Paoli Guest Editorial - Krakauer Book

[signedbewildered]

Let it not be lost here the one person who has suffered the greatest indignation here has not folded, has not lashed out, has maintained poise, and has braved situations which would have crushed most. My guess is that JJ may maintain his every aspect high ground, with apparent forgiveness to every person and institution which perpetuated the gravest of injustices. While I would love to see him seek legal redress for these offenses, and it would not affect my opinion of him if he did, we are seeing the greatest of character on display and he has my immeasurable respect. JJ defines dignity and class. That's all. Krakauer and Florio would have to stand on Mount Jumbo to kiss his a**!

Great perspective and a welcome reminder.

 

[IroneagleXP]

Paoli must have gotten a copy of the book. His Missoulian editorial is a good read. 100 pages in book on the JJ matter.

http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/krakauer-s-missoula-misses-the-truth/article_4c3c1bd9-72a5-545b-b7f6-7c1ad98b2b97.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Krakauer's Missoula Misses the Truth

"Jon Krakauer has written controversial books in the past. Now he has descended on our town and has produced yet another work that is selectively researched and masterfully deceptive. In the shadow of Sabrina Erdely and the "Rolling Stone" fiasco, Krakauer consciously set out to write one side of a complex issue.

Several years ago, he was heard to say his next book was going to be based on, or taken from, an existing written record, a transcript, because he didn’t want to do fresh research. Krakauer’s new book accomplishes both of his goals: he cherry-picks various written documents and reports and a trial transcript with which I am very familiar, and his research is scant. He interviewed and quoted only a handful of individuals who supported his myopic view of a serious issue that has many complex sides to it.

The individuals he did not bother to contact, much less interview, represent the strongest condemnation of his tactics. No defense attorneys, no prosecutors, no police, nobody who may provide conflicting facts to what he was cooking up. While he offers a few sentences at the end of the book to acknowledge the ramifications of false accusations on the accused, he comfortably promotes such accusations in the bulk of his stories.

He spends over 100 pages attempting to retry the case with which I am familiar, that of Jordan Johnson. Jordan was found innocent by a unanimous jury on March 1, 2013. Now, over two years later he wants to take it on again. Krakauer is ill-equipped to do so. Despite being told by the only juror on the case that he interviewed that she felt "the jury arrived at the correct verdict,” Krakauer condemns the judicial system. From that trial transcript he obtained, he only includes in his book selective ellipse-laden excerpts that push his single-minded view of this issue. Remember, he wanted a case with a transcript so he didn't have to do research. He doesn’t want to tell the whole story because the whole story is not the story he set out to tell.

There are many vivid examples of the trial evidence Krakauer selectively avoided. There are many other instances where he conflates portions of the trial or is flatly incorrect about the clear record before him. He also misrepresents to the reader that he must have attended the bulk of the trial, when he was only there for several days.

Perhaps the publishing business has devolved to these type of practices to “get the story that sells, facts be damned.” Now, on the heels of the Rolling Stone debacle and journalistic ethical uproar, Doubleday brands Krakauer’s book “nonfiction” and allows it to go to print knowing that the author did not fully research his story.

Sure, it’s his book. He gets to write it the way he wants, I guess. But not when he claims to care about this serious issue. His past works have been roundly criticized for the factual inaccuracies and serious deficiencies in them. The pattern includes steady criticism, written corrections, counter-point books and Krakauer’s amendments. So, too, will it be with this book. But, the damage he inflicts will be done.

Unfortunately, because of the gravity of this traumatic issue, Krakauer’s business model doesn’t help anybody work to protect the most vulnerable. Contrary to his claim that he cares about the issue, just like the author of the "Rolling Stone" piece, Krakauer will, sadly, discourage victims to come forward. And that, in the end, is the greatest tragedy of his story.

David Paoli lives and works in Missoula. He was the lead defense attorney for Jordan Johnson, who was acquitted of rape in Missoula County District Court."

Playerrape you got to be kidding me. You are most definitely a lawyer. Of course a review written by a missoula resident and DEFENSE LAYWER for JJ is going to write a scathing review and attempt to discredit Krakauer at every turn. What a joke. This guy has ZERO credibility to critique the book due to his position. Get an objective review from someone who doesn't have a stake in the game. Anything else is pure BS and you with your fancy degree should know that...but you probably do, smh. Check your sources people. You get an F for the day playarape.

 

[IroneagleXP]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

This should tell you something about the objecitivity that sports fans have when it comes to protecting their own....they simply lose objectivity all together. The fact that all of you are patting PR on the back for posting this garbage review is sad. Anybody bother to check the source of the review? Of course not, that would go against what you want to see. Social psychology at it's best...or worst rather.

