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Pease and the Falsehood of "Stats"

Grisly Fan said:
argh! said:
since when have i been part of any collective?
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Just spit ballin’ but when you replied in this thread it made you part of the collective participants in the post.
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We’re all part of a collective, argh! Even if you don’t realize it.
 
First play of the game was a longer pass, then second play was a predictable run that was stuffed. Why not start the game with short passes and get Vidlak comfortable and soften the defense??? But nope, this shows a complete lack of understanding the Griz players and skill.
 
granitegriz said:
First play of the game was a longer pass, then second play was a predictable run that was stuffed. Why not start the game with short passes and get Vidlak comfortable and soften the defense??? But nope, this shows a complete lack of understanding the Griz players and skill.
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If there is one thing that football coaches don't understand, it is football players and their skills.
 
granitegriz said:
Elrod, the coaches can't be critiqued any? Guess we all just need to follow your example. 👃🏾
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Feel free. You can share your thoughts and opinions, I can share mine. That's how conversations go. I don't call names or insult people, and I often don't even say that people are wrong. Just that I disagree. I'm not a poster on here that flames people for their opinions, and I will continue to feel free to share mine just like you should share yours. I have had critiques of coaching over the years, I just don't put most of it on blast in public forums. Recruits and families of recruits do sometimes look at this page, and I don't personally plan to be trashing my alma mater's coaches or players on our board.

But the above poster saying that they have a better understanding of the Griz players and their skills than the coaches, well, that is just absurd. I felt sarcasm was warranted.
 
Brent Pease is a great OC and Montana is lucky to have him. If you've ever played or coached football, it doesn't matter if you have Vince Lombardi coaching your team if you don't have talented kids to execute the offense. You can have the best coaching in the game, but without talented players, it doesn't matter at all.
Brent Pease was one of the reasons, Montana won it's first national championship in 1995 which was his first true stint as an OC and they actually went back to the national championship game the following year but lost to Marshall because Randy Moss was playing. But his offenses he orchestrated and the players that ran his offense hold a ton of Grizzly records til this day
The offense all starts with the O-line and the QB and although the O-line is supposed to be the strength of our offense, it struggled big time last week and the first week. And not to mention Vidlak isn't the most talented QB either. You can make every excuse for the kid, he's still young, the line isn't giving him time, the receivers aren't getting open. Whatever the case is, he's not a very talented QB. He's a pretty good QB.
Coach Pease can call the best plays ever seen, but it won't matter because the players right now don't have the talent to execute it on a consistent basis. It amazes me how a lot of people blast Pease but don't really understand how much he's done in his career and how much knowledge he has about the game.
You might not like the plays he called last week, saying we need to throw more or do this and do that. He knows what he's doing. They just played 3 non conference games which means nothing, so why will he open his playbook? He's smart for running 5 different runs and maybe 7 different pass plays. Now the opposing teams will scheme against these 12 plays and will see a completely different scheme when they face us.
Bottom line is the offense will only go as far as the o-line and QB will take them. Pease will put them in a good position to succeed, but it's up to the kids to execute. If they can't execute then it's not the scheme, it's the lack of talent the offense possess.
 
