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[Potomac Griz]

The game being on a Monday was the biggest factor behind the attendance. I thought all along that the attendance would be poor because it was scheduled on a Monday Night. I am certain the attendance would have been better on a Saturday Night.

While the game being on Monday did obviously affect the attendance I don't think it was the biggest factor. As I pointed out the Bobcat basketball attendance has been plummeting over the past several years. They did absolutely nothing to try to market the game to get people to attend and were also well into their usual end of season collapse.

You are right that the attendance would have been better on Saturday night. I don't think anyone here is disputing that. What's being disputed is that 3,424 is "pretty good" for a Monday night Griz/Cat game...which it isn't I'm afraid. Being on Monday didn't knock attendance down by 3000 fans.

We'll see though when the Griz play the Cats here on Monday night. If it knocks attendance down by as much as you seem to be implying, then we should expect under 4000 for the game in Missoula too. If I had to guess I'd say we'll draw well over 5,000 for the game..probably closer to 6.

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, your initial statement is just plain wrong. Bad attendance for a Griz/Cat game. And not even as many as the Lady Griz/Cat game on the same Monday night.

I don't think it is so odd, it was a Monday, the Cats have been playing very poorly, the Big Sky is not a good basketball conference, and they only had around 4500 last year. I seem to recall the weather was not great either. Also, basketball does not have the drawing power it has had in the past.

Did anyone say it was "odd"? The mini-topic was whether the attendance was "pretty good for a Griz/Cat men's game on Monday night". Potomac's post/stats indicates that it was not good attendance. as the game had drawn over 6,000 two and three years previously (on presumably a Saturday). While the Monday night certainly impacted the attendance, the fact that it was on Monday didn't account for all or even most of the low attendance, in my view. There were others factors, including those pointed out in your post.

PR, so are you predicting a full house when the game is in Missoula?

Nope, not a full house, but certainly a very large crowd and by far the largest crowd of the season. Not the "by far" part. Are you predicting 3500?

 

[PlayerRep]

Actually, your initial statement is just plain wrong. Bad attendance for a Griz/Cat game. And not even as many as the Lady Griz/Cat game on the same Monday night.

I don't think it is so odd, it was a Monday, the Cats have been playing very poorly, the Big Sky is not a good basketball conference, and they only had around 4500 last year. I seem to recall the weather was not great either. Also, basketball does not have the drawing power it has had in the past.

Did anyone say it was "odd"? The mini-topic was whether the attendance was "pretty good for a Griz/Cat men's game on Monday night". Potomac's post/stats indicates that it was not good attendance. as the game had drawn over 6,000 two and three years previously (on presumably a Saturday). While the Monday night certainly impacted the attendance, the fact that it was on Monday didn't account for all or even most of the low attendance, in my view. There were others factors, including those pointed out in your post.

Was the attendance poor for a Monday Night Griz/Cat game? No one knows since the game has never been played on a Monday Night. The game being on a Monday was the biggest factor behind the attendance. I thought all along that the attendance would be poor because it was scheduled on a Monday Night. I am certain the attendance would have been better on a Saturday Night.

Just because you don't know, doesn't mean that other people don't know. While Monday night was a factor, the bigger factors were that the Cats team was and is fading and fans have lost interest this year (as well as last year)--and some fans just assumed that Griz would win yet again.

 

[PlayerRep]

I can not fathom how PR did not get beat up at school everyday...unless he was home schooled, and even then it is hard to figure out


Anyone know what type of process he went through to become the "Rep" for the players?

He typed in the letters r-e-p when he created his name. Now let's hear all the theories on third person stuff.

 

[PlayerRep]

The game being on a Monday was the biggest factor behind the attendance. I thought all along that the attendance would be poor because it was scheduled on a Monday Night. I am certain the attendance would have been better on a Saturday Night.

While the game being on Monday did obviously affect the attendance I don't think it was the biggest factor. As I pointed out the Bobcat basketball attendance has been plummeting over the past several years. They did absolutely nothing to try to market the game to get people to attend and were also well into their usual end of season collapse.

You are right that the attendance would have been better on Saturday night. I don't think anyone here is disputing that. What's being disputed is that 3,424 is "pretty good" for a Monday night Griz/Cat game...which it isn't I'm afraid. Being on Monday didn't knock attendance down by 3000 fans.

We'll see though when the Griz play the Cats here on Monday night. If it knocks attendance down by as much as you seem to be implying, then we should expect under 4000 for the game in Missoula too. If I had to guess I'd say we'll draw well over 5,000 for the game..probably closer to 6.