 

[Ursa Major]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

This should tell you something about the objecitivity that sports fans have when it comes to protecting their own....they simply lose objectivity all together. The fact that all of you are patting PR on the back for posting this garbage review is sad. Anybody bother to check the source of the review? Of course not, that would go against what you want to see. Social psychology at it's best...or worst rather.

Ironeagle,

Do you have an erection right now?

Serious question.

What a jackass!

 

[jodcon]

What the fuck is a LAYWER anyway?

 

[UMGriz75]

Playerrape you got to be kidding me. You are most definitely a lawyer. Of course a review written by a missoula resident and DEFENSE LAYWER for JJ is going to write a scathing review and attempt to discredit Krakauer at every turn. What a joke. This guy has ZERO credibility to critique the book due to his position. Get an objective review from someone who doesn't have a stake in the game. Anything else is pure BS and you with your fancy degree should know that...but you probably do, smh. Check your sources people. You get an F for the day playarape.

When Dave Paoli manages to outgun five prosecution lawyers and government litigation budgets and obtain a unanimous jury verdict in something like record time, I'd suggest that Paoli "understood the case" far better than Krakauer, who is whining about something that even the "objective" Washington Post found perplexing.

There is no doubt at all that Paoli understood the case far better than XP who appears, objectively, to know nothing about it at all.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

What the fuck is a LAYWER anyway?

Ha! Just another occifer of the court.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

This should tell you something about the objecitivity that sports fans have when it comes to protecting their own....they simply lose objectivity all together. The fact that all of you are patting PR on the back for posting this garbage review is sad. Anybody bother to check the source of the review? Of course not, that would go against what you want to see. Social psychology at it's best...or worst rather.

Ironeagle,

Do you have an erection right now?

Serious question.

What a jackass!

It's actually entertaining to see an obsession grow to this point. It's been years and multiple screen names in the making, but I think we've seen the culmination of decades of frustration come out in the past few months from the noosemaster. What we've witnessed is his true transformation from a fan of one team to an anti-fan of another.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

Really? I just went through the Missoulian website and, with only a few exceptions, the majority of the commenters agree almost 100% with the posters here who state that:

1) Crack-hauer is a hack who writes bad fiction novels
2) A mountain is being and has been made of a mole hill
3) The university (& Engstrom in particular) are inept and floundering
4) The Missoulian is a rag that reports with an extremely biased agenda

 

[grizcountry420]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

Really? I just went through the Missoulian website and, with only a few exceptions, the majority of the commenters agree almost 100% with the posters here who state that:

1) Crack-hauer is a hack who writes bad fiction novels
2) A mountain is being and has been made of a mole hill
3) The university (& Engstrom in particular) are inept and floundering
4) The Missoulian is a rag that reports with an extremely biased agenda

Same goes for the comments on Missoulians facebook page..

 

[632BEER]

The Missoulian...so disgusting that my parakeet refuses to s*it on it.

 

[Ursa Major]

Has anyone read the posts on the Missoulian website? The opinions are considerably different from those here on egriz, unfortunately.

This should tell you something about the objecitivity that sports fans have when it comes to protecting their own....they simply lose objectivity all together. The fact that all of you are patting PR on the back for posting this garbage review is sad. Anybody bother to check the source of the review? Of course not, that would go against what you want to see. Social psychology at it's best...or worst rather.

Ironeagle,

Do you have an erection right now?

Serious question.

What a jackass!

It's actually entertaining to see an obsession grow to this point. It's been years and multiple screen names in the making, but I think we've seen the culmination of decades of frustration come out in the past few months from the noosemaster. What we've witnessed is his true transformation from a fan of one team to an anti-fan of another.

This is truly brilliant, CDA!! Unlike the grand literature tradition of the anti-hero tradition, the concept of the anti-fan will be the next personality disorder added to the new Diagnostical & Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders VI. This diagnosis will frequently be referred to as "Loser Syndrome". Unlike other personality disorders, onset will be delayed and begin at age 35-40 and revolve around a pattern of behavior based upon the joy and relief of losses or bad news of one's rivals. This joy will transcend any joy or exuberance of one's own team winning or success. To be clinically significant, the loss (real or perceived) and damage to the other teams stature will bring about a fleeting sense of pride and accomplishment. The obsession toward the other team will take on compulsive behaviors such as frequent postings on their message board often at the expense of work or educational experiences. This compulsive behavior will also likely trump true relationships including friends and families or basic self care such as bathing or basic hygiene.

For years to come, psychologists will claim to have been on-line at e-griz when you posted this. Let me be the first to congratulate you for your contribution to the behavioral sciences!

 

[statler & waldorf]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Priceless! The DSM reference cinched it. Now, you'll have to come up with an appropriate numerical reference.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This should tell you something about the objecitivity that sports fans have when it comes to protecting their own....they simply lose objectivity all together. The fact that all of you are patting PR on the back for posting this garbage review is sad. Anybody bother to check the source of the review? Of course not, that would go against what you want to see. Social psychology at it's best...or worst rather.

