Pflu Vs Delaney 2012

[CV Griz Fan]

What would the Griz record be through 7 games of the 2012 season if Robin Pflugrad was still the Head Coach? Which games would he have won that Delaney lost if any? Pflugrad would have had to still deal with the exits of JJ and the two Coordinators. He would have had to re-tool the defense too. Could he have done significantly better with this Griz team given the youth it has? It would have been interesting.

 

[kurtismichael]

What would the Griz record be through 7 games of the 2012 season if Robin Pflugrad was still the Head Coach? Which games would he have won that Delaney lost if any? Pflugrad would have had to still deal with the exits of JJ and the two Coordinators. He would have had to re-tool the defense too. Could he have done significantly better with this Griz team given the youth it has? It would have been interesting.

I think that the Griz would be more along the lines of 5-2 with Pflu just for the fact that there would be continuity at the top and also better decision as far as clock management, special teams etc.

 

[mtgrizrule]

5-2 at the worst. The offense would be clicking on all cylinders, and WR/QB's would be on the same page. Right now they are not on the same page.

 

[BWahlberg]

I'd say 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I'd wonder how Pflu and Rosey would click together, we've seen inefficiencies on the offense coming from playcalling and the system changes Rosey brought it - could have led to similar meltdowns like we saw in the NAU and SUU games.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I'd say 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I'd wonder how Pflu and Rosey would click together, we've seen inefficiencies on the offense coming from playcalling and the system changes Rosey brought it - could have led to similar meltdowns like we saw in the NAU and SUU games.

Pflu would have taught Rosenbach more about the system, and would have definitely mixed it up more, and had more say on the play calling. The offense was Pflu's pride and joy. Just like special teams were Hauck's baby.

 

[George Ferguson]

I agree with Brint that Plfu would have some influence in the offense, but some of the rest of you are posting like you think Delaney hired Rosey. Robin Pflugrad HIRED Rosey to be the OC, not just a QB coach. So if you're gong to blast Rosey, then you need to blast Pflu because he made the decision to make Rosy the OC. And if you go back and read Robin's quotes when he brought Rosey on board, NONE of them suggested that he would be running the O over Rosenbach's head.

 

[stubbins]

I agree with Brint that Plfu would have some influence in the offense, but some of the rest of you are posting like you think Delaney hired Rosey. Robin Pflugrad HIRED Rosey to be the OC, not just a QB coach. So if you're gong to blast Rosey, then you need to blast Pflu because he made the decision to make Rosy the OC. And if you go back and read Robin's quotes when he brought Rosey on board, NONE of them suggested that he would be running the O over Rosenbach's head.

well, Pflu brought in smith and ran the O over his head toward the end of last season. Pflu would've spent every waking hour with rosey going over his offensive strategy and schemes to try and bring him up to speed.

Delaney still remembers when the forward pass was illegal, and can't understand why coaches have figured out how to use it so quickly after its legalization. He's got a picture of Knute Rockne on his wall. He thinks Dr. Naismith's newfound "basket ball" will quickly fade into oblivion...

 

[uofmman1122]

I'd say 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I'd wonder how Pflu and Rosey would click together, we've seen inefficiencies on the offense coming from playcalling and the system changes Rosey brought it - could have led to similar meltdowns like we saw in the NAU and SUU games.

Honestly, I think Rosie was brought in to make our QBs better. Pflu was the mastermind of the offense. I think most of the O problems we see are because, without Pflu, we don't know how to really run his offense. :?

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Could he have done significantly better with this Griz team given the youth it has? It

Replacing several of last year's seniors, breaking in a new freshman QB, new coordinators, wondering about NCAA investigation, worrying about when/if the axe would fall on his own neck...

No, he would not have done significantly better.
The 2012 Griz are dealing with much more than a coaching change.

 

[Potomac Griz]

5-2 at worst. 6-1 is very likely.

I don't see us blowing the big leads in both the NAU and EWU game like we did.
I don't see us ...doing whatever the fuck happened during the SUU game. I really don't see that punt debacle happening..that's for sure.
Probably would've still lost to App State.

The biggest issues with this team right now are not the players. It seems most of the big time fuckups that have directly impacted the game have come from the sidelines, not from a mistake on the field by the players. Fumbles happen. Ints happen... that punt defense should NOT have happened. What we've seen every time we get the lead should NOT happen. The players have no control over that.

I could go on and on, but it's been rehashed multiple times.

 

[GRZFTBL]

7-0 w/ Hauck. He's ELITE in the FCS.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

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[mtgriz]

5-2 at worst. 6-1 is very likely.

I don't see us blowing the big leads in both the NAU and EWU game like we did.
I don't see us ...doing whatever the f*** happened during the SUU game. I really don't see that punt debacle happening..that's for sure.
Probably would've still lost to App State.

I love how all these what-if analyses rest on the premise that the games would go exactly the same with Pflugrad or Delaney as the coach, and then at the moment when the games turn, all of a sudden Pflugrad would have had the team perform in a better and winning way.

 

[Potomac Griz]

5-2 at worst. 6-1 is very likely.

I don't see us blowing the big leads in both the NAU and EWU game like we did.
I don't see us ...doing whatever the f*** happened during the SUU game. I really don't see that punt debacle happening..that's for sure.
Probably would've still lost to App State.

I love how all these what-if analyses rest on the premise that the games would go exactly the same with Pflugrad or Delaney as the coach, and then at the moment when the games turn, all of a sudden Pflugrad would have had the team perform in a better and winning way.

Of course the game wouldn't have gone the same, and in fact we may not have been in the situations at all. Maybe we blow out those teams, maybe we get blown out (doubtful). This is all what-if scenarios obviously and just based on opinions of the posters who have watched teams under both coaches.