Your attendance predictions are where I am at this point too. And, of course, I agree with your MSU attendance statements.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I don't think it is so odd, it was a Monday, the Cats have been playing very poorly, the Big Sky is not a good basketball conference, and they only had around 4500 last year. I seem to recall the weather was not great either. Also, basketball does not have the drawing power it has had in the past.

Did anyone say it was "odd"? The mini-topic was whether the attendance was "pretty good for a Griz/Cat men's game on Monday night". Potomac's post/stats indicates that it was not good attendance. as the game had drawn over 6,000 two and three years previously (on presumably a Saturday). While the Monday night certainly impacted the attendance, the fact that it was on Monday didn't account for all or even most of the low attendance, in my view. There were others factors, including those pointed out in your post.

Was the attendance poor for a Monday Night Griz/Cat game? No one knows since the game has never been played on a Monday Night. The game being on a Monday was the biggest factor behind the attendance. I thought all along that the attendance would be poor because it was scheduled on a Monday Night. I am certain the attendance would have been better on a Saturday Night.

Just because you don't know, doesn't mean that other people don't know. While Monday night was a factor, the bigger factors were that the Cats team was and is fading and fans have lost interest this year (as well as last year)--and some fans just assumed that Griz would win yet again.

So what is the average attendance for the Griz/Cat game in Bozeman played on Monday Night? My guess is 3424....seems the game hit the average.

 

[grizindabox]

You want to know why basketball attendance is terrible? It is because the Big Sky Conference completely sucks. There is not a decent team in the entire league. The Big Sky has done nothing as a conference, or with the quality of teams to get the casual basketball fan to show for games.

 

[Potomac Griz]

So what is the average attendance for the Griz/Cat game in Bozeman played on Monday Night? My guess is 3424....seems the game hit the average.

Impressive logic fail there. Using an average when only 1 example is available :clap:

So when the Griz draw much much better on Monday night here against the Cats what will you say? Will you still claim that the game in Bozeman had pretty good attendance at 3424?

Also, if it's just the day that caused the issue in attendance how do you explain the plummeting Bobcat attendance over the past 4 years? I guess they just played a lot of games that were scheduled on bad days right? Like their Thursday game against Eastern Washignton which drew 1900 fans..or their Saturday game against PSU that drew 2200.

I also notice you seem to want to ignore the fact that Bobcat Basketball attendance is at the lowest point it's been since 1978.

You've been shown stats proving the severe drop in attendance for bobcat basketball and yet still are holding on to your laughable theory that the only reason they had such shitty attendance for the game in Bozeman was because it was on a Monday.

 

[Potomac Griz]

So I looked over the average attendance using the past 9 years of Griz vs Cat games both in Bozeman and in Missoula. Over those 9 games in Bozeman they averaged 6224 fans per game. Over those 9 games in Missoula we averaged 6159 fans per game.

With the Cats dropping to 3424 fans on the Monday game that's a 45% drop in attendance compared to their average. According to HelenaHandBasket that's because of it being a Monday game. Using that logic the Griz should expect no more than 3388 fans at the Griz/Cat game on Monday, March 3rd.

I guess we'll find out when the game gets here if Monday really causes a 45% drop in attendance for that game or not wont we?

Feel free to bump this post after the game HelenaHandBasket if your theory is correct and the Griz draw less than 3400. :mrgreen:

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Potomac, here is a little logic for you. For a Monday night in Bozeman, I did not expect a huge crowd for a basketball game, and 3424 is not a bad number. I would also guess that the Monday game in Missoula will have more, but I am not thinking 6200. One reason I did not expect huge numbers, people are not able to travel from out of town, and they are even less inclined when the product is inferior. Basketball will never be a big draw anymore, and the days of big crowds are long gone. For all you that want the 80's back, it is not going to happen and you just need to accept Big Sky basketball for what it is.

 

[grizindabox]

It's all good Helena, these dopes still think the Big Sky is a basketball mecca and can't understand why no one other than them goes to the games.

 

[Potomac Griz]

It's all good Helena, these dopes still think the Big Sky is a basketball mecca and can't understand why no one other than them goes to the games.

Funny thing is you seem to be too dull to see that Helena's original argument had nothing to do with the quality of basketball but instead that Monday was the biggest reason for the horrible attendance. What you are saying is more along the lines of what I've been saying...that Monday is not the biggest reason for the shitty attendance. Shitty product was the biggest contributing factor.

