Playoff Game #1

[Grizzlies1982]

What make anyone think they will take 4 teams from the big sky. There is a possible scenario where even at 10-2 we are 4th place.......

Once again conference standings aren't an issue with the playoff selection / seeding. If we finish 10-2 our overall record will get the Griz in regardless of how many other Big Sky teams are in.

 

[George Ferguson]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

 

[bigkid]

I say we go into Vermillion and win. Let ewu and msu figure that part of the equation out and than the picture will begin to get just a bit clearer. IMO the eastern game might just be a must win for msu. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

I think we have to be at least a 4 seed to get 2 home games. I feel that is a real long shot. At 10-2 we host 2nd round or at 9-3 first round, but on road after that. We need too much help above to get a 4 seed or better with only 3 weeks to play. Now back to SD-No trap games please.

If you are a seeded team you will have two games.

(a) Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
(b) Revenue potential (e.g., a financial guarantee or guideline that ensures fiscal responsibility and is appropriate for the particular event, as recommended by the governing sports committee and approved by the Championships/Sports Management Cabinet);
(c) Attendance history and potential;
(d) Geographical location; and
(e) Championships operating costs.

In an email to High Country Press, Flynn went on to further explain the process as per the NCAA Pre-Championship Manual:

With regard to first-round, second-round, quarterfinal and semifinal sites, in addition to the criteria listed in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1, the NCAA Division I Football Committee shall consider the following additional criteria when selecting playoff sites:

a. Prospective host institutions must submit the following minimum financial guarantees, which shall be 75 percent of the estimated net receipts as submitted on the proposed budget:

First round—$30,000
Second round—$30,000
Quarterfinal—$40,000
Semifinal—$50,000

b. If the minimum financial guarantees are met, the committee will award the playoff sites to the top five seeded teams.

c. When determining host institutions for playoff games when both teams are unseeded, criteria shall apply as follows: (1) quality of facility, (2) revenue potential plus estimated net receipts, (3) attendance history and potential, (4) team’s performance (e.g., conference place finish, head-to-head results and number of Division I opponents), and (5) student-athlete well-being (e.g., travel, missed class time).

d. If a second-round, quarterfinal or semifinal playoff site is not available due to the fact the institutions involved did not submit a proposed budget, the committee will contact the institutions and offer the opportunity to submit a bid at the current round’s minimum financial guarantee level. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

e. If no institution is willing to submit a proposed budget at the current level, the previous round’s minimum financial guarantee will be offered. If seeded teams are not involved, the committee will determine the host institutions by applying the championship site-selection criteria in Bylaw 31.1.3.2.1.

f. The committee will consider previous crowd-control measures and crowd behavior of the prospective host institution.


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[Robsnotes4u]

If we win out and the Cats beat EWU this weekend I think we have a good chance at a seed mainly due to the fact that we now have a decided edge in attendance per game. The NCAA is not going to let that cash cow out of the pen if it can help it!!
There will of course be the argument of strength of schedule and conference.

Attendance has no bearing on seeding. The bid process is what constitutes home field or not.


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[Robsnotes4u]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Don't make yourself sound so unknowledgeable, you are smarter than that



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[AZGrizFan]

The best scenario would be cats beat ewu and we in return beat the cats. If we are a 10-2 at that point I'll go out on a limb and say we end up #4. We have to beat usd this weekend. That would be a great win on the road against a mvc team. Would be huge for us! The bigger question is can Montana put together an entire game on both sides of the ball? If so we can really cause some damage.

But will it be considered a "quality" win? :lol: :lol:

 

[Robsnotes4u]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 3 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

The BSC rankings don't carry all the weight, but will carry some, and 4th you will not be seeded above 2 of the three teams above you. Especially if they are NAU and EWU which you lost to

Don't make yourself sound so unknowledgeable, you are smarter than that



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[George Ferguson]

Rob, I'm not trying to make myself sound like anything. If the Griz win out, they will be ranked at or near the Top 5, they will be ranked higher than the Cats and and are already ranked higher than NAU. Seeding for the playoffs isn't pre-determined by where you finish in your conference. Again, I'll explain, in two different seasons in which Montana shared the Big Sky title with another team, but lost the auto-bid, the Griz were still seeded higher than that team. Once with MSU and once with Eastern Washington. I will be willing to bet anyone any amount of money on either of these scenarios. 1. If the Griz win out, they will be a Top 8 seed. 2. If the Griz go 9-3, with a loss to MSU, they will not only still make the playoffs, but they will host a first-round game. ANY TAKERS?>

 

[Bear Spray]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Don't make yourself sound so unknowledgeable, you are smarter than that

So many things could happen, but I too doubt that 4 teams from the 5th strongest conference will make the playoffs. The Griz could win out and still be only 4th in the Big Sky. Griz fans should be rooting for anyone playing the Cats & Jacks.



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[Grizzlies1982]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Rob, nobody is saying 4 Big Sky teams will be seeded. Two seeded is certainly a best case scenario. Though it is quite likely 4 will be in the playoffs, and yes a 4th place MT could still be seeded;

If Montana wins out they have 2 conf losses, yet finishes 10-2 overall.
If EWU loses another game they'll have 1 conf loss & finish 9-3.
If NAU loses another game they'll have 2 conf losses & finish 8-3.
If MSU loses to Griz (to get UM to 10-2) they'll have 1 conf loss & finish 9-3.

If this happens the Griz are still only 4th place in the Big Sky conference (due to head to head loss to NAU). Yet the Grizzlies would have the best overall record of Big Sky teams. That would still be true even if NAU didn't lose another and finishes 9-2.

 

[EverettGriz]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Don't make yourself sound so unknowledgeable, you are smarter than that

So many things could happen, but I too doubt that 4 teams from the 5th strongest conference will make the playoffs. The Griz could win out and still be only 4th in the Big Sky. Griz fans should be rooting for anyone playing the Cats & Jacks.



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You make even the average cat fan sound intelligent (no easy matter!)

If you don't believe a 10-2 Griz team with a victory over the cats is a LOCK for the playoffs, you really don't know shit about how any of his works.

 

[grizcountry420]

Rob, I'm not trying to make myself sound like anything. If the Griz win out, they will be ranked at or near the Top 5, they will be ranked higher than the Cats and and are already ranked higher than NAU. Seeding for the playoffs isn't pre-determined by where you finish in your conference. Again, I'll explain, in two different seasons in which Montana shared the Big Sky title with another team, but lost the auto-bid, the Griz were still seeded higher than that team. Once with MSU and once with Eastern Washington. I will be willing to bet anyone any amount of money on either of these scenarios. 1. If the Griz win out, they will be a Top 8 seed. 2. If the Griz go 9-3, with a loss to MSU, they will not only still make the playoffs, but they will host a first-round game. ANY TAKERS?>

Good post. Spot on..

 

[stubbins]

Seeding isn't based on the Big Sky standings. The Griz have shared the Big Sky title before, lost the auto-bid and still been the higher seed than the team that got the auto. A 10-2 Montana team WOULD be at worst a 5 seed but I would think a four behind NDSU, Sammy and EWU, unless the Eags lose to the Cats. But, as Payton said, the Griz are a LONG way from that. I'm still predicting 9-3 with a first-round home game and a trip to either EWU or NDSU in the next round.

And if nau wins out?

I wouldn't mind a second round game at ewu...be a fun trip.

 

[stubbins]

Also, this new bsc is complete horse shit...Griz and scats have to deal with two teams fighting for playoff spots and position that don't even play each other. Another loss for nau or ewu is a big deal right now.

Also, ewu and scats get und as a conf. game while um doesn't. Scats get unc while griz get cal poly...

It's just fucking weird and it makes for a joke of a conference...

 

[Robsnotes4u]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Rob, nobody is saying 4 Big Sky teams will be seeded. Two seeded is certainly a best case scenario. Though it is quite likely 4 will be in the playoffs, and yes a 4th place MT could still be seeded;

If Montana wins out they have 2 conf losses, yet finishes 10-2 overall.
If EWU loses another game they'll have 2 conf losses & finish 9-3.
If NAU loses another game they'll have 2 conf losses & finish 8-3.
If MSU loses to Griz (to get UM to 10-2) they'll have 1 conf loss & finish 9-3.

If this happens the Griz are still only 4th place in the Big Sky conference (due to head to head losses to EWU & NAU). Yet the Grizzlies would have the best overall record of Big Sky teams. That would still be true even if NAU didn't lose another and finishes 9-2.

I guess you guys do not understand the playoffs.

First of all the BSC is the 5 th ranked conference. With that in mind and the schedules both the Griz and the Cats have, part of SRS, a second seed is very very unlikely for the BSC. The only seed will go the winner of EWU vs MSU unless MSU loses to the Griz and then EWU gets the seed.

Second if you were going by polls there is no way the Griz will leap frog 7 teams in GPI to be a top 10 seed this late in the season. Fordham, coastal Carolina, Maine, EWU,Youngstown (who if they lose to NDSU won't drop much), EIU, Towson, Bethune , and even MCNeese.

