Portal Goes Both Ways

[WyomingGrizFan]

Interestingly, The Griz men's basketball team had the privilege of allowing four players (as shown by the box score) with one minute of playing time: Rhett Reynolds, Adam Shoff, Connor Dick & Caden Bateman): Te'Jon Sawyer with three minutes and Chase Henderson & Giordan Williams with five minuteds. That's seven players listed that played, perhaps, less than five minutes in the game, winning by 19, 88 - 69.

The LG win by 22, 72 - 50, and only two players were allowed to participate, playing less than one minute, in a 'team' victory and be a part of the team, H. Huard for one minute and Pirog for 0+; this display of negligence for all other players on the bench to see their careers dissipate in from of them having a full year wasted due to an actual 'lack of playing time' begs the question. That the Portal swings both ways and there is no reason to having a player wasting a year sitting on the bench, especially when they can easily be a 'member of a team' somewhere else. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that there'd be plenty of teams nation wide that would relish such on 'their'' team.

That's like; The HC of the men's Griz team can have seven players play less than five minutes in a 19 point win.

The HC of the LG has only two players with a minute or less in a 22 point win.
Just how much damage would one or two minutes cost the LG if they have a twenty point lead!

I'm afraid to say it, hate to see it happen, but the Portal does swing both ways. And it may just happen. Sorry to say. :? :roll:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Both Griz basketball teams are fortunate their wasn't a major injury playing key players that late in blowout games.

I was very worried of that.

 

[oldrunner]

The way the portal is set up now is significantly different from years past. It's a much shorter window to enter in, get recruited and sign on with a new team. I'm not totally sure if it will change the number of players who enter, but it will surely effect the speed that everything happens at. I suspect that a lot of players who are anticipating a move will put some feelers out well in advance of actually entering the portal.

Last year, portal activity seemed to drag on for ever. This year I look for things to happen a lot quicker. I still think that July 1st is the cuttoff for deciding who's grant will not be renewed. There was some discussion on when rosters should be closed to any new entries. I'm not sure where that stands. At any rate, there is only about a 3 month window to get it all done.

 

[UncleRico]

Interestingly, The Griz men's basketball team had the privilege of allowing four players (as shown by the box score) with one minute of playing time: Rhett Reynolds, Adam Shoff, Connor Dick & Caden Bateman): Te'Jon Sawyer with three minutes and Chase Henderson & Giordan Williams with five minuteds. That's seven players listed that played, perhaps, less than five minutes in the game, winning by 19, 88 - 69.

The LG win by 22, 72 - 50, and only two players were allowed to participate, playing less than one minute, in a 'team' victory and be a part of the team, H. Huard for one minute and Pirog for 0+; this display of negligence for all other players on the bench to see their careers dissipate in from of them having a full year wasted due to an actual 'lack of playing time' begs the question. That the Portal swings both ways and there is no reason to having a player wasting a year sitting on the bench, especially when they can easily be a 'member of a team' somewhere else. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that there'd be plenty of teams nation wide that would relish such on 'their'' team.

That's like; The HC of the men's Griz team can have seven players play less than five minutes in a 19 point win.

The HC of the LG has only two players with a minute or less in a 22 point win.
Just how much damage would one or two minutes cost the LG if they have a twenty point lead!

I'm afraid to say it, hate to see it happen, but the Portal does swing both ways. And it may just happen. Sorry to say. :? :roll:

Giordan Williams has played a lot throughout the season. He struggled in those five minutes and didn't play well. Sawyer has played a lot in key games but got in foul trouble right away. Both are key parts of rotation. Oke and Thomas were playing great and you stay with the hot hand. Dick, Reynolds and Bateman might end up never playing significant minutes. Besides Dick just came back from a lengthy suspension. The game was anywhere in the 12-19 point range and was never a huge blowout. Henderson is the one that is tough to figure for me. Used up his redshirt and has played pretty well but minutes are sporadic.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Actually, I was more interested in and if someone could explicate the situation, here. Could it be conceivably reckoned that a student/athlete, and coaching staff, can call it a redshirt year if said player has played in only 13 games and played but 67 minutes in a whole season. If so, that explains it and I won't be confused anymore.

Otherwise, why bother recruiting someone if that said recruited student/athlete isn't allowed to play in a game to begin with; if it isn't all reduced to being a considered redshirt year then it wouldn't bother the NCAA chrome domes in Indianapolis if a player but suits up, practices in a warm-up and sits with fellow team members from the sidelines. I guess that would work; call it a redshirt year and next year be a Fr-RS. That would work for me as well.

 

[CopperGold14]

If they play in a contest in basketball, then there isn't a possibility to redshirt - season is burned. The exceptions to that are if it were an exhibition game that was played in or if the player ends up getting hurt and applies for a medical redshirt.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

If they play in a contest in basketball, then there isn't a possibility to redshirt - season is burned. The exceptions to that are if it were an exhibition game that was played in or if the player ends up getting hurt and applies for a medical redshirt.

That may be the case in point, but, then again, if the NCAA is consistent on their rulings of what constitutes an actual redshirt year, then, I don't know.

Say for instance, Ah Yat played in six games as a true freshman this past year. On the spring roster he's now listed as a R-Fr. Lucas Frietas played in seven games, again as a true freshman, and he's listed as a R-FR as well for the forthcoming season. Which doesn't bother me. I just was wondering if the dame for football is the same as for basketball.

 

[TrueGriz]

If they play in a contest in basketball, then there isn't a possibility to redshirt - season is burned. The exceptions to that are if it were an exhibition game that was played in or if the player ends up getting hurt and applies for a medical redshirt.

That may be the case in point, but, then again, if the NCAA is consistent on their rulings of what constitutes an actual redshirt year, then, I don't know.

Say for instance, Ah Yat played in six games as a true freshman this past year. On the spring roster he's now listed as a R-Fr. Lucas Frietas played in seven games, again as a true freshman, and he's listed as a R-FR as well for the forthcoming season. Which doesn't bother me. I just was wondering if the dame for football is the same as for basketball.

Red shirt rules changed for football this past season, but not for basketball. So no longer the same.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

If they play in a contest in basketball, then there isn't a possibility to redshirt - season is burned. The exceptions to that are if it were an exhibition game that was played in or if the player ends up getting hurt and applies for a medical redshirt.

That may be the case in point, but, then again, if the NCAA is consistent on their rulings of what constitutes an actual redshirt year, then, I don't know.

Say for instance, Ah Yat played in six games as a true freshman this past year. On the spring roster he's now listed as a R-Fr. Lucas Frietas played in seven games, again as a true freshman, and he's listed as a R-FR as well for the forthcoming season. Which doesn't bother me. I just was wondering if the dame for football is the same as for basketball.

It is not the same. Football you get four regular season games. Playoff games do not count toward the number of games played. Hence why Ah Yat has played in a total of six games but is still considered a RS Frosh.

Basketball, as others have said if you play in one game your redshirt is burned unless you're able to get a medical rs from the NCAA.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

That may be the case in point, but, then again, if the NCAA is consistent on their rulings of what constitutes an actual redshirt year, then, I don't know.

Say for instance, Ah Yat played in six games as a true freshman this past year. On the spring roster he's now listed as a R-Fr. Lucas Frietas played in seven games, again as a true freshman, and he's listed as a R-FR as well for the forthcoming season. Which doesn't bother me. I just was wondering if the dame for football is the same as for basketball.

It is not the same. Football you get four regular season games. Playoff games do not count toward the number of games played. Hence why Ah Yat has played in a total of six games but is still considered a RS Frosh.

Basketball, as others have said if you play in one game your redshirt is burned unless you're able to get a medical rs from the NCAA.

O.K. So all you Griz fans are saying that you have a coaching staff that recruits players out of high school and then turn around and tell them they ain't worth playing and having on the court to begin with, right? This is the world as it is, Missoula. NILs and Portals; live with it. Even high school kids have to have agents nowadays. Keep up with the times!!!

I don't give a f___ for your excuses. 'Cause you all ain't got one!!!

'Cause that's exactly what's going on. A coaching staff that has wasted an entire year of eligibility for a player that could have easily gone to another Division 1 school, and probably be averaging ten points a game by now!!! At least, for someone else.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

It is not the same. Football you get four regular season games. Playoff games do not count toward the number of games played. Hence why Ah Yat has played in a total of six games but is still considered a RS Frosh.

Basketball, as others have said if you play in one game your redshirt is burned unless you're able to get a medical rs from the NCAA.

O.K. So all you Griz fans are saying that you have a coaching staff that recruits players out of high school and then turn around and tell them they ain't worth playing and having on the court to begin with, right? This is the world as it is, Missoula. NILs and Portals; live with it. Even high school kids have to have agents nowadays. Keep up with the times!!!

I don't give a f___ for your excuses. 'Cause you all ain't got one!!!

'Cause that's exactly what's going on. A coaching staff that has wasted an entire year of eligibility for a player that could have easily gone to another Division 1 school, and probably be averaging ten points a game by now!!! At least, for someone else.

That has been going on....even before the portal. Is what you're saying that due to the portal, it would behoove coaching staffs to play the bottom of their roster more during games that aren't so much in question in order to hang onto them for longer? Chances are, if they don't improve at the bottom of the roster, they'll get bumped off by someone else better anyway so....I'm probably a dummy because I never played the game, but what is the point you're trying to make?

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Forget it wingnut, if you haven't figured it by now.

 

[oldrunner]

My view of it is that coaches don't always make the right choices, players/parents don't always make the right choices, and the portal is a needed mechanism to for solutions. Recruiting is not, and has never been, an exact science. In addition to that, it is nearly impossible to play more than 9 guys in any significant way. With 13 scholarship players, that leaves 4 or 5 guys who mostly never see the floor. You can red shirt one or two guys, but an injury can change things overnight.

I think the national average number of transfers per NCAA D1 basketball program was about 3 last year, with some teams losing as many as 12. There are some who transfer up, but the majority will either move laterally, down, or out all together. I have heard it said that as high as 25% don't land anywhere.

I feel that the question for coaches is: 'How long do I give a player to show that they can develop the needed skills to contribute to our success?'

The question for players is: 'How long do I give myself to start contributing and is it even possible for me to get to that point?'

If you have started out at D1, but you can't see a time when you will be a contributor, it may well be time to look at moving down, or at least to a better fit. The coach may even give you a gentle, or not, nudge toward the door.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I think Wyoming is correct. There is zero reason to recruit and roster more than like 8 players....

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think Wyoming is correct. There is zero reason to recruit and roster more than like 8 players....

My thoughts exactly. And every recruit should be a home run.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I think Wyoming is correct. There is zero reason to recruit and roster more than like 8 players....

My thoughts exactly. And every recruit should be a home run.

I would have went "slam dunk".

 

[oldrunner]

My thoughts exactly. And every recruit should be a home run.

I would have went "slam dunk".

The only real 'slam dunks' out there are the 'one & dones', and they aren't coming to Ogden or Missoula. Let's face it, we get lucky with a pretty good freshman now and then, but most of our recruits are projects at some level. Even the drop down transfers we may get usually come with a bit of uncertainty. We are in the business of developing guys and sometimes it takes a year or two.

The problem with only having 8 or 9 scholarship players is when injuries happen. One, two, or three guys get injured and you don't have enough to field a team. I think that all players and parents should know that making it as a starter or rotation guy is not easy and that it is an 8 out of 13 proposition. A coach promising playing time to a recruit is not just unethical, it's an out and out lie. Any player or parent who believed such a lie, has some real problems. We are usually getting guys who were the best player on their HS team. Everyone has been telling them they are great for the last several years. Now they are sitting at the end of the bench and it is frustrating for them. Coaches and parents should be working together to manage expectations from the get go.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would have went "slam dunk".

The only real 'slam dunks' out there are the 'one & dones', and they aren't coming to Ogden or Missoula. Let's face it, we get lucky with a pretty good freshman now and then, but most of our recruits are projects at some level. Even the drop down transfers we may get usually come with a bit of uncertainty. We are in the business of developing guys and sometimes it takes a year or two.

The problem with only having 8 or 9 scholarship players is when injuries happen. One, two, or three guys get injured and you don't have enough to field a team. I think that all players and parents should know that making it as a starter or rotation guy is not easy and that it is an 8 out of 13 proposition. A coach promising playing time to a recruit is not just unethical, it's an out and out lie. Any player or parent who believed such a lie, has some real problems. We are usually getting guys who were the best player on their HS team. Everyone has been telling them they are great for the last several years. Now they are sitting at the end of the bench and it is frustrating for them. Coaches and parents should be working together to manage expectations from the get go.

It seems that you aren't very good with sarcasm.

 

[AZGrizFan]

My thoughts exactly. And every recruit should be a home run.

I would have went "slam dunk".

Dammit. It was RIGHT THERE. All I had to do was say it.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

I think Wyoming is correct. There is zero reason to recruit and roster more than like 8 players....

Where did you get that one from? Or, just being sarcastic.