Position by position discussion: linebackers

[granitegriz]

I still say JK could be a great DE. WaGriz is right that the coach said he would find a way to get both JT and JK on the field at the same time.

 

[WaGriz4life]

I also want to throw out that I don't believe for one second that our base D will be a 3-4.

 

[infiltrator]

JP will never play D-end way to small. Doesn't have the length either to put his hand in the ground. WAGRIZ why wouldn't we play a 3-4. Our numbers favor it. We don't have the dline size or depth for a base 4-3. I wouldn't doubt if we do run 4-3 in games but it won't be our base.
depth for 3-4 front seven.
end-alex/wags/kidder nose-tonga/ginn/fairfield kid end-harris/wags/kidder
sam-tripp hawk-JP will-brock mike-stu

 

[garizzalies]

we may see a 3-4 vs passing teams or teams that exploit the edge (e.g., EWU or Sac) but the majority of the time we'll be in a 4-3. Brint, you are essentially arguing that personnel dictates which scheme should be used (i.e., we should use 3-4 because we are deep at LB). I look at it from the opposite end. A 3-4 needs an incredible nose tackle, which i think we are missing. Thus the lack of depth there to me means a 4-3 makes more sense. If we had a Minter or Renard WIlliams, i'd be all for a 3-4. Maybe Ginn will develop into that position, but he's not there yet.

 

[granitegriz]

JK probably weighs more right now than Severin Campbell ever did. If not, he will by the start of fall camp. Also, height has no effect whatsoever on one's ability to get into DE stance...

 

[WaGriz4life]

JP will never play D-end way to small. Doesn't have the length either to put his hand in the ground. WAGRIZ why wouldn't we play a 3-4. Our numbers favor it. We don't have the dline size or depth for a base 4-3. I wouldn't doubt if we do run 4-3 in games but it won't be our base.
depth for 3-4 front seven.
end-alex/wags/kidder nose-tonga/ginn/fairfield kid end-harris/wags/kidder
sam-tripp hawk-JP will-brock mike-stu

Because Gregorek has no experience calling 3-4 defenses other than his one year stint with Breske where the 3-4 was used sparingly. This isn't a video game. You sound like the guys who thought Pflugrad should have thrown together a pro-style system in 1 summer to run his first year, even though he had no prior experience running one, and that isn't his philosophy.

 

[infiltrator]

Height has more to do for a DE then weight.You need length to handle tackles as well as get your hands up. JP is too short a tackle would hug him up.

 

[PlayerRep]

JP will never play D-end way to small. Doesn't have the length either to put his hand in the ground. WAGRIZ why wouldn't we play a 3-4. Our numbers favor it. We don't have the dline size or depth for a base 4-3. I wouldn't doubt if we do run 4-3 in games but it won't be our base.
depth for 3-4 front seven.
end-alex/wags/kidder nose-tonga/ginn/fairfield kid end-harris/wags/kidder
sam-tripp hawk-JP will-brock mike-stu

Because Gregorek has no experience calling 3-4 defenses other than his one year stint with Breske where the 3-4 was used sparingly. This isn't a video game. You sound like the guys who thought Pflugrad should have thrown together a pro-style system in 1 summer to run his first year, even though he had no prior experience running one, and that isn't his philosophy.

From the Missoulian article:

"I loved a lot of things Mike did, and will do, at Washington State," Gregorak said. "Both Legi (Suiaunoa, UM's defensive line coach) and I have coached in a ‘Flex' defense, so there you go - you take the stuff you like from each coach and do the best job you can."

 

[infiltrator]

The GRiz ran more 3-4 than you know. They would sub in and out almost every series. Almost sure washington ran a 3-4 when he was a GA

 

[BWahlberg]

Spring ball last year was almost exclusively 3-4 out of necessity, I think at one point the team had something like 4 or 5 active D-linemen total.

 

[gah-riz]

Tripp will be a starter. He's ahead of schedule on his shoulder rehab, so I doubt that his shoulder will be an issue.

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

 

[granitegriz]

ok, I misunderstood you on the height factor at DE. Good point. Though Dustin Dlouhy (sp) was a darn good pass rusher.

 

[BWahlberg]

Tripp will be a starter. He's ahead of schedule on his shoulder rehab, so I doubt that his shoulder will be an issue.

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

Chambers though was a little unique, it was a spring ball injury, he was a senior, and couldn't get another year of eligibility. He was in a crunch to try to rush it back and timing was against him. I bet if he could've had a medical RS left that he could've returned to full form the following year.

 

[gah-riz]

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

Chambers though was a little unique, it was a spring ball injury, he was a senior, and couldn't get another year of eligibility. He was in a crunch to try to rush it back and timing was against him. I bet if he could've had a medical RS left that he could've returned to full form the following year.

He and the coaches were hopeful at the end of August 2007 (4-5 months after the injury) that he was going to be back. Possibly a full year and half would have allowed him to come back, it's too bad he wasn't able to come back towards the end of the year or get a medical-RS and return for the 2008 season.

 

[grizindabox]

Thing about the 3-4 is a team needs a couple stout nose tackles. Without those guys, a 3-4 will get steam rolled, and as of right now, I see a severe lack of what would be legit nose tackles on the roster.

 

[AZDoc]

Thing about the 3-4 is a team needs a couple stout nose tackles. Without those guys, a 3-4 will get steam rolled, and as of right now, I see a severe lack of what would be legit nose tackles on the roster.

You certainly need a moose in there. You can, though use 2 DT's, 1 DE and the other side OLB as the hybrid DE/OLB type. Many people think 3-4 means 2 DE and 1 NT but I think really it's more of the above. 2 decent DTs...with the right technique...make up for a huge run stuffer.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Tripp will be a starter. He's ahead of schedule on his shoulder rehab, so I doubt that his shoulder will be an issue.

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

Boom Goes The Dynamite!

<-----Anxiously waiting for "Runs To Sniff Jocks" retort/spin..........................

 

[getgrizzy]

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

Boom Goes The Dynamite!

<-----Anxiously waiting for "Runs To Sniff Jocks" retort/spin..........................

i'm not trying to pick a fight with p.r. it doesn't really matter if we have had a lot of guys recover from the injury. the sample of players with shoulder injuries shouldn't be limited to just our players if you're trying to guess what his chances of returning are. maybe we've been lucky to have so many make it back. when it comes to making a tackle the shoulder is the joint that routinely absorbs the most shock. linebackers make a majority of the tackles for a football team. so a l.b. with a shoulder injury is always worrisome. its hard to mimic driving your shoulder into an oncoming 220-lb running back in the weight room.

 

[PlayerRep]

Tripp will be a starter. He's ahead of schedule on his shoulder rehab, so I doubt that his shoulder will be an issue.

hopefully it all works out, but rehabbing means nothing until he takes a big blow to it. that will be the real test.

Not true. Rehabbing means alot. Strengthening the shoulder area with lifting means alot. Name one UM player in the past 15 years that didn't come back and play after the dozens of shoulder surgeries that players have had in that period of time. Even Pitcher came back for awhile, and there was a back story involving why his shoulder may not have recovered (involving a non-football reinjury after the surgery).

How 'bout Craig Chambers?

He didn't have surgery (to my knowledge), so he wasn't coming back from surgery and rehabbing. He apparently wasn't even working hard at strengthening his shoulder.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

......................................and there it was.


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