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[mtgrizrule]

Yep I was bummed all year about Autry but not shocked. Adams makes sense too.
We need another big , but it may be too late.

Granted, after losing Qvale, usually I would be concerned about our bigs. I am less concerned about our bigs now, than when we lost Strait. I like the combination of Selvig, Reader, Hutchison, and Ward. However, it would be nice to have one more big, in event of injury.

Selvig will improve his consistency, his length is huge for our defense, and his passing takes pressure off our guards.

Hutchison runs the court well, even with a bum knee. He has great instincts for the ball, gets great position, and will rebound. A lot of intangibles to like about him.

Reader is agile for a big, and with experience can become a shotblocker, runs the court well too. The little I seen of him, his post moves, and soft touch remind me of a taller, more athletic Strait. If he stays healthy he will be a 2 time all conference player.

Ward can score, solid rebounder, but struggles against big posts. As this past season progressed, Tinkle smartly pulled him away for the paint, and utilized his nice mid range jumper. To be honest, I believe he can hit a few 3's per game too. Defensively, if we keep him from guarding brute low post players, he is solid.

I also like that we have some perimeter players capable of scoring from the paint consistently, if and when, push comes to shove. Art Steward and Kareem Jamar can post up any SG or SF, and rebound well from either position. Cherry can also board well from the guard spots. IF anything, my paint concerns are more on the defensive end, and depth.

 

[Evizzerate]

Good analysis. There's something about Hutch that makes me less confident he is going to be a major factor.
I like the kid and have to tell myself he is only a RS Freshman. He did shock me at times with his ability to run the floor. My comment on needing a big is also for depth. Selvig has to stay healthy, then I think it's Reader for scoring down low but he may have some foul trouble. Against big opposition all we have then is Hutch. I love Wards game too and against smaller line ups he will do fine. The other reason for another big guy is so Wayne isn't tempted to move Weisner down low.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Good analysis. There's something about Hutch that makes me less confident he is going to be a major factor.
I like the kid and have to tell myself he is only a RS Freshman. He did shock me at times with his ability to run the floor. My comment on needing a big is also for depth. Selvig has to stay healthy, then I think it's Reader for scoring down low but he may have some foul trouble. Against big opposition all we have then is Hutch. I love Wards game too and against smaller line ups he will do fine. The other reason for another big guy is so Wayne isn't tempted to move Weisner down low.

WOW, I completely agree with you about the depth, and even more so on the Weisner comment. :thumb: I have high hopes for Weisner from the perimeter.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Excellent discussion/analysis on this thread, mtgrizrule & Evizzerate. I'm hesitant to speculate too much until WT gets his roster solidified... but there's likely a reason why guards & wings remain the recruiting focus. I know this: If the Griz young bigs implement a solid summer training regimen, we're going to be ok in the front court (both Hi & Lo).

 

[mtgrizrule]

Reading between the lines here.....GJ, is this your way of hinting to us we will be seeing any combination of the following?

(1) Selvig and Ward being involved in more high post sets.

(2) Hutch and Reader in double low sets

(3) A lot more trapping and pressure to utilize more depth

(4) More points coming from defense to offense in transition

By the way Tinkle has been recruiting the last few years, I have been wondering about that. If Richardson and Gregory are ready to contribute as Freshman, I can see this taking place. If not, we need a vast improvement from Stockton, and Wood to run with Cherry. Personally, I want to see a lot more of Jamar at SG or Point Forward, Steward and Weisner at SF.

I absolutely love the versatility and games of Jamar and Steward.

For the GRIZ to run and press, it takes a solid 4 guard rotation. It will be a good sign, if we see these things early from the team.

 

[GrizWhiz]

GIven what appears to be no emphasis on big man recruiting this spring, I suspect Weisner may see some time at the power forward position.

