Position Battles: Defense

[Htowngriz]

Oh, he has provided plenty of laughable posts, I assure you!

I don't know about the NFL comment but Sanders is a returning starter and a senior to boot. If the coaching staff admitted to being worried about him, I'd be very worried.....

The pedestrian fans look at his physique, and assume that translates to the football field. I guess they didn't see the picture of the physique on the kid who transferred from Western and tried to walk-on to the Griz. He didn't make it, but is a great rugby player. Sanders takes more bad angles than AzGrizFan.

Took a pretty good angle on this one...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunRainey/status/665648286846443520[/tweet]

That doesn't count, cause reasons.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Only pedestrians use Twitter............

#andsidewalks

 

[PlayerRep]

That you qualified it as "possibly" the funniest post suggests that other posts have been (at least) nearly as hilarious. Therefore, it must be close... :ugeek:

Oh, he has provided plenty of laughable posts, I assure you!

I don't know about the NFL comment but Sanders is a returning starter and a senior to boot. If the coaching staff admitted to being worried about him, I'd be very worried.....

The pedestrian fans look at his physique, and assume that translates to the football field. I guess they didn't see the picture of the physique on the kid who transferred from Western and tried to walk-on to the Griz. He didn't make it, but is a great rugby player. Sanders takes more bad angles than AzGrizFan.

The only reason the rugby player didn't make it, is because Gee wouldn't let him play. You are truly a foundation of misinformation.

 

[Glendivegriz]

It takes a pedestrian to know a pedestrian.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Growler, you are truly the biggest idiot and troll on this board. You hijack more threads than anyone. Amazing, if someone posts something you do not agree with, you return post with insults. Why not just post that you do not agree and why? The insults and names are not needed. #growthefup

 

[garizzalies]

I would like to see us successfully defend just ONE trick play. Just start with one. That'd be ONE more than all of the last 3-4 years combined.

I agree that UM did poorly defending trick plays last year. However, I would assume you would agree that that is not a scheme or defensive play call issue; it is an individual player discipline issue. Continuing lack of discipline is a position coach, as well as DC as well as head coach issue. Probably mostly the position coach. On the other hand, there are some players that just don't seem to be as disciplined as others and never seem to get as good as they should be, in my experience.

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

 

[EverettGriz]

Growler, you are truly the biggest idiot and troll on this board. You hijack more threads than anyone. Amazing, if someone posts something you do not agree with, you return post with insults. Why not just post that you do not agree and why? The insults and names are not needed. #growthefup

Good post. Missed an opportunity with the hastag, however. I think #pullyourhandoutofyourass would have carried more weight.

 

[EverettGriz]

I agree that UM did poorly defending trick plays last year. However, I would assume you would agree that that is not a scheme or defensive play call issue; it is an individual player discipline issue. Continuing lack of discipline is a position coach, as well as DC as well as head coach issue. Probably mostly the position coach. On the other hand, there are some players that just don't seem to be as disciplined as others and never seem to get as good as they should be, in my experience.

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

Your dog needs to get his eyes right, garizz.

 

[George Ferguson]

Growler, if you don't know, or don't understand that, Yamen Sanders is one of the best returning players the Griz have, and is one of the top returning safeties in the Big Sky, then you need to pack it up and go home. Your actual football posting, which you love to brag about so much, has been destroyed of that's what you believe. And that's not a shot at you personally for a change, it's the truth. But, honestly, I actually am going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm going to choose to believe that you do know Yamen is as I just described, but, because of your online schtick, you can't allow yourself to agree with Brint. If I'm wrong on that, well, you're football credibility is gone.

 

[Htowngriz]

Growler, if you don't know, or don't understand that, Yamen Sanders is one of the best returning players the Griz have, and is one of the top returning safeties in the Big Sky, then you need to pack it up and go home. Your actual football posting, which you love to brag about so much, has been destroyed of that's what you believe. And that's not a shot at you personally for a change, it's the truth. But, honestly, I actually am going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. I'm going to choose to believe that you do know Yamen is as I just described, but, because of your online schtick, you can't allow yourself to agree with Brint. If I'm wrong on that, well, you're football credibility is gone.

Good post, but this would have worked as well...as it would for 99% of Pickle-Licker's posts.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c[/youtube]

 

[Grisly Fan]

I agree that UM did poorly defending trick plays last year. However, I would assume you would agree that that is not a scheme or defensive play call issue; it is an individual player discipline issue. Continuing lack of discipline is a position coach, as well as DC as well as head coach issue. Probably mostly the position coach. On the other hand, there are some players that just don't seem to be as disciplined as others and never seem to get as good as they should be, in my experience.

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

Kind of the antithesis of the "1/11th" concept where everyone's job is to do their own job and not continually try to compensate for anyone else not doing theirs. Over-compensation tends to devolve into the weakest link of your defense dictating how it reacts. Your DEs have to slow their rush and everyone else has to shade to the center of the field because your DTs can't contain the middle (for example). The 1/11th approach would be to accept that you have a weak middle and are going to give up some yardage there but you going to try to take away everything else. Very few teams win when they are forced to be one-dimensional.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

Kind of the antithesis of the "1/11th" concept where everyone's job is to do their own job and not continually try to compensate for anyone else not doing theirs. Over-compensation tends to devolve into the weakest link of your defense dictating how it reacts. Your DEs have to slow their rush and everyone else has to shade to the center of the field because your DTs can't contain the middle (for example). The 1/11th approach would be to accept that you have a weak middle and are going to give up some yardage there but you going to try to take away everything else. Very few teams win when they are forced to be one-dimensional.

