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Players That Will NOT Return Next Year

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UMGriz75 said:
kyle_sample said:
He didn't blame the team.
Well, people are just going to have to judge for themselves why you write things like that and why you persist in it. It obviously colors your reporting.
Bob Stitt: "We came out just… flat. Didn’t play with any intensity. Didn’t match any of their intensity at all, and they outplayed us. Flat outplayed us.”
Our guys have to be mentally ready. We were not this past weekend.”
“Hopefully it wakes some guys up,” he said.
“We just didn’t come out with any type of fire and that’s been a problem for a while”
Apparently, it is just that difficult to identify who he is talking about there, and that he was not talking about the UM Football Team, but that "us," "we," "our guys," and "some guys" refers to people not on the team, and that it's "been a problem for a while," for people other than the football players.

OK. Call it a tough one, then, and people can disagree about who he was talking about. :roll:

For a guy who says he was a really good journalist, you're doing an absolutely bang up job of solidifying the fears of those who don't trust the media. Stitt said all of those things about the team and then took the blame for not having his team mentally or emotionally prepared. Perhaps different things are being said behind closed doors, none of know (except 75 who teaches judo to the football team). But publicly Stitt has questioned certain things about players, and the team in general and then accepted the blame for those shortcomings. You wouldn't know that by reading the quotes 75 is either pulling in their entirety from stories, or cutting up to provide strength to the argument.
 
75--I am not denying what you are saying. But if Stitt is acting like you are portraying, then he has a mental illness and should be seeking professional help.
 
grzz said:
OU812! said:
Allezchat said:
How was Henderson handled?

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Very poorly...If half of what I was told is true! His illness and medical issues were never taken seriously by the University.

What I heard really disturbed me because he gave his heart to this program, community and fans. When the time came for them to give the compassion he needed in return from UM Athletic Department, they completely failed to do so.

I was also told that Stitt never reached out to the family in any capacity and that Kent essentially told his father that he needed to allow his son to grow up because "he was an adult now...he doesn't need you to be as involved!"

I know he wasn't a "montana kid" but if true, this is completely unacceptable in my mind.
The program supported him through the year he had to withdraw. They welcomed him back. Kent was the AD through all of that. The school helped him get his waiver to gain a six year of eligibility. I find what you are implying hard to believe.

Do you think Stitt wouldn't have wanted a Senior Ellis Henderson with all these freshman? The NCAA has rules and the waiver likely came with conditions. There are only so many things either Haslam or Stitt could even have done in those situations. For example, if you don't go to class, you may fail, and you may lose your eligibility. If that is due to medical issues, Haslam and Stitt couldn't make that call even if they wanted to.

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Apparently you are closer to the situation than I am, but his 6th yr would have been this season that just wrapped up, not the 2015 season. He had a redshirt year to burn and that is what was used for the 2014 medical waiver as documented late summer of 2015. However, I am told that the Stitt & Halsem decided to rescinded his scholarship.

I was told by another poster to get my facts and do my research before going on rants here...so I made some phone calls last night in advance of this response and here's what I know.

He was behind his plan to graduate but I think we all know why and the NCAA is very accepting of such circumstances amongst todays college athlete. He was enrolled in 18 credit hours in fall of 2015 - eighteen! So he was making an obvious effort. Little did I know, but the most pressing personal health issue facing these athletes today is not Concussions...it is actually Mental Health!

My feeling is that they did not take his issues seriously, this is common place with metal health, so he was never provided with the true level of care (through the University) that is necessary in such an instance. Mr Hendersons involvement was directly attached to efforts associated with receiving the treatment and resources necessary for his son to succeed on and off the field.

Now, I will defend the University by stating that the resources required to do such are outside of the University system for student health. It would require an additional investment by the University as well and apparently they felt he (Ellis) was no longer worth that effort. Despite the challenges associated with his conditions and academic status.

You would have to agree that this is extremely disappointing to hear (if even remotely true).

The fact that Stitt never made a point to build a relationship with the family especially given that Hendersons father is a sports professional (working at Cal Poly in athletics at that time) really makes me question the department and this coach. Plus, if the decision to take his scholarship is true, then it was performed in a manner that left this athlete with very few options.