Do you think that Pflu would kick off to begin both halves? Do you think that punt defense would've been used in the SUU game? Do you think we would've given up the leads to NAU and EWU by going into an offensive shell due to the play calling? Not going to list all the other wtf moments...

Those weren't issues with the players not playing well, those were issues with the coaching decisions that directly cost us points and very likely cost us at least a couple games so far this year.

That's why I find this thread semi-interesting. I don't see the same types of mistakes being made by Pflu in his 3rd year coaching, especially after the end of last season and how the Griz offense was rolling. As soon as we got a little lead we didn't take our foot off the gas back then.

 

[Htowngriz]

I'd say 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I'd wonder how Pflu and Rosey would click together, we've seen inefficiencies on the offense coming from playcalling and the system changes Rosey brought it - could have led to similar meltdowns like we saw in the NAU and SUU games.

Honestly, I think Rosie was brought in to make our QBs better. Pflu was the mastermind of the offense. I think most of the O problems we see are because, without Pflu, we don't know how to really run his offense. :?

This.

 

[Raider]

I'd say 4-3 or 5-2 at best. I'd wonder how Pflu and Rosey would click together, we've seen inefficiencies on the offense coming from playcalling and the system changes Rosey brought it - could have led to similar meltdowns like we saw in the NAU and SUU games.

Do you really believe that, or are you just being diplomatic?

This team with Robin is 7-0/6-1, 5-2 at worst.

This team with Robin and “I should have called her back in the morning” is 7-0, 6-1 at worst.

 

[mtgriz]

5-2 at worst. 6-1 is very likely.

I don't see us blowing the big leads in both the NAU and EWU game like we did.
I don't see us ...doing whatever the f*** happened during the SUU game. I really don't see that punt debacle happening..that's for sure.
Probably would've still lost to App State.

I love how all these what-if analyses rest on the premise that the games would go exactly the same with Pflugrad or Delaney as the coach, and then at the moment when the games turn, all of a sudden Pflugrad would have had the team perform in a better and winning way.

Of course the game wouldn't have gone the same, and in fact we may not have been in the situations at all. Maybe we blow out those teams, maybe we get blown out (doubtful). This is all what-if scenarios obviously and just based on opinions of the posters who have watched teams under both coaches.

Do you think that Pflu would kick off to begin both halves? Do you think that punt defense would've been used in the SUU game? Do you think we would've given up the leads to NAU and EWU by going into an offensive shell due to the play calling? Not going to list all the other wtf moments...

Those weren't issues with the players not playing well, those were issues with the coaching decisions that directly cost us points and very likely cost us at least a couple games so far this year.

That's why I find this thread semi-interesting. I don't see the same types of mistakes being made by Pflu in his 3rd year coaching, especially after the end of last season and how the Griz offense was rolling. As soon as we got a little lead we didn't take our foot off the gas back then.

Do you think with how Delaney's Griz have performed up to the moment the what-if games turn, we would have fallen behind Sam Houston State 21-0 and 28-7 in the semi's last year? Now do you get my point?

Not a Delaney apologist...I agree some of his errors have been pretty bad, but the arguments about what would happen with Pflugrad in charge are mere speculation.

 

[kurtismichael]

5-2 at worst. 6-1 is very likely.

I don't see us blowing the big leads in both the NAU and EWU game like we did.
I don't see us ...doing whatever the f*** happened during the SUU game. I really don't see that punt debacle happening..that's for sure.
Probably would've still lost to App State.

I love how all these what-if analyses rest on the premise that the games would go exactly the same with Pflugrad or Delaney as the coach, and then at the moment when the games turn, all of a sudden Pflugrad would have had the team perform in a better and winning way.

Of course the game wouldn't have gone the same, and in fact we may not have been in the situations at all. Maybe we blow out those teams, maybe we get blown out (doubtful). This is all what-if scenarios obviously and just based on opinions of the posters who have watched teams under both coaches.

Do you think that Pflu would kick off to begin both halves? Do you think that punt defense would've been used in the SUU game? Do you think we would've given up the leads to NAU and EWU by going into an offensive shell due to the play calling? Not going to list all the other wtf moments...

Those weren't issues with the players not playing well, those were issues with the coaching decisions that directly cost us points and very likely cost us at least a couple games so far this year.

That's why I find this thread semi-interesting. I don't see the same types of mistakes being made by Pflu in his 3rd year coaching, especially after the end of last season and how the Griz offense was rolling. As soon as we got a little lead we didn't take our foot off the gas back then.

Do you think with how Delaney's Griz have performed up to the moment the what-if games turn, we would have fallen behind Sam Houston State 21-0 and 28-7 in the semi's last year? Now do you get my point?

Not a Delaney apologist...I agree some of his errors have been pretty bad, but the arguments about what would happen with Pflugrad in charge are mere speculation.

Isn't that part of the fun of being a fan is playing the what if game?

 

[Ashamed]

When Delaney got the keys to the Cadillac he was given one simple rule. Keep it on the road and don't wreck it.

We know what he did...

 

[Grizbeer]

I don't know how this year would have worked with Pflu instead of Delaney, I suspect 1 more win. However I think it is worht point out that if UM beats UND, ISU and Weber State delaney will have as many D-I wins in his first year as Pflu had in his first year. If UM wins out they probably make the playoffs, and Delany has more D-I wins than Pflu. And Pflu had for more upperclassmen playing, including a large number of players who would play pro after graduation and 3 NFL draft picks - does anyone see 3 draft picks in this years JR/Sr classes?

For all his dumb mistakes and bad coaching errors, it looks like Delaney might end up doing more with less than Pflu had. For as bad as the coaching has been it could still end up being an upgrade over Pflu.