Post Game: Embarassing

[CatsRback]

I don’t know where this assumption came from that UM was going to be all that and a bag of chips this fall? At what point in the off-season did someone think… this team will be better than last year? There were no major changes, you lost talent, and your OC is about as complacent as can be. I’m not even trying to be a D*ck im just genuinely curious if someone could tell me when they had this thought during the off-season of “we are going to dominate the BSC” and why.

Yea, this may not be UM’s decade. This isn’t a boast. I get it’s cyclical, but what about this year screamed domination for some? I’m truly curious.

I don't recall anyone thinking we would dominate the conference. But we have a favorable conference schedule and seemed to be set up well to have most of our hard games at home. The season isn't over yet dude. It's one bad game.

That’s a fair perspective. Maybe it’s just those like hoops shouting from the roof tops. I don’t disagree, but a close game with Butler, Ferris state, now this, you can only say it’s one bad game once.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

I don’t know where this assumption came from that UM was going to be all that and a bag of chips this fall? At what point in the off-season did someone think… this team will be better than last year? There were no major changes, you lost talent, and your OC is about as complacent as can be. I’m not even trying to be a D*ck im just genuinely curious if someone could tell me when they had this thought during the off-season of “we are going to dominate the BSC” and why.

Yea, this may not be UM’s decade. This isn’t a boast. I get it’s cyclical, but what about this year screamed domination for some? I’m truly curious.

There was less than a handful of fans who thought that the Griz were going to be all that and a bag of chips this year. Deep down most of us were worried. And we probably bought the hype that we were going to have a better o. line this year, so it gave us HOPE. Did it ever occur to you that the more that cat fans come on here and give us absolute crap, the more we're going to stand up for our team even if we don't really believe it? Well never mind I can see that you don't really understand human psychology.

But the bigger question is why do you care? Why are you here on a night when your team decimated what was supposed to be a good Weber State team? Are you on the Weber State board berating their fans because they had the audacity to hope and dream that they would have a good team this year? It's called being a fan. The Cats mediocre years aren't that far in the past so surely you can't have forgotten already. And even if you don't think that you're coming off as an absolute jerk, you're the one with zero self awareness. IF there were Griz fans who went on bobcat Nation telling everyone that the Griz were going to be fantastic world beaters this year, then yes you have a point in chastising and mocking them. But coming on here and doing that is just suicidal. Just stop.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

I don’t know where this assumption came from that UM was going to be all that and a bag of chips this fall? At what point in the off-season did someone think… this team will be better than last year? There were no major changes, you lost talent, and your OC is about as complacent as can be. I’m not even trying to be a D*ck im just genuinely curious if someone could tell me when they had this thought during the off-season of “we are going to dominate the BSC” and why.

Yea, this may not be UM’s decade. This isn’t a boast. I get it’s cyclical, but what about this year screamed domination for some? I’m truly curious.

I don't recall anyone thinking we would dominate the conference. But we have a favorable conference schedule and seemed to be set up well to have most of our hard games at home. The season isn't over yet dude. It's one bad game.

It’s been a few bad games. Lackluster against Butler and Ferris, then everyone was MIA for NAU. This offense has had 3 of 4 games be bad. Something has got to give. Can you honestly say that this staff will figure it out before the Griz get embarrassed at the hands of Idaho, Davis, Sac, or the cats? What about ISU? There is not a lot of hope anymore.

Hauck even said this team isn’t as good as last year. They barely squeaked into the playoffs. This team will be 5-6 if they are lucky.

 

[CatsRback]

I don’t know where this assumption came from that UM was going to be all that and a bag of chips this fall? At what point in the off-season did someone think… this team will be better than last year? There were no major changes, you lost talent, and your OC is about as complacent as can be. I’m not even trying to be a D*ck im just genuinely curious if someone could tell me when they had this thought during the off-season of “we are going to dominate the BSC” and why.