It was done in mid January (after exit interviews) just before the return to campus for spring semester. At a point were it would make it nearly impossible for him to utilize options available to him that would allow for him to finish the pursuit of his degree, receive another deserved scholarship and get that 6th year of eligibility you speak of this fall.

My biggest issue is the lack of personal touch in this instance, if Kent did tell Mr Henderson that he was too close to the situation and that he needed to step back to allow his son to grow up, then he is just plan in the wrong.

Being a parent myself, I would find It unacceptable for anyone to tell me how I should be involved and what I should be involved with as a parent, when my child is going through such a difficult situation as depression, anxiety and thoughts of suicide.

At any level that is plan wrong. UM should have invited the parents in to learn more about the situation, instead it appears that Mr Henderson was told to go away and let the University handle it. He was promised that his scholarship would always be there.

I dont care how you look at it, if what i was told by this family member, this was and is flat out the wrong thing and way to handle such! I am sure you would agree.
 
kyle_sample said:
For a guy who says he was a really good journalist, you're doing an absolutely bang up job of solidifying the fears of those who don't trust the media. Stitt said all of those things about the team and then took the blame for not having his team mentally or emotionally prepared.
Context is everything. At least now you admit he said those things "about the team." He blamed them. You had denied that earlier.

He didn't take the blame at the time he said those things; and he did not take the blame at the post-Cat game presser, either. He finally did take the blame at the subsequent presser; really the first time he did so unequivocally, without blaming the team. Got the timing straight?

I really don't care that you are trying so vociferously to pretend that Stitt didn't blame the team or individual players. It seems to be an agenda with you; a "narrative" you really need to sell, for some reason. It's just false, that's your problem. Stitt has blamed the team or individual players often and regularly. It was one of my criticisms of him beginning last year. I don't think its an appropriate public coach behavior. The last half of this season, it became blatant, as the quotes demonstrate. He said what he said. Your denials are just bizarre. The statements are clear.

On top of your egregiously false claim that Stitt was heavily recruited prior to accepting the Montana job, I no longer have trust in what you write. You're not an honest reporter, as this exchange demonstrates. I just don't see what you have to gain by claiming that Stitt didn't say what he obviously said, or that he was heavily recruited when he wasn't. Isn't it just easier to report what actually happened?
 
UMGriz75 said:
On top of your egregiously false claim that Stitt was heavily recruited prior to accepting the Montana job, I no longer have trust in what you write. You're not an honest reporter, as this exchange demonstrates. I just don't see what you have to gain by claiming that Stitt didn't say what he obviously said, or that he was heavily recruited when he wasn't. Isn't it just easier to report what actually happened?

What's your proof that he wasn't?
 
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MrTitleist said:
What's your proof that he wasn't [heavily recruited prior to Montana]?
"I was a small-college player, and I never had anybody in my entire coaching career call me up and say, 'Hey, you want this job?' I've had to interview and grind for every job I ever got," Stitt said. "This is the first time somebody [Montana] called me and asked me if I was interested. I've been ready for this for a long time."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13529396/montana-grizzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches
 
UMGriz75 said:
MrTitleist said:
What's your proof that he wasn't [recruited]?
"I was a small-college player, and I never had anybody in my entire coaching career call me up and say, 'Hey, you want this job?' I've had to interview and grind for every job I ever got," Stitt said. "This is the first time somebody [Montana] called me and asked me if I was interested. I've been ready for this for a long time."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13529396/montana-grizzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches

so stitt received a call asking him to apply for the montana job... from montana. how much heavier should the recruiter be for you to acknowledge the weight?
 
UMGriz75 said:
MrTitleist said:
What's your proof that he wasn't [heavily recruited prior to Montana]?
"I was a small-college player, and I never had anybody in my entire coaching career call me up and say, 'Hey, you want this job?' I've had to interview and grind for every job I ever got," Stitt said. "This is the first time somebody [Montana] called me and asked me if I was interested. I've been ready for this for a long time."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13529396/montana-grizzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches

That doesn't mean he hasn't interviewed anywhere else. Scuttle says that plenty of people were interested in him as an OC and he turned them down. I know Bob had interest in other schools but didn't get an interview.
 