 

[Growler1]

Good analysis. There's something about Hutch that makes me less confident he is going to be a major factor.
I like the kid and have to tell myself he is only a RS Freshman. He did shock me at times with his ability to run the floor. My comment on needing a big is also for depth. Selvig has to stay healthy, then I think it's Reader for scoring down low but he may have some foul trouble. Against big opposition all we have then is Hutch. I love Wards game too and against smaller line ups he will do fine. The other reason for another big guy is so Wayne isn't tempted to move Weisner down low.

Selvig is not a big. He is a 7-footer who plays like a two-guard.

 

[grizzlyjournal]

Reading between the lines here.....GJ, is this your way of hinting to us we will be seeing any combination of the following?

(1) Selvig and Ward being involved in more high post sets.

(2) Hutch and Reader in double low sets

(3) A lot more trapping and pressure to utilize more depth

(4) More points coming from defense to offense in transition

MTGRIZRULE: You posit some interesting speculation regarding next year’s Griz. But, no, I wasn’t hinting (between any lines) at any of your four points. I was looking back at last year, where an argument can be made that all 11 of Montana’s losses are statistically linked to a struggling perimeter game. Montana’s 3-pt. shooting average in those 11 losses was 26%, compared to a 32% 3pt average for their opponents. Additionally, Brian Qvale averaged 3 points under his season average (15) in those losses... not a huge spread, admittedly, but indicative that opponents slapped tight zones or doubles on BQ and dared the Griz to shoot from outside.

Secondly, I think that -- despite the graduation of one of the top 5 big men in the history of Montana hoops in Brian Qvale -- the Griz will return the dominant frontcourt in the Big Sky in Selvig, Ward, Steward, Hutchison and Reader. The big ifs are whether BR and EH have productive summer training regimens. I strongly believe the potential is there.

Thirdly, I think it’s possible that incoming assistant Johnathan Metzger-Jones could have an impact on the look & style of Griz BB like Bill Evans did two years ago... That hire is evidence enough of Montana’s steady transition to lot of the things you mention in your points 3 & 4.

Lastly, I personally think that current wing & backcourt returnees learned a lot and will make for a better Griz perimeter game next year... but it’s obvious that new recruits might have a huge impact. I think M. Weisner, as GrizWhiz has noted, is likely to have an impact.

Otherwise, I’ll let others on this board speculate regarding any roster changes.

Regarding your other points?

• Selvig has shown he’s capable of playing very well with his back to the basket in the low blocks. I’ll be interested to see if he stays at pf or works on polishing his post game. Ward is probably the best mid-range shooter on the team and is capable of double-digit averages from the high post... as a starter or as 6th man. I expect a breakout year from him.

• It might be fun to see the return of some of the old Monty-era Griz double low sets... Naaaah.

• I have no doubt that WT will continue to transform the Griz with quicker, more athletic wings and guards (ref. my comments on Metzger-Jones above), but I think you answer that well enough with your thoughts on Montana’s current backcourt players.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I appreciate the analysis GJ. I think of the points mentioned the most difficult to figure out, is how will Selvig be used this season? A lot of that depends on the development of Hutchison, Ward, and Reader.

I honestly feel the GRIZ will be great this coming season. I just do not see how they cannot improve on shooting from last season?

I have faith Tinkle has DEFENSE as a staple in his program, regardless of what kind of defense we have to play or personnel. Cherry can only be healthier. Providing he takes the time off to let his ankles get healthy again. I have a feeling Kareem Jamar will take his game to over 12 points per game, but believe is capable of over 15 ppg next season.

If either Gregory and/or Henderson develop as Freshman like Cherry and Jamar did, that will be huge. They both look like very aggressive and strong players for incoming Freshmen.

 

[GrizLA]

Reading between the lines here.....GJ, is this your way of hinting to us we will be seeing any combination of the following?

(1) Selvig and Ward being involved in more high post sets.