You have an awful cluster fuck of a conference (the Big Sigh) and a basketball program that's fallen on very tough times (the Cats) in their typical end of season collapse (February)..... Little wonder the attendance was terrible. The attendance would have been bad even if it wasn't on a Monday and one only needs to look at their attendance the past few years and how it's been steadily declining. If I had to guess I'd guess they would have had around 4200 or so if the game had been on Saturday instead of the 3400 they had.

One reason I did not expect huge numbers, people are not able to travel from out of town, and they are even less inclined when the product is inferior.

I agree with that people are less likely to travel from out of town if the game is on a Monday, but lets be realistic... How many Bobcat basketball fans are actually traveling from out of town to watch anymore? Probably not many and definitely not enough to account for the severe attendance drop.

I don't think that Monday is what caused the drastic 45% decline in attendance though from their average. I think it has a LOT more to do with other factors, the biggest being the fact that the Bobcat basketball program is in the toilet and has been for several years now. With the contract extension for Huse that's turned many Bobcat fans off completely since they see that it's not going to get any better. Every year when it gets to this point of the season they go into a major slump. That's also backed up by their declining numbers in other games besides just the Griz/Cat game.

We'll see how big of a deal the Monday thing is when the Griz play the Cats here soon... If it being Monday is the biggest factor then we should see a huge drop in attendance from the average when the Griz play the Cats on March 3rd. I think we'll see a drop, but it's not going to be 45%.

One thing I think everyone can agree with is scheduling a rivalry game like the Griz vs Cats on a Monday is flat out idiotic, does affect attendance negatively and hopefully will never happen again.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

The game we had on Monday vs Idaho State (6,107) was definitely less than our crowd the previous Saturday vs SUU (7,479) I agree that having rivalry games played on Mondays is a weird choice, but with the way the conference is set up there isnt much you can do.

I think another problem is unlike football where you have a whole week to prepare for travel to football games, it's harder to travel to a thursday game, go home and then travel again for saturday games, or travel to Missoula or Bozeman and then have to drive all the way home late monday night a work night, and people are less inclined to travel when the team is struggling.

There are a lot of factors that go into it.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Potomac and PR, did you guys attend the Griz/Cat game in Bozeman? If not, how come?

 

[PlayerRep]

Potomac and PR, did you guys attend the Griz/Cat game in Bozeman? If not, how come?

Nope, I seldom have attended Griz/Cat hoops in Bozeman, and I live in Missoula. I will attend the game in MIssoula, which will be on a Monday night. I attended the Lady Griz/Cat game in Missoula on a Monday night.

HHB, how many fans would you guess attend Cat hoops games from outside of of a 30 mile radius, for games on Thursday or Saturday?

 

[PlayerRep]

The game we had on Monday vs Idaho State (6,107) was definitely less than our crowd the previous Saturday vs SUU (7,479) I agree that having rivalry games played on Mondays is a weird choice, but with the way the conference is set up there isnt much you can do.

I think another problem is unlike football where you have a whole week to prepare for travel to football games, it's harder to travel to a thursday game, go home and then travel again for saturday games, or travel to Missoula or Bozeman and then have to drive all the way home late monday night a work night, and people are less inclined to travel when the team is struggling.

There are a lot of factors that go into it.

Had Weber played UM on that Monday night, what do you think the attendance would have been? I assume Idaho St isn't a rivalry game for you.

 

[PlayerRep]

It's all good Helena, these dopes still think the Big Sky is a basketball mecca and can't understand why no one other than them goes to the games.

A definition of an egriz dope: someone who continues to argue against a particular point, but then in the rest of the post undercuts his own argument and actually makes points agreeing with the position he's arguing against.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

The game we had on Monday vs Idaho State (6,107) was definitely less than our crowd the previous Saturday vs SUU (7,479) I agree that having rivalry games played on Mondays is a weird choice, but with the way the conference is set up there isnt much you can do.

I think another problem is unlike football where you have a whole week to prepare for travel to football games, it's harder to travel to a thursday game, go home and then travel again for saturday games, or travel to Missoula or Bozeman and then have to drive all the way home late monday night a work night, and people are less inclined to travel when the team is struggling.

There are a lot of factors that go into it.

Had Weber played UM on that Monday night, what do you think the attendance would have been? I assume Idaho St isn't a rivalry game for you.

Despite the lopsidedness of the series between Weber and ISU, it is still considered a rivalry, lots of hatred between the two teams. Heck last year we played ISU on Monday and had almost 9,000. So go figure.

However I would say that Montana has without a doubt become Weber's biggest rival, I would say Weber would have probably gotten a little bit over 7,000 for a Monday night

 

[ozzie]

that newsreader's voice sounded like a squeaky door. it was unbearable to listen to. somebody get that man a throat lozenge!