Post Game: A beatdown and now playoff bound

[grizindabox]

I guess 75 knows what a 1 deep zone is, or a 3 deep zone, or 2 deep man under. Did you look at how the defenses changed by opponent or by situation? Did you look at how defenses played each QB...because they played them differently. You want to criticize Stitt for all the long passes he kept having Simis throw at PSU...did it ever occur to you that Stitt was upset because of the decisions made by Simis and his misreads and his continued effort to throw long all the time....it seems not....

 

[grizindabox]

Also, there were multiple posters that listed multiple basic things to look at....from defensive alignments, to how a cb played the wr, to what the safeties did in certain situations, to if the QB was able to locate a secondary receiver, etc. But you wanted to disregard all of this information.

That's the slick lie here. "Multiple basic things to look at" was a nice generality. There was no "specific information." None whatsoever. It was all hot air. When I asked you to be specific, you went silent. I can also say there are "multiple basic things to look at." There. See how that works? I used actual data, which did, in fact, exist in the real world. You relied on platitudes.

And based on your real world espn game summary that was available at the time, who would you have started at QB the last 2 games.....and don't say Gus because you would be full of shit....because we all know that statistically Simis had a better good game and a not as terrible bad game...so he was statistically the better choice....does this sum it up...

Why don't you resurrect the other thread, where you whined and complained at length that the stats were invalid because of football's "complexity." Why are you on this thread? Trolling? You did a good job of it there, but as I said there, the statistical data did not provide a clear picture. You seem to have a problem with that. It's probably self-inflicted. When I asked you 'how" your analysis of "complexity" offered any actual information, you went silent, unable to support your contentions. That's trolling. And you're doing it again.

Actually I said you metric lacked real validity since it was based solely on stats that summarized the game and what happens in the complexity of each play, and the result of such complexity, does not translate to a summary of game stats. The stats summarize what happen....but it does not explain why it happened....

 

[grizindabox]

out

/drops mic

 

[UMGriz75]

I guess 75 knows what a 1 deep zone is, or a 3 deep zone, or 2 deep man under. Did you look at how the defenses changed by opponent or by situation? Did you look at how defenses played each QB...because they played them differently. You want to criticize Stitt for all the long passes he kept having Simis throw at PSU...did it ever occur to you that Stitt was upset because of the decisions made by Simis and his misreads and his continued effort to throw long all the time....it seems not....

As noted on the other thread, when challenged to demonstrate how any of these "observations" supported any given point you might have been trying desperately to make, you had none. You had no idea, even using your own metrics.

It was a childish trolling game, now brought forward to another thread, ironically using platitudes already discussed. "Did it ever occur to you ...". Actually, yes, I discussed that. Naturally, when you got humiliated over stats and tried to change the discussion, the usual playground "oh yeah well about something else?," you couldn't fabricate my position fast enough, as that was the preferable alternative to trying to explain what you were advocating which was based on a mysterious "complexity" that you could not elaborate on when challenged.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't think 75 knows the difference between a 2 deep man under and a hole in the ground. It seems he thinks that defenses are a one size fit all item, statistically speaking of course.

 

[UMGriz75]

I don't think 75 knows the difference between a 2 deep man under and a hole in the ground. It seems he thinks that defenses are a one size fit all item, statistically speaking of course.

Nope. As a former sports reporter and sports editor, I would have no professional reasons to know any of that. Statistically speaking. You, on the the other hand, read about it in the newspaper, right?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't think 75 knows the difference between a 2 deep man under and a hole in the ground. It seems he thinks that defenses are a one size fit all item, statistically speaking of course.

Nope. As a former sports reporter and sports editor, I would have no professional reasons to know any of that. Statistically speaking. You, on the the other hand, read about it in the newspaper, right?

You seem more like the business/economics reporter type. And no, I actually played the game.

 

[UMGriz75]

And no, I actually played the game.

I did too until the infamous day -- to me -- my face was planted in the mud with some number of heavier gentlemen sitting on on my head, and I reflected seriously on the experience. But, it was one of the reasons I got the job initially as Sports Reporter, under the tutelage of the Montana Standard's now retired Sports Editor Bruce Sayler. Good guess on the business/economics. I did, much later on, get an MBA, after the JD.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

And no, I actually played the game.

I did too until the infamous day -- to me -- my face was planted in the mud with some number of heavier gentlemen sitting on on my head, and I reflected seriously on the experience. But, it was one of the reasons I got the job initially as Sports Reporter, under the tutelage of the Montana Standard's now retired Sports Editor Bruce Sayler. I did, much later on, get an MBA, after the JD.

Ol' Bruce got kicked right in the nut sack by Lee.

 

[UMGriz75]

Ol' Bruce got kicked right in the nut sack by Lee.