(2) Hutch and Reader in double low sets

(3) A lot more trapping and pressure to utilize more depth

(4) More points coming from defense to offense in transition

MTGRIZRULE: You posit some interesting speculation regarding next year’s Griz. But, no, I wasn’t hinting (between any lines) at any of your four points. I was looking back at last year, where an argument can be made that all 11 of Montana’s losses are statistically linked to a struggling perimeter game. Montana’s 3-pt. shooting average in those 11 losses was 26%, compared to a 32% 3pt average for their opponents. Additionally, Brian Qvale averaged 3 points under his season average (15) in those losses... not a huge spread, admittedly, but indicative that opponents slapped tight zones or doubles on BQ and dared the Griz to shoot from outside.

Secondly, I think that -- despite the graduation of one of the top 5 big men in the history of Montana hoops in Brian Qvale -- the Griz will return the dominant frontcourt in the Big Sky in Selvig, Ward, Steward, Hutchison and Reader. The big ifs are whether BR and EH have productive summer training regimens. I strongly believe the potential is there.

Thirdly, I think it’s possible that incoming assistant Johnathan Metzger-Jones could have an impact on the look & style of Griz BB like Bill Evans did two years ago... That hire is evidence enough of Montana’s steady transition to lot of the things you mention in your points 3 & 4.

Lastly, I personally think that current wing & backcourt returnees learned a lot and will make for a better Griz perimeter game next year... but it’s obvious that new recruits might have a huge impact. I think M. Weisner, as GrizWhiz has noted, is likely to have an impact.

Otherwise, I’ll let others on this board speculate regarding any roster changes.

Regarding your other points?

• Selvig has shown he’s capable of playing very well with his back to the basket in the low blocks. I’ll be interested to see if he stays at pf or works on polishing his post game. Ward is probably the best mid-range shooter on the team and is capable of double-digit averages from the high post... as a starter or as 6th man. I expect a breakout year from him.

• It might be fun to see the return of some of the old Monty-era Griz double low sets... Naaaah.

• I have no doubt that WT will continue to transform the Griz with quicker, more athletic wings and guards (ref. my comments on Metzger-Jones above), but I think you answer that well enough with your thoughts on Montana’s current backcourt players.

I agree with most of what you say, BUT, at least 3 of those losses were the result of missed free throws. And, sadly, I see Selvig as a very average player on his good nights, and a detriment most of the time..hopefully, that will change....

 

[Growler1]

Reading between the lines here.....GJ, is this your way of hinting to us we will be seeing any combination of the following?

(1) Selvig and Ward being involved in more high post sets.

(2) Hutch and Reader in double low sets

(3) A lot more trapping and pressure to utilize more depth

(4) More points coming from defense to offense in transition

MTGRIZRULE: You posit some interesting speculation regarding next year’s Griz. But, no, I wasn’t hinting (between any lines) at any of your four points. I was looking back at last year, where an argument can be made that all 11 of Montana’s losses are statistically linked to a struggling perimeter game. Montana’s 3-pt. shooting average in those 11 losses was 26%, compared to a 32% 3pt average for their opponents. Additionally, Brian Qvale averaged 3 points under his season average (15) in those losses... not a huge spread, admittedly, but indicative that opponents slapped tight zones or doubles on BQ and dared the Griz to shoot from outside.

Secondly, I think that -- despite the graduation of one of the top 5 big men in the history of Montana hoops in Brian Qvale -- the Griz will return the dominant frontcourt in the Big Sky in Selvig, Ward, Steward, Hutchison and Reader. The big ifs are whether BR and EH have productive summer training regimens. I strongly believe the potential is there.

Thirdly, I think it’s possible that incoming assistant Johnathan Metzger-Jones could have an impact on the look & style of Griz BB like Bill Evans did two years ago... That hire is evidence enough of Montana’s steady transition to lot of the things you mention in your points 3 & 4.

Lastly, I personally think that current wing & backcourt returnees learned a lot and will make for a better Griz perimeter game next year... but it’s obvious that new recruits might have a huge impact. I think M. Weisner, as GrizWhiz has noted, is likely to have an impact.

Otherwise, I’ll let others on this board speculate regarding any roster changes.

Regarding your other points?