Yea, this may not be UM’s decade. This isn’t a boast. I get it’s cyclical, but what about this year screamed domination for some? I’m truly curious.

There was less than a handful of fans who thought that the Griz were going to be all that and a bag of chips this year. Deep down most of us were worried. And we probably bought the hype that we were going to have a better o. line this year, so it gave us HOPE. Did it ever occur to you that the more that cat fans come on here and give us absolute crap, the more we're going to stand up for our team even if we don't really believe it? Well never mind I can see that you don't really understand human psychology.

But the bigger question is why do you care? Why are you here on a night when your team decimated what was supposed to be a good Weber State team? Are you on the Weber State board berating their fans because they had the audacity to hope and dream that they would have a good team this year? It's called being a fan. The Cats mediocre years aren't that far in the past so surely you can't have forgotten already. And even if you don't think that you're coming off as an absolute jerk, you're the one with zero self awareness. IF there were Griz fans who went on bobcat Nation telling everyone that the Griz were going to be fantastic world beaters this year, then yes you have a point in chastising and mocking them. But coming on here and doing that is just suicidal. Just stop.

It’s an FCS message board. I can have a differing opinion. Look at my posts. Sorry not sorry I don’t agree with you. But my comment asking about why some bought the hype should be the least of your concerns but I’m glad you get to play moral high ground and police/ degrade me instead of policing some of your posters who eat their own. Yea, I’ll always be the scape goat for this board going wild. But if you ever decide to add a little awareness to your tool belt. You’ll see I’m genuinely curious and if you treat me with an ounce of respect I’ll reciprocate. But when I have an opinion and someone only replies with “you’re drunk” or “wanna bet a million dollars” you bet I put the kid gloves on and there’s no professional dialog.

Hopes fine, have hope. You can say that and I’ll say ok cool. All I did was ask a question. No need to get in your feelings and try to drag me down with you.

As to your why do I care question: Because I can? Because I’m genuinely curious the vibe in UM, because I’m an FCS fan and you guys are the most active fan board in the FCS. (And the most colorful I may add).

 

[indian-outlaw]

I don't recall anyone thinking we would dominate the conference. But we have a favorable conference schedule and seemed to be set up well to have most of our hard games at home. The season isn't over yet dude. It's one bad game.

It’s been a few bad games. Lackluster against Butler and Ferris, then everyone was MIA for NAU. This offense has had 3 of 4 games be bad. Something has got to give. Can you honestly say that this staff will figure it out before the Griz get embarrassed at the hands of Idaho, Davis, Sac, or the cats? What about ISU? There is not a lot of hope anymore.

Hauck even said this team isn’t as good as last year. They barely squeaked into the playoffs. This team will be 5-6 if they are lucky.

It's no secret that I can't stand Hauck and I think Pease is nothing short of completely incompetent. I said that the minute Rosenbaugh and Pease signed on to Haucks staff. Pease has to go if Hauck wants to salvage any semblance of a respectable season.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

It’s been a few bad games. Lackluster against Butler and Ferris, then everyone was MIA for NAU. This offense has had 3 of 4 games be bad. Something has got to give. Can you honestly say that this staff will figure it out before the Griz get embarrassed at the hands of Idaho, Davis, Sac, or the cats? What about ISU? There is not a lot of hope anymore.

Hauck even said this team isn’t as good as last year. They barely squeaked into the playoffs. This team will be 5-6 if they are lucky.

It's no secret that I can't stand Hauck and I think Pease is nothing short of completely incompetent. I said that the minute Rosenbaugh and Pease signed on to Haucks staff. Pease has to go if Hauck wants to salvage any semblance of a respectable season.

Agreed!

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

There was less than a handful of fans who thought that the Griz were going to be all that and a bag of chips this year. Deep down most of us were worried. And we probably bought the hype that we were going to have a better o. line this year, so it gave us HOPE. Did it ever occur to you that the more that cat fans come on here and give us absolute crap, the more we're going to stand up for our team even if we don't really believe it? Well never mind I can see that you don't really understand human psychology.