Everyone did, eventually.

 

[griz=fun]

I wasn't going to post, but reading the sugar-coated drivel that Wally predictably spewed needs a rebuttal. I watched the game with two former high school coaches, and one former college assistant coaches, all old guys now. They were shaking their heads in disbelief at Stitt's second half play-calling.

Wally has been bloviating about how our coaching staff out-coached Baldwin and Ash. Please Wally, Stitt couldn't out-coach the Sentinel head guy! Since all of you seem to get Griz-amnesia, I will remind you that we should be undefeated in the Big Sky, except for two little losses to bottom dwellers, both on our home field, in which Stitt's Little Grizzly coaching calls cost us both games!

Our wins against EWU and MSU were done on the field, when superior athletes out-blocked and out-tackled our opposition. The coaching was pedestrian, at best. Example. While all of you are salivating about our great win over the Cats, let me remind you just how bad the Cats are. In a very weak Big Sky conference, they can't even get one of the 4 playoff bids! They are no better than a top 50 team nationally! So, beating them down was no big accomplishment! Their defense is almost as bad as EWU's! They couldn't stop a powder-puff flag football team!

But it was "no balls Bob" coaching which allowed the Cats a chance to get back into the game in the second half! Hell, the Cats had no answer for stopping us in the first half. So, what does Bob do??? He decides to play not-to-lose, running the ball up the freakin' middle for no gain every time we got possession, giving the Cats back the ball time and gain to do the only thing that they do pretty well.... score points. With Brady at QB, there is no "zone read", so our running game, which is the weakest part of our offense, is reduced to runs up the middle. If Stitt keeps running our normal offense, we score 80 points and the Cats are annihilated and never in the game! But no! "no balls Bob" wants to make sure that MSU has a chance to compete, so he facilitates it with his gutless play calling! Sorry Stitt fans, this guy is over his head coaching at this level. And you will witness it in the playoffs, and again next year. Bottom line..... beating EWU and the Cats is no major accomplishment this year. Both are way down in talent. Now comes the playoffs, where we get to play some real teams.

Wally, you out-did your yourself with your latest Kool-Aid infused re-cap post. But then, that's what sugar-coaters do. They are satisfied with the end result, and incapable of dissecting the game. And when the attempt to do so, we are provided good comedic relief! But, for a dumbed-down fan base, I suppose that is enough. Expectations for our football team are not what they used to be. But just wait until Stitt "gets his players in place"....... I'm sure we will become an elite program again then!!!

I guess I'm a "dumbed down" fan base. Probably should forfeit my season tickets next year.

I'm as open to read what you analyze post game, and provide as a scouting report pregame, as anyone. Any suggestions for beating SDSU Saturday? We go in with what we have, what would you do to set up us for the win?

Where do you coach?

 

[get'em_griz]

Brady clearly is the better quarterback, but 75 and statistics...

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

A lot of people have mentioned that ROOT SPORTS tv commercial that aired all season, the one where Prukop said that last years Brawl of the Wild is "burned into my memory" and that in 2015 "I will be ready"...and that "I've had years of preparation".

His brain must have combust after this current memory. :thumb:

He represents his school, that's for sure. The bluster, the braggadocio, he was causing some internal unhappiness with it all as he was basically saying that he was just that much better than Jake Bleskin, and couldn't wait for the chance to prove it, as the game would have turned out differently last year. Bleskin is well-liked, and that wasn't sitting too well. And of course, Cat fans were pumping it all up that both QBs would be starting QBs anywhere else in the top half of the FCS.

Well, after the hype about being an "elite" program and having convinced themselves that they were, that has all really come crashing down this season, and the bad news really started with last year's 34-7 thumping in Missoula. Prukop's been starting for most of the games, but this year's record does not demonstrate that he's any better than Bleskin, and the program hardly has a claim to be an "elite" program in the FCS when it finishes in the bottom half of the BSC. With its 1st string QB.

The handwriting is pretty clear. Momentum is one of those things that sustains successful business and elite programs and Cat fans realize that there is no momentum. The air has gone out of the tires. They lost yet again, in front of a handful of potential recruits on site, and all the rest of them on TV.

They've put a ton of money into facilities, put over-the-top psychological investment in how good they thought they were, put themselves in an elite position they never actually reached, and blam, they are at the bottom of the heap, and no one has any decent excuses to offer. The QB thinks he's the hottest thing since Johnny Unitas, and the fan base thinks so too. The facilities are pretty decent, but now it seems like a different team belongs in them.

It's more than a "beatdown."

I think the QB is way over rated. He's a pretty good player, but nowhere the second coming of Joe Namath or Joe Montana that he's made out to be. Look at his record, he's beaten nobody.

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