• Selvig has shown he’s capable of playing very well with his back to the basket in the low blocks. I’ll be interested to see if he stays at pf or works on polishing his post game. Ward is probably the best mid-range shooter on the team and is capable of double-digit averages from the high post... as a starter or as 6th man. I expect a breakout year from him.

• It might be fun to see the return of some of the old Monty-era Griz double low sets... Naaaah.

• I have no doubt that WT will continue to transform the Griz with quicker, more athletic wings and guards (ref. my comments on Metzger-Jones above), but I think you answer that well enough with your thoughts on Montana’s current backcourt players.

What??? You think Selvig is effective with his back to the basket? What are you smoking? He has zero post-up game. He frail and gets muscled routinely. His talents are limited to being a good spot-up 3-point shooter, and good passer (when he just passes, and does not try to dribble).

 

[ilovethecats]

while a case could be made that selvig isn't effective near the basket that is usually because his ability to shoot the three for a big guy gains all the attention. people assume because he likes to shoot threes that he didn't do anything else. however, when you look closely at his game, a case could also be made that he is your best ALL AROUND player. he was basically second in every relevant stat. he was your best three point shooter. second in rebounds. second in assists. second in steals. second in blocks. second in minutes. he shot 282 shots and only 100 of them were threes. and while for some guys that seems like a ton of threes, but again, people are blinded by his height and assume he should be a center or a power forward. anyone paying any attention knew that he was NEVER recruited to be that type of player. he's kind of a combo 2-3 guy who happens to be seven feet. height doesn't dictate a player....his skill set does. and overall, selvig has one of the best all around skill sets on your team....

 

[grizzlyjournal]

ilovethecats » Fri May 13, 2011 7:19 pm
while a case could be made that selvig isn't effective near the basket that is usually because his ability to shoot the three for a big guy gains all the attention. people assume because he likes to shoot threes that he didn't do anything else. however, when you look closely at his game, a case could also be made that he is your best ALL AROUND player. he was basically second in every relevant stat. he was your best three point shooter. second in rebounds. second in assists. second in steals. second in blocks. second in minutes. he shot 282 shots and only 100 of them were threes. and while for some guys that seems like a ton of threes, but again, people are blinded by his height and assume he should be a center or a power forward. anyone paying any attention knew that he was NEVER recruited to be that type of player. he's kind of a combo 2-3 guy who happens to be seven feet. height doesn't dictate a player....his skill set does. and overall, selvig has one of the best all around skill sets on your team....

Well put, Ilovethecats! He also has a point guard's floor vision, is an excellent passer, an intense competitor, and has a high-level basketball intelligence on and off the court.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Griz have talked to Antoine Hosley from UW...he is the Pac 10 transfer referred to above.

Thank you, I found his profile. http://www.gohuskies.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/hosley_antoine00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Coach Romar on Hosley:
"Antoine is someone with a winning background and is a really good shooter." :shock:

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Holy canoly, the Griz could use a really good shooter!

 

[BelierPeaux]

ilovethecats » Fri May 13, 2011 7:19 pm
while a case could be made that selvig isn't effective near the basket that is usually because his ability to shoot the three for a big guy gains all the attention. people assume because he likes to shoot threes that he didn't do anything else. however, when you look closely at his game, a case could also be made that he is your best ALL AROUND player. he was basically second in every relevant stat. he was your best three point shooter. second in rebounds. second in assists. second in steals. second in blocks. second in minutes. he shot 282 shots and only 100 of them were threes. and while for some guys that seems like a ton of threes, but again, people are blinded by his height and assume he should be a center or a power forward. anyone paying any attention knew that he was NEVER recruited to be that type of player. he's kind of a combo 2-3 guy who happens to be seven feet. height doesn't dictate a player....his skill set does. and overall, selvig has one of the best all around skill sets on your team....

Well put, Ilovethecats! He also has a point guard's floor vision, is an excellent passer, an intense competitor, and has a high-level basketball intelligence on and off the court.

Imagine how good he would be if he were actually 100% healthy for a season.