I know that I am going out on a limb here but I wouldn't necessarily consider TG a proponent of the 1/11th philosophy.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

I agree that UM did poorly defending trick plays last year. However, I would assume you would agree that that is not a scheme or defensive play call issue; it is an individual player discipline issue. Continuing lack of discipline is a position coach, as well as DC as well as head coach issue. Probably mostly the position coach. On the other hand, there are some players that just don't seem to be as disciplined as others and never seem to get as good as they should be, in my experience.

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

I agree with everyone that comment on players being over-aggressive and out of of position when it comes to being burned by trick/miss-direction plays. I have commented on this many times during the season(s). Typically safeties are big culprits (and very noticeable because they play out in the open and are the last line of defense), but the Griz DE's have mainly been the biggest source of frustration for me in terms of being over-aggressive/out of position (crashing inside and EASILY giving up outside contain).

 

[bgbigdog]

Trickeration is fairly simply explained by game theory. I know, only Brint & Alabama are allowed to actually do math, so l'll only summarize. Blah, blah, blah ... As coaches are known for their inclinations to utilize trick plays, the defenses they face learn to adjust, hopefully mitigating the impacts. That said, the past few defensive teams didn't adjust well, players were out of position, over-pursued and so on, making trickeration seem a productive opportunity for other teams who were on the schedule. Adjustments are a coaching function, not as some have noted, a player discipline issue. If the kids haven't seen it or are unaware, trickeration is going to have a good chance of success.

I guess we'll see how Semore does. And, to a lesser extent, (meaning we'll see the results in game highlights because state ag football is not a thing) we'll see how Gregorak does. My money is on Semore.

 

[Fat Bruno]

What's wrong with pedestrian fans? I always walked to the games. It's the motorized fans who are the bastards.

 

[bgbigdog]

AJ reporting CPSLO's O-Coordinator is moving on @ this late date. Not sure how much it matters, although with our game in Cali, I'd gladly take any advantage we could get.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Ty falls in both columns as the DC and LB coach, I'd say he owns quite a bit of our failure against trick plays.

Im not a TG fan but those trick plays that we got burned on last year come down to a lack of individual player dicipline, someone not doing there job not because TG had called the wrong defense alignment.

I guess I somewhat agree, but not really. I don't think the high success rate of trick plays while Traitorak was DC was because of a particular call he made for that particular play. Instead, I think it's a result of his overall philosophy. He is a big proponent of all players rallying to the ball. Usually this is a great tactic, but at times, this over-pursuit can get you burned because you're out of position. I said it before on here several times; I call it the, "where's the ball defense." My dog falls for it every time. I don't even need a ball in the first place--he is so over anxious he bites on a pump fake every time. Thus, IMO the "discipline" starts with the DC

I agree with everyone that comment on players being over-aggressive and out of of position when it comes to being burned by trick/miss-direction plays. I have commented on this many times during the season(s). Typically safeties are big culprits (and very noticeable because they play out in the open and are the last line of defense), but the Griz DE's have mainly been the biggest source of frustration for me in terms of being over-aggressive/out of position (crashing inside and EASILY giving up outside contain).

You are right on the money about the D-ends giving up the outside too easily. As good as Holmes was at rushing the passer, he allowed way too many big gains outside his position.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

As a junior Delany would start for every single team in the Frontier at safety and it wouldn't be close. I don't think he's a starter for the Griz. They are so absolutely loaded at safety now. But, he's proven himself, so much so, Stitt bumped his schollie in the spring.

Let me get this straight, Delaney was given a scholarship because of Grandpa, and now he is good enough to be All-Frontier Conference, even though he has not taken a single snap as a safety in college. And you know this how????? You expose your homerism more with every post.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Growler, you are truly the biggest idiot and troll on this board. You hijack more threads than anyone. Amazing, if someone posts something you do not agree with, you return post with insults. Why not just post that you do not agree and why? The insults and names are not needed. #growthefup

Good post. Missed an opportunity with the hastag, however. I think #pullyourhandoutofyourass would have carried more weight.

You seem to have a strong affinity for asses. Can we start calling your "Mount Everett"?

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Oh, he has provided plenty of laughable posts, I assure you!

I don't know about the NFL comment but Sanders is a returning starter and a senior to boot. If the coaching staff admitted to being worried about him, I'd be very worried.....

The pedestrian fans look at his physique, and assume that translates to the football field. I guess they didn't see the picture of the physique on the kid who transferred from Western and tried to walk-on to the Griz. He didn't make it, but is a great rugby player. Sanders takes more bad angles than AzGrizFan.

The only reason the rugby player didn't make it, is because Gee wouldn't let him play. You are truly a foundation of misinformation.

Is that like when the kids on your block wouldn't let you play, so you went and told mommy? By the way, Griz coaches reveal much more info to me than you, cause I don't even try to get info from them. I don't even talk football with them, I just listen. They run when they see you coming! :lol: :lol: :lol: