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Players That Will NOT Return Next Year

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kyle_sample said:
Also, fast forward to 3:50 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b5DndcbbsUE

3:35 to 3:50 seems relevant to another current debate...Stitt's player relations.
 
UMGriz75 said:
MrTitleist said:
UMGriz75 said:
MrTitleist said:
What's your proof that he wasn't [heavily recruited prior to Montana]?
"I was a small-college player, and I never had anybody in my entire coaching career call me up and say, 'Hey, you want this job?' I've had to interview and grind for every job I ever got," Stitt said. "This is the first time somebody [Montana] called me and asked me if I was interested. I've been ready for this for a long time."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13529396/montana-grizzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches
That doesn't mean he hasn't interviewed anywhere else. Scuttle says that plenty of people were interested in him as an OC and he turned them down. I know Bob had interest in other schools but didn't get an interview.
Well, the operative word was "recruited." That's his statement about it.

Your butt seems especially hurt today. Need a hug, big fella?
 
75 getting his ass kicked. Love it. Everyone watch, despite hit hopes, Stitt is not the downfall of Montana football.


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UMGriz75 said:
kyle_sample said:
For a guy who says he was a really good journalist, you're doing an absolutely bang up job of solidifying the fears of those who don't trust the media. Stitt said all of those things about the team and then took the blame for not having his team mentally or emotionally prepared.
Context is everything. At least now you admit he said those things "about the team." He blamed them. You had denied that earlier.

He didn't take the blame at the time he said those things; and he did not take the blame at the post-Cat game presser, either. He finally did take the blame at the subsequent presser; really the first time he did so unequivocally, without blaming the team. Got the timing straight?

I really don't care that you are trying so vociferously to pretend that Stitt didn't blame the team or individual players. It seems to be an agenda with you; a "narrative" you really need to sell, for some reason. It's just false, that's your problem. Stitt has blamed the team or individual players often and regularly. It was one of my criticisms of him beginning last year. I don't think its an appropriate public coach behavior. The last half of this season, it became blatant, as the quotes demonstrate. He said what he said. Your denials are just bizarre. The statements are clear.

On top of your egregiously false claim that Stitt was heavily recruited prior to accepting the Montana job, I no longer have trust in what you write. You're not an honest reporter, as this exchange demonstrates. I just don't see what you have to gain by claiming that Stitt didn't say what he obviously said, or that he was heavily recruited when he wasn't. Isn't it just easier to report what actually happened?

As much as I hate to say it, 75 is correct on this from my perspective. I don't listen to Stitt often, but when I do I typically end it with a wince because of comments he makes about kids/team not doing....... and he speaks out of both sides of his mouth about his responsibility. Just my 2 cents.
 
When I coached high school basketball, I had teams that peaked and others that diminished over the course of the season. My conclusion of why this happened? Player "buy-in" of the system and respect for the coach. Also, I learned that you can't force your system onto your talent, but you must change your system to fit your talent. So who shouldn't return next year? Stitt as offensive coordinator!
 
umwsufan said:
When I coached high school basketball, I had teams that peaked and others that diminished over the course of the season. My conclusion of why this happened? Player "buy-in" of the system and respect for the coach. Also, I learned that you can't force your system onto your talent, but you must change your system to fit your talent. So who shouldn't return next year? Stitt as offensive coordinator!
That I agree with 100 per cent.
 
poorgriz said:
kyle_sample said:
UMGriz75 said:
HelenaHandBasket said:
First, I have never mentioned what the games may or may not have told me. Second, I did see and listen to his comments. You seem to play fast and loose with what you believe are facts and mold them to further your diatribe.
His comments where he blamed the whole team for lack of fire, the Cat game post-game presser where he blamed the team's youth, or the subsequent presser where he reversed and finally accepted personal responsibility? I do my research, and you don't do any, so we have inevitable differences of viewpoints.

He didn't blame the team. The only time he mentioned not playing with fire was against Northern Arizona and this was his response to why that was: "That’s my job. That’s what they pay me for is to work with these guys and help them have a chance and help them be successful. This isn’t an X and O thing. This is just wanting to go out and play football. It all runs downhill and starts with the head coach."
....he also said he would look to the upperclassmen and position coaches for help getting the team fired up when they are on the road. He said he never noticed an issue with the team not playing with "fire" at home.

Also, Ryan Johnson agreed with him: "It’s on us 100 percent. We just gotta make sure we’re ready to go when the bullets start flying, when that first snap happens and do our and jobs and make plays."

