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Poll: Stitt or someone else

Stitt or New Coach

  • Bob Stitt

    Votes: 93 75.0%
  • Get a new coach.

    Votes: 31 25.0%

  • Total voters
    124
Eriul said:
I don't mind stitt but he has to learn while he's here. He seems to not be learning from mistakes and it's costing us games(the fourth down attempts). Hopefully he will take a hard look at the stats and understand what he's dealing with and learn and bring a better understanding to the table. I will say though, I do not hold much faith that he will. I think he's fairly egotistical and will probably demand it his way or the highway and take the losses with his arrogance.
I did not like what I heard on his tv show last night. He explained the first 4th down as a good play call but bad execution and basically said he went for the second 4th down because they already tried it earlier. I like the aggressive approach, but I don't think they need to be aggressive just to be aggressive. Maybe not an ego issue, but certainly stubborn.
 
get'em_griz said:
Eriul said:
I don't mind stitt but he has to learn while he's here. He seems to not be learning from mistakes and it's costing us games(the fourth down attempts). Hopefully he will take a hard look at the stats and understand what he's dealing with and learn and bring a better understanding to the table. I will say though, I do not hold much faith that he will. I think he's fairly egotistical and will probably demand it his way or the highway and take the losses with his arrogance.

If Bob Stitt is egotistical and arrgogant like a few people are saying, then how come nobody said the same thing about Delaney's ego? I mean he only did the the same things over and over and over again and it drove people crazy here... :coffee:

We didn't use the word ego but we used the word stubborn... Kinda the same.
 
"We had a good play it just didn't get executed" is what he said. Yes it did. By the other team. Went on to say that's the way it is. He doesn't even remotely think he should have kicked the fg just the offense didn't execute the play.
 
nzone said:
"We had a good play it just didn't get executed" is what he said. Yes it did. By the other team. Went on to say that's the way it is. He doesn't even remotely think he should have kicked the fg just the offense didn't execute the play.

On one of the attempts, the second I believe, there was a receiver wide open in the middle, Simis never looked his way. The play was there.
 
I understand the idea of "we just didn't execute." But it's fucking stupid. If you executed on every play you would never lose a game. Also being surprised that your 3rd string qb( who did actually play well) didn't execute properly is just flat out dumb.
 
I guess it must be acceptable to not properly execute if you are third string. Also, using the excuse "you can't execute properly on every play" is lame. You might not be able to, but you should be able to expect to execute a 2-3 yard pass play. The plays run on 4th down were pretty basic plays for the entire offensive philosophy.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
I guess it must be acceptable to not properly execute if you are third string

So we should just rotate all our players in because everyone can execute on the team just perfect right? Don't be stubborn. Obviously your 3rd stringer isn't going to do as well as others on the team and has a higher chance of not executing... I can't believe I'm arguing basic logic on this website.
 
Eriul said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I guess it must be acceptable to not properly execute if you are third string

So we should just rotate all our players in because everyone can execute on the team just perfect right? Don't be stubborn. Obviously your 3rd stringer isn't going to do as well as others on the team and has a higher chance of not executing... I can't believe I'm arguing basic logic on this website.

If you can't run basic offense, a 3 yard pass pattern, and expect a 3rd string QB to properly execute, then what exactly should you run.....
 
grizindabox said:
Eriul said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I guess it must be acceptable to not properly execute if you are third string

So we should just rotate all our players in because everyone can execute on the team just perfect right? Don't be stubborn. Obviously your 3rd stringer isn't going to do as well as others on the team and has a higher chance of not executing... I can't believe I'm arguing basic logic on this website.

If you can't run basic offense, a 3 yard pass pattern, and expect a 3rd string QB to properly execute, then what exactly should you run.....

A field goal?

If you can easily "expect" to convert every 3 yard pass you would score a td every drive btw...
 
Eriul said:
grizindabox said:
Eriul said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
I guess it must be acceptable to not properly execute if you are third string

So we should just rotate all our players in because everyone can execute on the team just perfect right? Don't be stubborn. Obviously your 3rd stringer isn't going to do as well as others on the team and has a higher chance of not executing... I can't believe I'm arguing basic logic on this website.

If you can't run basic offense, a 3 yard pass pattern, and expect a 3rd string QB to properly execute, then what exactly should you run.....

A field goal?

If you can easily "expect" to convert every 3 yard pass you would score a td every drive btw...

my point was, if you can't expect to execute a 3 yard pass play correctly, what confidence do you have to believe that you can execute well enough to drive down the field again? He rolled the dice because he did not have confidence in getting the same opportunity again and it did not work. And I never used the word easily...but you have to expect that you can execute every play you call.
 
I get your point and I understand his logic. I just think it's wrong. Sorry for the aggressive tone. It just frustrated me when the Griz lose because(what I think) was a mental error by the guy on the sideline. I get that the players could have played better and that's on them. I just would rather our players get beat then our coaches get beat.
 
I voted for Stitt. He was the best candidate for the job and is a good communicator, not only to the public but his staff and players, as well. But, I do think he needs to tweak his predilections a bit, such as going for it on 4th downs. There's no question injuries to his QBs has tested this program. But, he's our coach now, and I believe will start a new consistently winning era for Griz football. Stay the course, IOW.
 
Give the man a chance....as painful as that might currently be.

The Five Monkeys Experiment

An experimenter puts 5 monkeys in a large cage. High up at the top of the cage, well beyond the reach of the monkeys, is a bunch of bananas. Underneath the bananas is a ladder.