MrTitleist said:
UMGriz75 said:
MrTitleist said:
What's your proof that he wasn't [heavily recruited prior to Montana]?
"I was a small-college player, and I never had anybody in my entire coaching career call me up and say, 'Hey, you want this job?' I've had to interview and grind for every job I ever got," Stitt said. "This is the first time somebody [Montana] called me and asked me if I was interested. I've been ready for this for a long time."
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/13529396/montana-grizzlies-coach-bob-stitt-cult-favorite-coaches
That doesn't mean he hasn't interviewed anywhere else. Scuttle says that plenty of people were interested in him as an OC and he turned them down. I know Bob had interest in other schools but didn't get an interview.
Well, the operative word was "recruited." That's his statement about it.
 
argh! said:
Aso stitt received a call asking him to apply for the montana job... from montana. how much heavier should the recruiter be for you to acknowledge the weight?
The original exchange was that Stitt was heavily recruited prior to being recruited by Montana, but had turned everyone down. Mr. Titleist confirms that understanding from "the scuttle." It was part of the "meme" generated at the time of Stitt's hiring. I remember reading it and no doubt like most assumed it was true and that Stitt was a really picky guy and so Montana was lucky in the hire. I was surprised when I read the ESPN piece and found that Montana was the only school that had ever actively "recruited" him, at least, according to Stitt. For whatever it is worth at this point, it was an impression received by Griz Nation and Stitt was not responsible for it, but it was in "the scuttle."
 
MrTitleist said:
I know Bob had interest in other schools but didn't get an interview.
Yes, he had applied to NDSU in 2003. But, at that point, his Mines record was 1-3, 4-4, 4-4 and 4-4. Little doubt that he didn't get an interview.
 
UMGriz75 said:
kyle_sample said:
For a guy who says he was a really good journalist, you're doing an absolutely bang up job of solidifying the fears of those who don't trust the media. Stitt said all of those things about the team and then took the blame for not having his team mentally or emotionally prepared.
Context is everything. At least now you admit he said those things "about the team." He blamed them. You had denied that earlier.

He didn't take the blame at the time he said those things; and he did not take the blame at the post-Cat game presser, either. He finally did take the blame at the subsequent presser; really the first time he did so unequivocally, without blaming the team. Got the timing straight?

I really don't care that you are trying so vociferously to pretend that Stitt didn't blame the team or individual players. It seems to be an agenda with you; a "narrative" you really need to sell, for some reason. It's just false, that's your problem. Stitt has blamed the team or individual players often and regularly. It was one of my criticisms of him beginning last year. I don't think its an appropriate public coach behavior. The last half of this season, it became blatant, as the quotes demonstrate. He said what he said. Your denials are just bizarre. The statements are clear.

On top of your egregiously false claim that Stitt was heavily recruited prior to accepting the Montana job, I no longer have trust in what you write. You're not an honest reporter, as this exchange demonstrates. I just don't see what you have to gain by claiming that Stitt didn't say what he obviously said, or that he was heavily recruited when he wasn't. Isn't it just easier to report what actually happened?

He did take the blame at the time he said those things. I have the press conferences recorded and transcribed. But we're in a post facts world. A new reality you continue to prove and thrive in. Just look at your continued claim that I reported Stitt was recruited or received other job offers. You continue to say I reported this but still cannot furnish those reports. So until you can do such, you're basically just Trump going around saying he's discovered evidence that Obama was not born in the US.
This is all just a derivative of me saying something you wrote was "complete bullshit" -!; your continued mental collapse in the wake. You'll eventually realize that it's ok to say something that is completely bullshit. We all do and we all move on with our lives when we're called out for it. Someday, maybe even soon, you'll do the same. Until then you can continue slandering my name to everybody who will listen to you. Happy Holidays, 75!
 
What I think you are all missing, weather he threw his players under the bus or took the blame himself, in the middle of that presser he said that he knew "his system works" so don't expect big changes in the schematics.

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