But the bigger question is why do you care? Why are you here on a night when your team decimated what was supposed to be a good Weber State team? Are you on the Weber State board berating their fans because they had the audacity to hope and dream that they would have a good team this year? It's called being a fan. The Cats mediocre years aren't that far in the past so surely you can't have forgotten already. And even if you don't think that you're coming off as an absolute jerk, you're the one with zero self awareness. IF there were Griz fans who went on bobcat Nation telling everyone that the Griz were going to be fantastic world beaters this year, then yes you have a point in chastising and mocking them. But coming on here and doing that is just suicidal. Just stop.

It’s an FCS message board. I can have a differing opinion. Look at my posts. Sorry not sorry I don’t agree with you. But my comment asking about why some bought the hype should be the least of your concerns but I’m glad you get to play moral high ground and police/ degrade me instead of policing some of your posters who eat their own. Yea, I’ll always be the scape goat for this board going wild. But if you ever decide to add a little awareness to your tool belt. You’ll see I’m genuinely curious and if you treat me with an ounce of respect I’ll reciprocate. But when I have an opinion and someone only replies with “you’re drunk” or “wanna bet a million dollars” you bet I put the kid gloves on and there’s no professional dialog.

Hopes fine, have hope. You can say that and I’ll say ok cool. All I did was ask a question. No need to get in your feelings and try to drag me down with you.

As to your why do I care question: Because I can? Because I’m genuinely curious the vibe in UM, because I’m an FCS fan and you guys are the most active fan board in the FCS. (And the most colorful I may add).

Maybe put the shoe on the other foot for just one single second. If during the years when YOUR team was absolute trash and the Griz were beating you EVERY year, how would your fellow cat fans have liked a bunch of Griz posters coming on your board and spouting the exact same things that you and your compatriots have said to us over the last several weeks? I can tell you how that would go because it wouldn't. Those posters wouldn't be allowed to say those things on YOUR board.

Yes we have our own fair share of idiot fans. Yes they say a lot of stupid stuff. But it is after all a GRIZ message board not a general FCS message board. Surely you can tell the difference.

As for treating you with respect, respect is earned. I've been on this board for 20 years with the same username. Everyone here knows who I am. I'm probably one of the nicest people on here. But I've had it. You and your other cat fans have ruined egriz for me. Congratulations.

 

[GrizGuy]

The 17 point favorites Montana Grizzlies hit the road this weekend and absolutely fell flat. They were shell shocked right away. The defense was baffled most of the game by a true freshman NAU QB and a running game that shoved the front line around. The offense looked… well… as we’ve seen. Inefficient, full of errors, and unable to execute. The running game was totally shut down and QB play wasn’t at a level that was needed to win a road game against a (previously) winless team.

The margin for error with this season and this team was slim already and now Montana has put themselves even further behind. With games against Davis, Sac, Idaho, Portland, and MSU looming – right now I see 0 wins in that slate. There’s time to correct and save this but now Montana needs to make ground against teams that are looking/playing/coaching better than they are right now.

I’m really frustrated. This was such a disappointing loss. In a week where many heavyweight teams were duking it out Montana was SUPPOSED to have a good road test but a game they should have walked away with a win. Now with this loss they’ll tumble almost all the way out of the top 25, already find themselves behind in conference standings, and have so many unanswered questions that I don’t know have a quick solution.

My observations:

- The Grizzly offensive line was dominated today. The veteran group that needed to play its best, simply didn’t. They were shoved back all day. The QB was under pressure up the middle and on the edges. The most veteran group on this offense that HAS to preform every week simply didn’t. Near end of the 1st half the OL gets blown off the ball and on a needed 3rd and 1 – Harris loses 4. Then with 6 minutes to go in the game with a shred of hope left, needing a short game, again there’s no running lanes and it’s a turnover on downs. Where does this group go from here? Can it be fixed?