You need to be realistic. Can the Griz get in the playoffs yes at 10-2. Are they going to be seeded. No.




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[George Ferguson]

SMH, ok Rob, many of us, who have been following the FCS since it was still 1AA, myself since 1991, will respectfully disagree with what you're saying. This isn't the BCS. That's what you're trying to make it sound like. HUMANS do the work when doing the seeding, picking the at-large bids, and so on. And especially one thing you keep seeming to ignore in your four-team scenario is the Griz are ranked ahead of NAU in BOTH POLLS and the Sagarin. But, at the end of the day, this is all speculation. No one knows yet if the Griz will be 10-2, 9-3 or 8-4 or even 7-5. So we'll ALL just have to wait and see.

Also, It might interest you to know that Griz have been the No. 1 seed in the playoffs THREE times when they were NOT ranked No. 1 in either the TSN or Coaches Poll the day the playoff pairings were announced. The Griz have also been the No. 1 seed in the playoffs with LOSSES before, and have been a top 4 seed in two different seasons in which they had TWO losses on their resume. Again, Humans do the majority of work at this level.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

TNT, you are on some kind of medication if you don't think 10-2 isn't a 100 percent lock for the playoffs NO MATTER HOW the Big Sky standings shake out. A 10-2 4th-place Griz team is not only in, but a top eight seed. There is a zero percent chance of that not happening. a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE.

Having said that, again, I am still predicting 9-3, loss in Bozeman and a first-round home game.

If you are 4 a 4th place team you will not be seeded. I don't care what your record is. There is no way they will seed 4 BSC teams. In fact there will probably on be two seeded BSC team.

Rob, nobody is saying 4 Big Sky teams will be seeded. Two seeded is certainly a best case scenario. Though it is quite likely 4 will be in the playoffs, and yes a 4th place MT could still be seeded;

If Montana wins out they have 2 conf losses, yet finishes 10-2 overall.
If EWU loses another game they'll have 2 conf losses & finish 9-3.
If NAU loses another game they'll have 2 conf losses & finish 8-3.
If MSU loses to Griz (to get UM to 10-2) they'll have 1 conf loss & finish 9-3.

If this happens the Griz are still only 4th place in the Big Sky conference (due to head to head losses to EWU & NAU). Yet the Grizzlies would have the best overall record of Big Sky teams. That would still be true even if NAU didn't lose another and finishes 9-2.

Oh and by the way if EWU loses another game they have one loss in the conference,.

Your hypothetical if if makes no sense.

So EWU loses to Cal poly and beats MSU. Msu loses to the Griz and wins the rest. Griz win out. NAU loses to either UND, UNC, or SUU.

I think the chance of that happening is about the same as the Griz losing to both USD and MSU. I don't think that will happen.

EWU wins out
NAU wins out
MSU only loss to EWU
Griz finish with loss to MSU

EWU gets the seed. The rest have no seeds.

Bracket predictions right now with MSU as a #4 ranked team is no seed.

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[bigkid]

Lets just win this weekend and go from there. But if the cats beat ewu and we win out and don't get a seed I will be surprised.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

SMH, ok Rob, many of us, who have been following the FCS since it was still 1AA, myself since 1991, will respectfully disagree with what you're saying. This isn't the BCS. That's what you're trying to make it sound like. HUMANS do the work when doing the seeding, picking the at-large bids, and so on. And especially one thing you keep seeming to ignore in your four-team scenario is the Griz are ranked ahead of NAU in BOTH POLLS and the Sagarin. But, at the end of the day, this is all speculation. No one knows yet if the Griz will be 10-2, 9-3 or 8-4 or even 7-5. So we'll ALL just have to wait and see.

Also, It might interest you to know that Griz have been the No. 1 seed in the playoffs THREE times when they were NOT ranked No. 1 in either the TSN or Coaches Poll the day the playoff pairings were announced. The Griz have also been the No. 1 seed in the playoffs with LOSSES before, and have been a top 4 seed in two different seasons in which they had TWO losses on their resume. Again, Humans do the majority of work at this level.

Unfortunately, I graduated in 1983 and have been following Montana football since high school. There is now a process, SRS, much like the BCS. So no matter what has happened in the past really doesnt have anything to do with the process now.

You are correct polls do not matter, but now the human affect is diminished also. Polls are for fans to complain about. Look at the TSN poll they do not take the top 8 and give them seeds, they aren't even on the same page.

Griz Might get a seed I'd EWU loses to cal poly and MSU. MSU loses to Griz and SUU. NAU loses to UNC and SUU.

There is your seed.


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