold a team to 20 total points that should put the team in a position to win.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

The defense seems to open up soft in every game. I am not sure what it is but the opponent can come out take short passing routes and march up the field to score making the Griz down by seven from the get go.
On the flip side the offense seems to open up and go for a long gainer in the first possession. I am not sure that makes sense either.

 

[hollybear]

Good 'ol Growler returns

I attended the game, and here are my observations.

Our offensive line is vastly over-rated. They are big, slow-footed behemoths, but get schooled routinely by agile quick D-linemen.

They had a pretty bad game, mostly it seemed it was Schmaing and Poole that were having the most issues. Those two are the lighter/quicker of the Oline as well. The "bigger" side, Poehls and Kistler protected and blocked much better. I won't make any excuses for the O-line as they had a bad day but they had a great day against a fairly athletic App St D-line. I'm not ready to write these guys off yet at all.

Delaney is a disaster as a head coach. He risked the entire season by keeping JJ in the game late in the 4th quarter. JJ was eating carpet on every play, in a game that was clearly over, and could have easily been injured for the season.

Maybe Delaney was upset with the teams performance so he wanted the 1st unit to push through? I was worried as well about injury to any of our starters but given the way the game was unfolding I don't necessarily blame Delaney for wanting to push his 1st string to keep competing out there

How long will it take Delaney to recognize that SSH is not, and never will be, good enough to play QB at this level? Total waste of a valuable scholarship.

Kind of an ignorant post. What makes you assume he's even on a scholarship? A majority of Montana kids are just on a smaller/reduced one, if even one at all.

The two-O-coordinator system is a ridiculous! What, is Delaney, at 73, trying to start a new trend by having two of them? Kyfence (or whatever his name is, it sure doesn't rhyme with Offense) had the worst play-calling I can ever remember. We should have POUNDED the ball on the ground from the get-go, which would have stifled their pass rush, and opened up the passing game.

Nevermind that over the first 4 games we've got one of the best scoring offenses in the nation. It was a real bad game and I thought many of the play calls were questionable. I wanted to see more running the ball and quicker passing plays myself. Worst play calling you can remember? You must not have been a fan last year?

Outside of Coyle and Tripp, most of the other back 7 seven players are very poor tacklers.

Tully has improved quite a bit as well as Hermanson, but of course we were without Hermey.

Bauman will be playing on Sundays next year.

Doubt it. A practice squad maybe.

Canada needs to sit. He has had a fumbling problem his entire career. Counts should be starting, with Van used as a receiver from multiple formations, including reverses.

Yep, bench your two best running backs, intelligent idea.

While Henderson runs great routes, and is our best receiver, his hands are questionable. He had crucial drops against NAU.

I recall two deep passes where on the initial play I thought he should have had it. One was up the sideline where the NAU corner grabs his arm as the ball is coming in. Henderson argues for PI afterwards. I don't think it was PI as the defender was doing that right as the ball arrived. The other one was a deep ball where Jordy was off-target and Hendu tried to adjust to get to the ball and dived for it but didn't haul it in. Based on each situation calling his hands "questionable" doesn't make sense, putting in context the events of each play reveals that.

Delaney needs to be told NOW that he will not be returning, and our AD needs to be covertly starting the search for a new head coach, who should be hired immediately after the season, so that recruiting will not be effected.

3-1 is so unacceptable. We should certainly tell a coach who lost 1 game he's going to get fired. Great idea dumbass.

There is no assistant coach at UM who should be considered for the head job next year. Go outside to hire the new coach. New blood is needed badly, and has been needed for year.

See above comment.

Brint you're in business... in Missoula...you are an enabler and you always will be as long as the circumstances are the "status quo" You are an outstanding poster but your comments will always be censored.... :egriz: :egriz:

You should never question The Chosen One. He has preferred status on egriz. Can even call people dumbasses with impunity! Don't you you know that his astute observations are 100% correct, and those who have actually played or coached the game know nothing compared to his highness? He used to be quite humble on this board a few years ago, but as his minion sheep lined up to tell him how wonderful and smart he is, he is now so esteemed as an expert that he gets his own special section each week to educate all of us. Rumor has it that Mel Kiper will be interviewing Brint to join his team of football analysis gurus.

One wonders why he wastes his time trying to schlep houses, when he could be making millions educating the nation about football. I think he has missed his calling for sure. Must be because he can't get his nose far enough out of a Griz coaches' arse to go for national exposure.

 

[BWahlberg]

Steve Dill table of 1

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

Dill, I highly doubt you've ever played the game or have coached either. Your past posts clearly indicate that you know little about football and you generate your opinion off of unstable emotion. Funny how you don't even know that the dual o coordinator concept is nothing new and is implemented at many other programs. I won't get started on your player analysis. Asking boosters to make monetary threats for change? Do this program a favor and pick your ass somewhere else.

 

[BWahlberg]

Notice how Dill claims his points are valid yet cannot defend my actual posts which discredit much of what he posted.

Dill logic requires that when given a counter-argument to personally attack posters rather than actually defend his original point. And then wonder why everyone thinks he's nuts on here. Gee I wonder... haha

 

[BWahlberg]

Again: substance please Mr Dill. All you can do is make personal attacks apparently. You wonder why no one takes you seriously? This is why. You call out players individually, make veiled threats, and attack posters and call them names.

And still, I'm waiting on your reply to why my post is wrong, however I know it's not coming.