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Pioneer Football League Tie Breaker Fiasco

Montana Gym Rat

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So they have some fun going into the AQ selction process.

http://www.pioneer-football.org/pfl/tiebreaker/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After San Diego dropped themselves from AQ consideration, the PFL adjusted the tiebreaker system: http://www.pioneer-football.org/news/archives/2013/920/pioneer-football-league-announces-adjustment-to-tiebreaker-criteria/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So they now utilize an average ranking of the SRS and CPUs that make up the GPI. That is unless the SRS isn't published for FCS teams before the Playoffs (which they should). Before this adjustment, it would have solely been decided by SRS - which Marist ended up with the better ranking. So before the adjustment, Marist would have taken the AQ.

So how does it pan out now with the new tiebreaker? Each team gets 1st or 2nd for the 7 CPU rankings and the SRS.

SRS - Marist
LAZ - Butler
ASH - Butler
BOR - Marist
SEL - Butler
SAG - Marist
MAS - Butler
KEE - Butler

So Butler has 5 out of the 7 CPU Rankings, which gives them a 5 to 3 tie breaker win over Marist.

Instead of Marist getting the AQ based on the original tie-breaking rules, it now goes to Butler. What a messed up situation.*

*Assuming the Rankings don't change significantly enough for these two teams since they are done playing. The Rankings aren't final until November 23rd....
 
I'd also like to point out it is entirely possible to still end up with a tie after this method since there are 8 rankings. Teams could split 4 to 4 (which Butler and Marist came pretty close).

The PFL needs to get their shit together if they want to be part of the FCS playoffs.
 
The timing thing bugs me on USD's decision to drop from playoff consideration. I imagine their grant in aid system has been in place for a while and was probably no secret to the rest of the league. Why wait until nearly the end of the season to figure out that it would disqualify them?
 
OldtiredGRiz said:
The timing thing bugs me on USD's decision to drop from playoff consideration. I imagine their grant in aid system has been in place for a while and was probably no secret to the rest of the league. Why wait until nearly the end of the season to figure out that it would disqualify them?
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Keeps more fans coming?
 
Montana Gym Rat said:
So they have some fun going into the AQ selction process.

http://www.pioneer-football.org/pfl/tiebreaker/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After San Diego dropped themselves from AQ consideration, the PFL adjusted the tiebreaker system: http://www.pioneer-football.org/news/archives/2013/920/pioneer-football-league-announces-adjustment-to-tiebreaker-criteria/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So they now utilize an average ranking of the SRS and CPUs that make up the GPI. That is unless the SRS isn't published for FCS teams before the Playoffs (which they should). Before this adjustment, it would have solely been decided by SRS - which Marist ended up with the better ranking. So before the adjustment, Marist would have taken the AQ.

So how does it pan out now with the new tiebreaker? Each team gets 1st or 2nd for the 7 CPU rankings and the SRS.

SRS - Marist
LAZ - Butler
ASH - Butler
BOR - Marist
SEL - Butler
SAG - Marist
MAS - Butler
KEE - Butler

So Butler has 5 out of the 7 CPU Rankings, which gives them a 5 to 3 tie breaker win over Marist.

Instead of Marist getting the AQ based on the original tie-breaking rules, it now goes to Butler. What a messed up situation.
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I saw those changes (and put them on another thread, as you may recall), but didn't know how they would play out.

So Butler (9-3, 7-1 in conference), which fattened their schedule with two wins against Division-III (yes, D-3) schools, "wins" the auto-bid with this ridiculous tie-breaker method. (Any chance some of the rankings haven't been updated, and could change? Could the SRS then turn it around?)

Meanwhile, Marist (8-3, 7-1 in conference), which played an all-FCS schedule, gets screwed -- there's got to be no chance they get an at-large bid.
 
All 7 of the GPI CPU polls are updated and published at this point. Butler is ranked higher in 5 of them. That's all she wrote.
 
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=11605&s=199231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.knology.net/jashburn/football/archive/CF_2013_Hybrid.html#IAA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.lazindex.com/ncaa.php?sort=div" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://home.comcast.net/~keepersfootball/fcsrank.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://github.com/jeffself/collegefootballrankings/blob/master/cfrank2013.txt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.bornpowerindex.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
Absolutely no chance Marist gets an at-large playoff spot.

They are ranked somewhere around 75th to 80th in the GPI and SRS.