- 6 years / 5 seasons and Montana just doesn’t have that solution at QB. Dalton Sneed (when healthy) was great. Beyond that it just seems the Griz have been so lost at that position. I don’t blame Vidlak or McDowell for this poor performance on offense, Vidlak flashes great potential but probably isn’t fully ready for the job. McDowell is best in the zone read (from what I’ve seen) but when the run game isn’t there… what do you do? This was a situation that we’ve been in for a few years now. How does this get fixed? NAU rolled out a freshman QB that outperformed today. How does a school like NAU do that over us? It SHOULDN’T happen. Vidlak needs to play with more urgency in the pocket.

- The pass defense had too many big shots given up and were fooled to often once again. This has happened every single week. It’s on film, in 4 weeks there’s been continual deep shots down field that have been allowed. I’m no expert, I have no idea how this can be fixed, is it possible? What can be changed to limit this?

- Trevin Gradney secures his 4th pick in 4 games, how awesome. Then… when needed, later in the game, he’s on the sideline at times. Did he get hurt? Are we just sticking with a plan for rotation? If he’s one of your leaders and studs on defense, in a game where you’re having issues with a pass offense, why is he off the field when needed?

- Credit NAU (I think) for taking Junior Bergen out of this game. This guy needs double digit touches… and I don’t think got them today.

- Montana’s special teams once again forced errors and swung points in the favor of their opponent. A blocked punt sets up a short field TD, then a missed PAT.

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I don’t think I’m being too dramatic to say this is one of the worst losses under either of Hauck’s tenures. I can think of some others, 2003 NDSU, 2008 Weber, 2018 MSU. But man… this one just feels like there’s an absolute mountain of poop coming our way the rest of this season. I’m not feeling positive at all and you guys know I try to find the silver lining here.

That said… 2008 Weber State was just about as ugly and gross of loss. That team found it’s identity from that loss and went on a run. I’m going to need more convincing to think this Montana team has that type of rebound in them, but who knows.

This post is a big vent, this team needs to dig deep and find it’s real identity, is this a .500 squad or can they rally from this sh*t sandwich of a game and find a winning streak? The margin for error is even thinner and Montana now has to rebound fast. While I’m upset, disappointed, and frustrated – I’m not giving up on these guys. You’ll find me at Wa Griz this weekend, I’m not pulling any support, and I want these guys to all succeed. Where do we go from here? Fans, I know we’re all upset – let it out, lets blast this crap game into the sun and get back after it.

go griz

Well said. I’m Griz til I die. But wow, what a pathetic offense. And today all three phases of the game just weren’t good. I don’t get how it’s happening at all.

 

[Otis77]

It's impossible to have watched that game and think "we have better athletes than our opponents".

We just don't.

It feels like all the lackluster recruiting is getting exposed this year in particular.

Why would kids rather play on a high school field over the best stadium and atmosphere at this level?

Seems like they don’t want to play for our old Dinosaur staff

I believe there are talented athletes that would like to play here given the facilities and support. What I wonder is do these athletes want to play for this coaching staff?

 

[cmtgrizzly]

I won’t try to predict how the rest of the season will go. Maybe we will “figure it out” and win a bunch of games including some that we “shouldn’t”.

What I am pretty sure of is Bobby Hauck is convinced to his core that there is one way to be a winning football team and win championships offensively. Smash you with the o-line and running game and then open up the passing game to build/extend a lead and then crush you with the run game again and run out the clock. If he can’t win that way he isn’t going to win because he doesn’t believe you can be a true championship team otherwise. Meaning he ain’t changing. To him if they aren’t winning it isn’t because of the style of play it is because the coaches and players aren’t “executing”. It is hard to argue with because alot of the successful teams (NDSU, SDSU) do seem to utilize that strategy. Cats crush you too but a little differently. In any case, I don’t think you should expect any significant change in play calling regardless of whether we have the ability to execute or not. I really think he will die on that hill. Similarly I would not expect a big change from the 3-3-5 on defense. If you do see a significant change you can bet Bobby is really feeling the pressure and I don’t think it would bode well for his future as the head coach at UM.