The monkeys immediately spot the bananas and one begins to climb the ladder. As he does, however, the experimenter sprays him with a stream of cold water. Then, he proceeds to spray each of the other monkeys.
The monkey on the ladder scrambles off. And all 5 sit for a time on the floor, wet, cold, and bewildered. Soon, though, the temptation of the bananas is too great, and another monkey begins to climb the ladder. Again, the experimenter sprays the ambitious monkey with cold water and all the other monkeys as well. When a third monkey tries to climb the ladder, the other monkeys, wanting to avoid the cold spray, pull him off the ladder and beat him.

Now one monkey is removed and a new monkey is introduced to the cage. Spotting the bananas, he naively begins to climb the ladder. The other monkeys pull him off and beat him.

Here’s where it gets interesting. The experimenter removes a second one of the original monkeys from the cage and replaces him with a new monkey. Again, the new monkey begins to climb the ladder and, again, the other monkeys pull him off and beat him – including the monkey who had never been sprayed.
By the end of the experiment, none of the original monkeys were left and yet, despite none of them ever experiencing the cold, wet, spray, they had all learned never to try and go for the bananas.

The metaphor and the lessons that apply are clear. Despite the exhortations from [fans] to be innovative, cold water is poured on people and their ideas whenever someone tries something new.

Proof that coaches should go for it more on fourth down. Really, no kidding.

Ei Di(gt) Vi = Pgt + Bgt Ei Di(gt+1) Vi - egt

This, in the unimpeachable terms of the Bellman Equation, is the definitive proof that … head coaches should go for it more on fourth down. Really, no kidding.


"Teams should be a lot more aggressive on fourth down," David Romer, a Cal-Berkeley professor of economics says with the precise air of a scientist. "On average, you'd be better off going for it….
The findings of Romer's analysis:
• A team facing fourth-and-goal within five yards of the end zone is better off, on average, trying for a touchdown.
• At midfield, on average, there is an argument to go for any fourth down within five yards of a first down.
• Even on its own 10-yard-line -- 90 yards from the end zone -- a team within three yards of a first down is marginally better off, on average, going for it.

Two-point conversion

Various sources estimate the success rate of a two-point conversion to be between 40% and 55%, significantly lower than that of the extra point, though if the higher value is to be believed, a higher expected value is achieved through the two-point conversion than the extra point.
In some cases, a 38% chance of successfully converting 1 of 2 two point attempts makes the attempt the wiser choice.

Should coaches go for 2 more often than not? Perhaps. The score and time remaining would ultimately dictate the strategy in each situation, but as long as the game is a point-maximization contest, which is usually until the end of the 3rd quarter, I'd say it's good idea. And in the end-game, when an extra point ties, but a 2-point conversion takes the lead, it would almost certainly be a good idea, all other things being equal.

Conventional wisdom: a generally accepted theory or belief.
Innovation: a new method


Conventional wisdom yields “Bobby ball”. I must admit, I liked the Hauck years insofar as the Griz dominated in the regular season. I liked reading other fan boards and seeing “They flat-out kicked our ass, did you see the size of that offensive line, no way we were going to win that game”
I hated ending the season second best.

Some folks think Baldwin is the best coach in the BSC, is he? He at least seems willing to scuttle conventional wisdom and give up trying to “establish the run” when the situation calls for it. If I remember correctly, EWU won their National championship by giving up on the run and almost exclusively passing to overcome a substantial deficit and win the game vs Delaware.

To me innovation is more than a new twist on an old play, it’s a different way of thinking about the game. A different, unconventional, strategy. Stitt’s strategy appears to be unconventional, and risky, but there is statistical evidence that the strategy is not without merit. It’s supported by the law of averages.

If the proof is in the pudding, you gotta let it cook…..’cause it ain’t pudding til it’s cooked.
I’m optimistically (if impatiently) waiting to judge.

http://johnstepper.com/2013/10/26/the-five-monkeys-experiment-with-a-new-lesson/
http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/garber_greg/1453717.html
http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2010/12/almost-always-go-for-2-point.html
 
Us believers are going to beat the hell out of you non believers when this is all said and done. :lol:
 
Eriul said:
I don't mind stitt but he has to learn while he's here. He seems to not be learning from mistakes and it's costing us games(the fourth down attempts). Hopefully he will take a hard look at the stats and understand what he's dealing with and learn and bring a better understanding to the table. I will say though, I do not hold much faith that he will. I think he's fairly egotistical and will probably demand it his way or the highway and take the losses with his arrogance.
I hope this is not true, but it could well be. He's got to learn that what worked at CO Mines does not necessarily transfer to the BSC. Whether or not he adjusts his philosophies will be worked out over the 3 years of his contract. Maybe his beliefs are true. Maybe not. This may be a learning year for him, and hopefully, before season's end, he'll adjust. At any rate, he's the Griz coach for the next 3 years. (I don't know what the term of his K is.)
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Nice to see Tailbone posting. :clap: :clap: :clap:


Aw-shucks.jpg


Thanks!
 
"On track, stay the course, a thousand points of light, stay the course"

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4117
 
grizindabox said:
AZDoc said:
I'm not a fan of learning on the job with a different talent pool. I'm not a fan of stubborn coaching decisions instead of doing what should be done in certain (not all) situations, I'm not a fan of how the last 5 games have gone, I AM a fan of Stitt and think he will do real well the next few years.

Are you saying that Stitt is unqualified?

really I'm not. more repeating others in here. I think he IS learning on the job, with much better talent. what I mean is that things work at D2 that don't necessarily work at D1. I think he's real good choice. Just shouldn't be too stubborn when it comes to his 4th down/kicking choices.
 
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