True, but that was right before Ryan commented on the play that sealed the loss for them by saying, "Somebody behind me didn't do their job." :coffee:

And before you slam me I don't blame the kid for saying that because he was right and he was frustrated. It just doesn't exactly scream team unity as others are suggesting. He probably should have just said something like, "I'm not sure if there was a miscommunication or a mistake in the backfield or what...."

Or scheme or play call. They took a chance and lined up all 11 on the LOS. Murray trips or Sully drops it, or the DB corrects and makes a play, it's "Potentially"a different conversation this week. That was more on the DC than the players IMO.
 
Walkon79 said:
Or scheme or play call. They took a chance and lined up all 11 on the LOS. Murray trips or Sully drops it, or the DB corrects and makes a play, it's "Potentially"a different conversation this week. That was more on the DC than the players IMO.
There is a lot on this DC.
 
kyle_sample said:
He did take the blame at the time he said those things. I have the press conferences recorded and transcribed. But we're in a post facts world.
You don't understand your self-imposed role as a sports reporter. That was my original point about you. You now argue that "OK, he blamed the team" but he also "took the blame himself." It's only an ambiguity as to whether you are arguing Stitt is schizophrenic, you are schizophrenic, or you both are. It does underscore the fact that you suffer an impressive cognitive dissonance -- the ability to express two contrary thoughts at the same time, and argue that they are both true.

The fact is, your initial explosion on this point, combined with a continuing series of contradictions and as your angry and unapologentic defense of Stitt proves -- you do not seem to comprehend your own presentation -- that you are an advocate and hardly an unbiased reporter. As one of your acquaintances noted on another thread, you revel in being the recipient of "dirt" and "highly confidential" information from coaches about players and staff. I had expected an immediate and resounding denunciation a stern repudiation from you of the libel of UM coaches -- at least in part because of the odd allegation of violation of Federal student privacy laws -- but from you there was none forthcoming. I was quite surprised, but apparently you do bask in the faux sense of intimacy from favors from coaches.

You are bought and sold. But if the price was merely your integrity, the cost was cheap.
 
UMGriz75 said:
kyle_sample said:
He did take the blame at the time he said those things. I have the press conferences recorded and transcribed. But we're in a post facts world.
You don't understand your self-imposed role as a sports reporter. That was my original point about you. You now argue that "OK, he blamed the team" but he also "took the blame himself." It's only an ambiguity as to whether you are arguing Stitt is schizophrenic, you are schizophrenic, or you both are. It does underscore the fact that you suffer an impressive cognitive dissonance -- the ability to express two contrary thoughts at the same time, and argue that they are both true.

The fact is, your initial explosion on this point, combined with a continuing series of contradictions and as your angry and unapologentic defense of Stitt proves -- you do not seem to comprehend your own presentation -- that you are an advocate and hardly an unbiased reporter. As one of your acquaintances noted on another thread, you revel in being the recipient of "dirt" and "highly confidential" information from coaches about players and staff. I had expected an immediate and resounding denunciation of the libel of UM coaches -- at least in part because of the odd allegation of violation of Federal student privacy laws -- but from you there was none forthcoming. I was quite surprised, but apparently you do bask in the faux sense of intimacy from favors from coaches.

You are bought and sold. But if the price was merely your integrity, the cost was cheap.

What a total douche bag.
 
UMGriz75 said:
kyle_sample said:
He did take the blame at the time he said those things. I have the press conferences recorded and transcribed. But we're in a post facts world.
You don't understand your self-imposed role as a sports reporter. That was my original point about you. You now argue that "OK, he blamed the team" but he also "took the blame himself." It's only an ambiguity as to whether you are arguing Stitt is schizophrenic, you are schizophrenic, or you both are. It does underscore the fact that you suffer an impressive cognitive dissonance -- the ability to express two contrary thoughts at the same time, and argue that they are both true.

The fact is, your initial explosion on this point, combined with a continuing series of contradictions and as your angry and unapologentic defense of Stitt proves -- you do not seem to comprehend your own presentation -- that you are an advocate and hardly an unbiased reporter. As one of your acquaintances noted on another thread, you revel in being the recipient of "dirt" and "highly confidential" information from coaches about players and staff. I had expected an immediate and resounding denunciation a stern repudiation from you of the libel of UM coaches -- at least in part because of the odd allegation of violation of Federal student privacy laws -- but from you there was none forthcoming. I was quite surprised, but apparently you do bask in the faux sense of intimacy from favors from coaches.

You are bought and sold. But if the price was merely your integrity, the cost was cheap.
Good God! What an uncalled-for diatribe!
 
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