 

[griznative24]

There was a whole lot of downward momentum before Hauck came back. That kind of momentum is tough to stop. It can be seen in our enrollment numbers as well. Bodner has a tough job as does Hauck in turning that around. It is very possible neither will make it to see the end and a return to prior success. Athletic programs are cyclic. The good programs can slow the frequency and make the good times last longer before the inevitable down turn and can make the down turn less deep. We are clearly on a down turn and I absolutely believe we have not yet seen the nadir. If you are a fan of UM you are just going to have to ride the wave and stay hopeful. Could be awhile.

Bodnar was a failing ceo, and got hired at a failing university, and runs it like a failing business. This isnt that hard.

 

[griznative24]

I don’t know where this assumption came from that UM was going to be all that and a bag of chips this fall? At what point in the off-season did someone think… this team will be better than last year? There were no major changes, you lost talent, and your OC is about as complacent as can be. I’m not even trying to be a D*ck im just genuinely curious if someone could tell me when they had this thought during the off-season of “we are going to dominate the BSC” and why.

Yea, this may not be UM’s decade. This isn’t a boast. I get it’s cyclical, but what about this year screamed domination for some? I’m truly curious.

I don't recall anyone thinking we would dominate the conference. But we have a favorable conference schedule and seemed to be set up well to have most of our hard games at home. The season isn't over yet dude. It's one bad game.

Does UofM pay you to write this shit?

 

[G-RIZZLE]

I miss the days of knowing the griz were gonna get the win.There is no excuse with the facilities available as well as the talent...this staff doesn't deserve them. I feel bad for the players they deserve better. I feel most of the staff is there for a paycheck instead of the bigger picture. The o line is one of the "most experienced" in the big sky but one wouldn't know. It's gonna be tough recruiting if this trend continues.

 

[fltheadgriz]

I said it previously but will expound on it.
With Vidlak the coaches are putting a round peg into a square hole. The OL looks flat when Vidlak is in.
When McDowell was in for the one series that we got the TD, the OL line looke alive and the running game ws there.
The Griz get a quick TD with McDowell,,,, why in the blue blazes send him to ghe bench for the rest of the game? Ride that horse!!!!!!!

 

[Allezchat]

Maybe put the shoe on the other foot for just one single second. If during the years when YOUR team was absolute trash and the Griz were beating you EVERY year, how would your fellow cat fans have liked a bunch of Griz posters coming on your board and spouting the exact same things that you and your compatriots have.

they were. I became a Cat fan at the end of the streak. And let me tell you it was ugly. Real ugly.

Look for the most part I like to come here and learn about your team. Ask questions. Learn what's going on in your program. Add my respectful commentary. Sometimes exchange in some witty repartee. There are a couple of us. Sure there are some bad apples. But it goes both ways and on both message boards.

I realize last night everything was raw and ripped open. When you're feeling really low its easy to lash out and think every Cat poster is out to get you. We're not.

I like you. Hopefully after a good night's sleep you are feeling better. It's a beautiful Montana fall day.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I don't recall anyone thinking we would dominate the conference. But we have a favorable conference schedule and seemed to be set up well to have most of our hard games at home. The season isn't over yet dude. It's one bad game.

That’s a fair perspective. Maybe it’s just those like hoops shouting from the roof tops. I don’t disagree, but a close game with Butler, Ferris state, now this, you can only say it’s one bad game once.

I still think Ferris is a good team. But this has become a trend. Griz were allegedly trying to “find their way” and figure out what they had through the OOC. Well, here we are…and it turns out they’re either still lost or don’t know what they have or how to use it.