(Sorry for the multiple posts, kept answering pieces of the post... :thumb: )
 
It's annoying the PFL is allowed in the FCS playoffs. Very rarely do they stand up to FCS teams very well. But at the same time, I wish the Ivy and SWAC would get their shit together and join the playoffs.
 
ALTHOUGH - we should make sure to point this out.

All of these rankings aren't final yet. We still have a weekend of football left. I'm not sure how much the rankings will change, but these two teams are only 3 to 5 spots apart from each other in a few of those CPU polls.
 
From earlier:
IdaGriz01 said:
... So Butler (9-3, 7-1 in conference), which fattened their schedule with two wins against Division-III (yes, D-3) schools, "wins" the auto-bid with this ridiculous tie-breaker method. (Any chance some of the rankings haven't been updated, and could change? Could the SRS then turn it around?)

Meanwhile, Marist (8-3, 7-1 in conference), which played an all-FCS schedule, gets screwed -- there's got to be no chance they get an at-large bid.
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Montana Gym Rat said:
ALTHOUGH - we should make sure to point this out.

All of these rankings aren't final yet. We still have a weekend of football left. I'm not sure how much the rankings will change, but these two teams are only 3 to 5 spots apart from each other in a few of those CPU polls.
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Nothing changed. The league has made the selection and Butler -- with its D-III schedule -- gets the automatic bid:http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/...network&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4641331

What a travesty! :(
 
IdaGriz01 said:
From earlier:
IdaGriz01 said:
... So Butler (9-3, 7-1 in conference), which fattened their schedule with two wins against Division-III (yes, D-3) schools, "wins" the auto-bid with this ridiculous tie-breaker method. (Any chance some of the rankings haven't been updated, and could change? Could the SRS then turn it around?)

Meanwhile, Marist (8-3, 7-1 in conference), which played an all-FCS schedule, gets screwed -- there's got to be no chance they get an at-large bid.
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Montana Gym Rat said:
ALTHOUGH - we should make sure to point this out.

All of these rankings aren't final yet. We still have a weekend of football left. I'm not sure how much the rankings will change, but these two teams are only 3 to 5 spots apart from each other in a few of those CPU polls.
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Nothing changed. The league has made the selection and Butler -- with its D-III schedule -- gets the automatic bid:http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/...network&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4641331

What a travesty! :(
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Boy - that's interesting. Now I'm really hoping some of the CPU rankings change enough with the last weekend of results to botch this continued poor handling of their AQ status.

And that's not completely out of the question:
- Massey has Butler ranked 70th and Marist 72nd.
- Self has Butler ranked 68th and Marist 74th.

Those are close enough where their opponents' performance this weekend could shift the rankings...


**Not to mention that Marist is rated higher in the SRS despite it being "unpublished". C'mon - it's easy enough to calculate, and actually - it has been published the last couple of weeks: http://www.footballperspective.com/non-fbs-college-football-ratings-through-12-weeks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Latest results, Marist at 10.3 SRS score and Butler at 9.6 SRS score.

Although, the guy calculating SRS at this site says it is not official in any capacity. So what is this mysterious SRS ranking that all of these conferences and committees keep referring to? Can we get some clarification or details about what the hell this Simple Ranking System is all about?
 
Montana Gym Rat said:
IdaGriz01 said:
From earlier:
IdaGriz01 said:
... So Butler (9-3, 7-1 in conference), which fattened their schedule with two wins against Division-III (yes, D-3) schools, "wins" the auto-bid with this ridiculous tie-breaker method. (Any chance some of the rankings haven't been updated, and could change? Could the SRS then turn it around?)

Meanwhile, Marist (8-3, 7-1 in conference), which played an all-FCS schedule, gets screwed -- there's got to be no chance they get an at-large bid.
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Montana Gym Rat said:
ALTHOUGH - we should make sure to point this out.

All of these rankings aren't final yet. We still have a weekend of football left. I'm not sure how much the rankings will change, but these two teams are only 3 to 5 spots apart from each other in a few of those CPU polls.
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Nothing changed. The league has made the selection and Butler -- with its D-III schedule -- gets the automatic bid:http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/...network&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4641331

What a travesty! :(
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Boy - that's interesting. Now I'm really hoping some of the CPU rankings change enough with the last weekend of results to botch this continued poor handling of their AQ status.

And that's not completely out of the question:
- Massey has Butler ranked 70th and Marist 72nd.
- Self has Butler ranked 68th and Marist 74th.

Those are close enough where their opponents' performance this weekend could shift the rankings...
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I like your thinking. But I'll bet the league would refuse to admit they were wrong and will go with Butler no matter what. :(
 
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