Ironeagle,

Do you have an erection right now?

Serious question.

What a jackass!

It's actually entertaining to see an obsession grow to this point. It's been years and multiple screen names in the making, but I think we've seen the culmination of decades of frustration come out in the past few months from the noosemaster. What we've witnessed is his true transformation from a fan of one team to an anti-fan of another.

This is truly brilliant, CDA!! Unlike the grand literature tradition of the anti-hero tradition, the concept of the anti-fan will be the next personality disorder added to the new Diagnostical & Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders VI. This diagnosis will frequently be referred to as "Loser Syndrome". Unlike other personality disorders, onset will be delayed and begin at age 35-40 and revolve around a pattern of behavior based upon the joy and relief of losses or bad news of one's rivals. This joy will transcend any joy or exuberance of one's own team winning or success. To be clinically significant, the loss (real or perceived) and damage to the other teams stature will bring about a fleeting sense of pride and accomplishment. The obsession toward the other team will take on compulsive behaviors such as frequent postings on their message board often at the expense of work or educational experiences. This compulsive behavior will also likely trump true relationships including friends and families or basic self care such as bathing or basic hygiene.

For years to come, psychologists will claim to have been on-line at e-griz when you posted this. Let me be the first to congratulate you for your contribution to the behavioral sciences!

I may have posited the idea, but it was you, sir, who developed it. It's beyond being a "Zero Sum Fan." You deserve much more credit for bringing about awareness of this disease. What you've done here is a big fucking deal. We should do wristbands or something. Blue and Yellow.

 

[Ursa Major]

Ironeagle,

Do you have an erection right now?

Serious question.

What a jackass!

It's actually entertaining to see an obsession grow to this point. It's been years and multiple screen names in the making, but I think we've seen the culmination of decades of frustration come out in the past few months from the noosemaster. What we've witnessed is his true transformation from a fan of one team to an anti-fan of another.

This is truly brilliant, CDA!! Unlike the grand literature tradition of the anti-hero tradition, the concept of the anti-fan will be the next personality disorder added to the new Diagnostical & Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders VI. This diagnosis will frequently be referred to as "Loser Syndrome". Unlike other personality disorders, onset will be delayed and begin at age 35-40 and revolve around a pattern of behavior based upon the joy and relief of losses or bad news of one's rivals. This joy will transcend any joy or exuberance of one's own team winning or success. To be clinically significant, the loss (real or perceived) and damage to the other teams stature will bring about a fleeting sense of pride and accomplishment. The obsession toward the other team will take on compulsive behaviors such as frequent postings on their message board often at the expense of work or educational experiences. This compulsive behavior will also likely trump true relationships including friends and families or basic self care such as bathing or basic hygiene.

For years to come, psychologists will claim to have been on-line at e-griz when you posted this. Let me be the first to congratulate you for your contribution to the behavioral sciences!

I may have posited the idea, but it was you, sir, who developed it. It's beyond being a "Zero Sum Fan." You deserve much more credit for bringing about awareness of this disease. What you've done here is a big fucking deal. We should do wristbands or something. Blue and Yellow.

Only if they are blue and bright yellow pee color!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It's actually entertaining to see an obsession grow to this point. It's been years and multiple screen names in the making, but I think we've seen the culmination of decades of frustration come out in the past few months from the noosemaster. What we've witnessed is his true transformation from a fan of one team to an anti-fan of another.

This is truly brilliant, CDA!! Unlike the grand literature tradition of the anti-hero tradition, the concept of the anti-fan will be the next personality disorder added to the new Diagnostical & Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders VI. This diagnosis will frequently be referred to as "Loser Syndrome". Unlike other personality disorders, onset will be delayed and begin at age 35-40 and revolve around a pattern of behavior based upon the joy and relief of losses or bad news of one's rivals. This joy will transcend any joy or exuberance of one's own team winning or success. To be clinically significant, the loss (real or perceived) and damage to the other teams stature will bring about a fleeting sense of pride and accomplishment. The obsession toward the other team will take on compulsive behaviors such as frequent postings on their message board often at the expense of work or educational experiences. This compulsive behavior will also likely trump true relationships including friends and families or basic self care such as bathing or basic hygiene.

For years to come, psychologists will claim to have been on-line at e-griz when you posted this. Let me be the first to congratulate you for your contribution to the behavioral sciences!

I may have posited the idea, but it was you, sir, who developed it. It's beyond being a "Zero Sum Fan." You deserve much more credit for bringing about awareness of this disease. What you've done here is a big fucking deal. We should do wristbands or something. Blue and Yellow.

Only if they are blue and bright yellow pee color!

Naturally. :thumb:

 

[Umista]

Today the Missoulain puts big headline on the front page indicating Pabst is a jerk. Read the article and even the Missoulian made Pabst out to be a strong and smart person...