Oldskoolgriz said:
Brent Pease is a great OC and Montana is lucky to have him. If you've ever played or coached football, it doesn't matter if you have Vince Lombardi coaching your team if you don't have talented kids to execute the offense. You can have the best coaching in the game, but without talented players, it doesn't matter at all.
Brent Pease was one of the reasons, Montana won it's first national championship in 1995 which was his first true stint as an OC and they actually went back to the national championship game the following year but lost to Marshall because Randy Moss was playing. But his offenses he orchestrated and the players that ran his offense hold a ton of Grizzly records til this day
The offense all starts with the O-line and the QB and although the O-line is supposed to be the strength of our offense, it struggled big time last week and the first week. And not to mention Vidlak isn't the most talented QB either. You can make every excuse for the kid, he's still young, the line isn't giving him time, the receivers aren't getting open. Whatever the case is, he's not a very talented QB. He's a pretty good QB.
Coach Pease can call the best plays ever seen, but it won't matter because the players right now don't have the talent to execute it on a consistent basis. It amazes me how a lot of people blast Pease but don't really understand how much he's done in his career and how much knowledge he has about the game.
You might not like the plays he called last week, saying we need to throw more or do this and do that. He knows what he's doing. They just played 3 non conference games which means nothing, so why will he open his playbook? He's smart for running 5 different runs and maybe 7 different pass plays. Now the opposing teams will scheme against these 12 plays and will see a completely different scheme when they face us.
Bottom line is the offense will only go as far as the o-line and QB will take them. Pease will put them in a good position to succeed, but it's up to the kids to execute. If they can't execute then it's not the scheme, it's the lack of talent the offense possess.
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Well, even if Pease is an all-world OC, he’s also a coach, and if these kids don’t “have the talent to execute” it, then THAT is on the coaching staff as well. They didn’t all just show up. They were offered, invited, signed…these are the kids that staff WANTED. So if THAT is truly the issue (and I don’t agree that it is), then that is a massive coaching fail across the board.
 
Oldskoolgriz said:
Brent Pease is a great OC and Montana is lucky to have him. If you've ever played or coached football, it doesn't matter if you have Vince Lombardi coaching your team if you don't have talented kids to execute the offense. You can have the best coaching in the game, but without talented players, it doesn't matter at all.
Brent Pease was one of the reasons, Montana won it's first national championship in 1995 which was his first true stint as an OC and they actually went back to the national championship game the following year but lost to Marshall because Randy Moss was playing. But his offenses he orchestrated and the players that ran his offense hold a ton of Grizzly records til this day
The offense all starts with the O-line and the QB and although the O-line is supposed to be the strength of our offense, it struggled big time last week and the first week. And not to mention Vidlak isn't the most talented QB either. You can make every excuse for the kid, he's still young, the line isn't giving him time, the receivers aren't getting open. Whatever the case is, he's not a very talented QB. He's a pretty good QB.
Coach Pease can call the best plays ever seen, but it won't matter because the players right now don't have the talent to execute it on a consistent basis. It amazes me how a lot of people blast Pease but don't really understand how much he's done in his career and how much knowledge he has about the game.
You might not like the plays he called last week, saying we need to throw more or do this and do that. He knows what he's doing. They just played 3 non conference games which means nothing, so why will he open his playbook? He's smart for running 5 different runs and maybe 7 different pass plays. Now the opposing teams will scheme against these 12 plays and will see a completely different scheme when they face us.
Bottom line is the offense will only go as far as the o-line and QB will take them. Pease will put them in a good position to succeed, but it's up to the kids to execute. If they can't execute then it's not the scheme, it's the lack of talent the offense possess.
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Welcome to the board Brent!

Time to shine and earn that coordinator salary! Start with improving the play of the players YOU recruited.
 
Elrod, good points as I was a little too negative. I was just talking about two plays though. Those two plays set the stage though. Griz offense has the talent at all positions. Vidlak is and will be great, but he is lacking confidence. All I am saying (to say it better), is the coaches are overthinking things, keep it simple and build Vidlak's confidence from the start.
 
granitegriz said:
Elrod, good points as I was a little too negative. I was just talking about two plays though. Those two plays set the stage though. Griz offense has the talent at all positions. Vidlak is and will be great, but he is lacking confidence. All I am saying (to say it better), is the coaches are overthinking things, keep it simple and build Vidlak's confidence from the start.
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You have absolutely every right to that opinion. Some of those may be RPO plays, where the QB gets to make the call between run and pass at the start of the play. Just food for thought.

Hopefully Sam gets all the confidence in the world out of these next couple weeks, and Cliff too. Hoping they are ready to roll for game 6.
 
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