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[WaGriz4life]

It is amazing to me how many people don't know about Cost of Attendance.

FIRST. NDSU has only offered C of A since the start of the 2016 academic year. HOW MANY TITLES DID THEY WIN BEFORE THAT???????

SECOND: The University of North Dakota offers C of A. If C of A is such a big deal, why is UND not winning football chippers?

THIRD: The team NDSU is playing in the chipper, James Madison, offers C of A. So would that NOT be a level playing field?

FOURTH. Cost of Attendance must be for every single scholarship offered in an athletic department. Sorry Olympic sport/tennis and golf and cross country haters, if the football and basketball teams get C of A, so do ALL of those sports too. Who's going to finance that again?

LASTLY: Those schools, mainly Griz fans and ESPECIALLY after today, Cat fans, bitching about C of A, are you publicly admitting the players you go to the games to support aren't good enough? Because that's exactly what it sounds like. Whining about not having it, sounds like "if we had it we would attract better players than we have" to me. So, these players like Brayden Konkol for the Cats or Dylan Cook for the Griz, what you're saying is, you love them but, you really wish you had someone else playing those positions???

You don’t have to provide it for every sport. Especially if it’s privately funded there is nothing stopping Griz donors from providing full cost of attendance stipends to football players. I believe this is in the works now.

Also, yes I do wish we had better players like NDSU has. Don’t you?

 

[WaGriz4life]

So we all know that NDSU provides the player stipends. Today I saw a clear level of talent difference between the Bizon and Cats. I suspect the Bizon handle whom ever they play is the NC game the same way.

If the Bizon level of success continues can that continued success be attributed to the stipend?

If the stipend makes the difference will we see other FCS schools following suit? Or is the extra money worth the success it gains in return? The FCS is really not a money maker. I guess it might pay off if NDSU has aspirations of going FBS. Really at this stage they have been there done that several times. I think NDSU want to maintain this high level of success in the hopes of a better FCS invite if one comes one day. Maybe they do have there eyes on the Big12.

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

 

[SaskGriz]

So we all know that NDSU provides the player stipends. Today I saw a clear level of talent difference between the Bizon and Cats. I suspect the Bizon handle whom ever they play is the NC game the same way.

If the Bizon level of success continues can that continued success be attributed to the stipend?

If the stipend makes the difference will we see other FCS schools following suit? Or is the extra money worth the success it gains in return? The FCS is really not a money maker. I guess it might pay off if NDSU has aspirations of going FBS. Really at this stage they have been there done that several times. I think NDSU want to maintain this high level of success in the hopes of a better FCS invite if one comes one day. Maybe they do have there eyes on the Big12.

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

 

[WaGriz4life]

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

NDSU is not a rival of any Big Ten school, stop. And they would not be competitive right away. The whole point of adding Rutgers and Maryland is to expand the footprint. The Big 10 does NOT want to be just a Midwest conference

 

[WaGriz4life]

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

Why should Penn State be independent? LOL that’s insane.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So we all know that NDSU provides the player stipends. Today I saw a clear level of talent difference between the Bizon and Cats. I suspect the Bizon handle whom ever they play is the NC game the same way.

If the Bizon level of success continues can that continued success be attributed to the stipend?

If the stipend makes the difference will we see other FCS schools following suit? Or is the extra money worth the success it gains in return? The FCS is really not a money maker. I guess it might pay off if NDSU has aspirations of going FBS. Really at this stage they have been there done that several times. I think NDSU want to maintain this high level of success in the hopes of a better FCS invite if one comes one day. Maybe they do have there eyes on the Big12.

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A better, more competitive team than either of those three schools. :lol:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

You mean a MAC invite over a Sun Belt invite?

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A better, more competitive team than either of those three schools. :lol:

How is UNDSU at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, swimming, volleyball, track&field, wrestling, and every other sport the Big 10 schools play? Are they on par with the Big 10 in those 26+ additional sports? If not, do P5 conferences admit football only members?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A better, more competitive team than either of those three schools. :lol:

How is UNDSU at basketball, baseball, softball, soccer, swimming, volleyball, track&field, wrestling, and every other sport the Big 10 schools play? Are they on par with the Big 10 in those 26+ additional sports? If not, do P5 conferences admit football only members?

I have no idea about most of those, but their basketball team is pretty freaking good.

 

[SaskGriz]

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

Why should Penn State be independent? LOL that’s insane.

Same reason Notre Dame should be.

 

[SaskGriz]

I think when NDSU gets an invite it will Big 10 to replace Rutgers or Maryland or Nebraska (who have to go back to the Big 12 or whatever they call OU's conference now).

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

NDSU is not a rival of any Big Ten school, stop. And they would not be competitive right away. The whole point of adding Rutgers and Maryland is to expand the footprint. The Big 10 does NOT want to be just a Midwest conference

Sorry but when the Big 10 was at it's best; Red Grange, Bronko Nagurski, etc. They were a Mid-Western conference. You can't call yourself the Big 10 and then add extra teams without looking like a Joanie-Loves-Chachi ripoff.

 

[Htowngriz]

Zero chance of that happening. What would the Big 10 gain?

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

Why should Penn State be independent? LOL that’s insane.

Same reason Notre Dame should be.

Notre Dame is.

 

[SaskGriz]

A regional rival that would be competitive right away and turn it back into a mid-west conference instead of the detritus it's become. Two east coast teams and Nebraska who doesn't have a rival anywhere near the mid-west. And Penn State, who should be independent.

Why should Penn State be independent? LOL that’s insane.

Same reason Notre Dame should be.

Notre Dame is.

I know, I wrote that wrong, I meant they should be independent for the same reason Notre Dame is also an Independent.

 

[griz71]

So we all know that NDSU provides the player stipends. Today I saw a clear level of talent difference between the Bizon and Cats. I suspect the Bizon handle whom ever they play is the NC game the same way.

If the Bizon level of success continues can that continued success be attributed to the stipend?

If the stipend makes the difference will we see other FCS schools following suit? Or is the extra money worth the success it gains in return? The FCS is really not a money maker. I guess it might pay off if NDSU has aspirations of going FBS. Really at this stage they have been there done that several times. I think NDSU want to maintain this high level of success in the hopes of a better FCS invite if one comes one day. Maybe they do have there eyes on the Big12.

Interesting prospect.....

 

[Brother Bear]

Montana State FB HC Choate last week remarked that the FCS playing field was uneven, according to Inforum, which reports that Choate observed: “If you have one group that’s offering $3,334 a year cash to these kids and another group isn’t, the scholarship isn’t apples to apples. So are we really playing on the same level?” Consequently, Inforum’s Kolpack recalls the role former North Dakota State Assoc. AD for External Revenues Inniger played in securing funding as NDSU transitioned from DII to DI. From 2008-18, Kolpack points out that NDSU’s Team Makers group has increased its output from $1.65M to $5.3M thanks in large part to Inniger’s grassroots efforts beginning in 2002. “Nobody handed the Bison athletic department checks from out of the blue.” Therefore, if Montana State aspires to be in a position similar to NDSU, Kolpack asserts: “Then like NDSU in 2002 maybe it has to think more outside of the box.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/football/4836425-Kolpack-If-Montana-State-needs-some-fundraising-advice-for-cost-of-attendance-call-Erv