I fear it’s gonna be a long season. But honestly, it may be just what the program needs to be forced to finally make a change.

 

[AZGrizFan]

There was less than a handful of fans who thought that the Griz were going to be all that and a bag of chips this year. Deep down most of us were worried. And we probably bought the hype that we were going to have a better o. line this year, so it gave us HOPE. Did it ever occur to you that the more that cat fans come on here and give us absolute crap, the more we're going to stand up for our team even if we don't really believe it? Well never mind I can see that you don't really understand human psychology.

But the bigger question is why do you care? Why are you here on a night when your team decimated what was supposed to be a good Weber State team? Are you on the Weber State board berating their fans because they had the audacity to hope and dream that they would have a good team this year? It's called being a fan. The Cats mediocre years aren't that far in the past so surely you can't have forgotten already. And even if you don't think that you're coming off as an absolute jerk, you're the one with zero self awareness. IF there were Griz fans who went on bobcat Nation telling everyone that the Griz were going to be fantastic world beaters this year, then yes you have a point in chastising and mocking them. But coming on here and doing that is just suicidal. Just stop.

It’s an FCS message board. I can have a differing opinion. Look at my posts. Sorry not sorry I don’t agree with you. But my comment asking about why some bought the hype should be the least of your concerns but I’m glad you get to play moral high ground and police/ degrade me instead of policing some of your posters who eat their own. Yea, I’ll always be the scape goat for this board going wild. But if you ever decide to add a little awareness to your tool belt. You’ll see I’m genuinely curious and if you treat me with an ounce of respect I’ll reciprocate. But when I have an opinion and someone only replies with “you’re drunk” or “wanna bet a million dollars” you bet I put the kid gloves on and there’s no professional dialog.

Hopes fine, have hope. You can say that and I’ll say ok cool. All I did was ask a question. No need to get in your feelings and try to drag me down with you.

As to your why do I care question: Because I can? Because I’m genuinely curious the vibe in UM, because I’m an FCS fan and you guys are the most active fan board in the FCS. (And the most colorful I may add).

Hey drunk poster, wanna bet a million dollars???

 

[Allezchat]

Bodnar was a failing ceo, and got hired at a failing university, and runs it like a failing business. This isnt that hard.

He's had one year of rising enrollment right? In almost a decade? I never have understood how people think he's been successful in his position. Granted I don't see alot of the day to day. There's been a lot of his decisions I scratch my head at. But then noone is paying me to run a university.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Bodnar was a failing ceo, and got hired at a failing university, and runs it like a failing business. This isnt that hard.

He's had one year of rising enrollment right? In almost a decade? I never have understood how people think he's been successful in his position. Granted I don't see alot of the day to day. There's been a lot of his decisions I scratch my head at. But then noone is paying me to run a university.

I think he inherited a bigger pile of shit than Bobby did. I’m willing to give him a longer rope. And i have no idea how “success” is measured in that arena, so I can’t envision a scenario where the BOR (or whoever the ruling body is) fires him.

 

[Allezchat]

That’s a fair perspective. Maybe it’s just those like hoops shouting from the roof tops. I don’t disagree, but a close game with Butler, Ferris state, now this, you can only say it’s one bad game once.

I still think Ferris is a good team. But this has become a trend. Griz were allegedly trying to “find their way” and figure out what they had through the OOC. Well, here we are…and it turns out they’re either still lost or don’t know what they have or how to use it.

I fear it’s gonna be a long season. But honestly, it may be just what the program needs to be forced to finally make a change.

I know it's all about matchups...but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how Dixie state could lose so big to the griz, then beat NAU by a large margin, but then the griz lose last night.

The more and more I think about it the more I think that Ferris coach was really lobbying for the job. I said it as a joke after the Ferris game, but I'm not joking anymore. If he's not your next head coach it's a failure by the administration. Either that or it should be Andy Thompson. If he can be pulled away from California.