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Onside kick/Fair Catch

fltheadgriz

fltheadgriz

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Very smart...we should utilize this
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html
 
fltheadgriz said:
Someone needs to get this to Bobby.
But will the BSC referees make the right call?
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"To be or not to be, that is ..." Oh wait, wrong context. :)

But you've put your finger on the key point.
 
I always thought the fair-catch part went away when the ball touched the ground. This will effectively end onside kicks. Every defender I'm the area should immediately call for a fair catch. Perhaps have their hands in the air when the ball is kicked. Can the ball hit the turf more than one times? Bergen should have used this earlier in the season. Especially if the ball could have bounced multiple times. Can the ball bounce 5 times. I looked at the article agian; maybe only one touch to the turf. A person calling for a fair catch cannot be interfered with, so couldn't be blocked or hit, as is often done on onside kicks.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I always thought the fair-catch part went away when the ball touched the ground. This will effectively end onside kicks. Every defender I'm the area should immediately call for a fair catch. Perhaps have their hands in the air when the ball is kicked. Can the ball hit the turf more than one times? Bergen should have used this earlier in the season. Especially if the ball could have bounced multiple times. Can the ball bounce 5 times. I looked at the article agian; maybe only one touch to the turf. A person calling for a fair catch cannot be interfered with, so couldn't be blocked or hit, as is often done on onside kicks.
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I think, and I could be wrong, that for the first 10 yard it can hit the gorund but you have to make an attempt to field the ball after yard 10. I think it is all predicated on the ball being in the air and has not hit the ground after yard 10.
 
fltheadgriz said:
mthoopsfan said:
I always thought the fair-catch part went away when the ball touched the ground. This will effectively end onside kicks. Every defender I'm the area should immediately call for a fair catch. Perhaps have their hands in the air when the ball is kicked. Can the ball hit the turf more than one times? Bergen should have used this earlier in the season. Especially if the ball could have bounced multiple times. Can the ball bounce 5 times. I looked at the article agian; maybe only one touch to the turf. A person calling for a fair catch cannot be interfered with, so couldn't be blocked or hit, as is often done on onside kicks.
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I think, and I could be wrong, that for the first 10 yard it can hit the gorund but you have to make an attempt to field the ball after yard 10. I think it is all predicated on the ball being in the air and has not hit the ground after yard 10.
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Its only a fair catch opportunity if the ball has not touched the ground or, as in the video above, is driven directly into the ground by the kicker but bounces into the air and acts like an airborne kick. An onside kick squibbing along the ground can not be fair caught.
 
It makes no sense that a ball that has been kicked off the turf should be able to be fair caught.

What’s the NFL rule?
 
mthoopsfan said:
I always thought the fair-catch part went away when the ball touched the ground. This will effectively end onside kicks. Every defender I'm the area should immediately call for a fair catch. Perhaps have their hands in the air when the ball is kicked. Can the ball hit the turf more than one times? Bergen should have used this earlier in the season. Especially if the ball could have bounced multiple times. Can the ball bounce 5 times. I looked at the article agian; maybe only one touch to the turf. A person calling for a fair catch cannot be interfered with, so couldn't be blocked or hit, as is often done on onside kicks.
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directly from the article

“during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
mthoopsfan said:
I always thought the fair-catch part went away when the ball touched the ground. This will effectively end onside kicks. Every defender I'm the area should immediately call for a fair catch. Perhaps have their hands in the air when the ball is kicked. Can the ball hit the turf more than one times? Bergen should have used this earlier in the season. Especially if the ball could have bounced multiple times. Can the ball bounce 5 times. I looked at the article agian; maybe only one touch to the turf. A person calling for a fair catch cannot be interfered with, so couldn't be blocked or hit, as is often done on onside kicks.
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directly from the article

“during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”
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Yes, I read the article. I'm a lawyer, ya know. Still, the rule makes zero sense.
 
I think this is the NFL rule.

"Can you Call a Fair Catch on an Onside Kick Attempt?

The fair catch rule for American Football dictates that a team can call a fair catch on a kickoff and or punt when the ball is in flight. However, during an onside kick, the kicking team is kicking the ball directly into the ground to bounce, so the football is no longer in flight. Since the onside kick has the football hit the ground via the kick, you can’t call a fair catch since the ball is not airborne anymore."

Did the NCAA rule just change?
 
mthoopsfan said:
Yukon said:
Just make sure only one player calls a fair catch.
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Why only one? I would have thought everyone close.
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My understanding is that the player calling for a fair catch is the only player that can attempt to catch the ball. I've seen games before that had two players call for a fair catch and received a penalty for it.
 
mthoopsfan said:
I think this is the NFL rule.

"Can you Call a Fair Catch on an Onside Kick Attempt?

The fair catch rule for American Football dictates that a team can call a fair catch on a kickoff and or punt when the ball is in flight. However, during an onside kick, the kicking team is kicking the ball directly into the ground to bounce, so the football is no longer in flight. Since the onside kick has the football hit the ground via the kick, you can’t call a fair catch since the ball is not airborne anymore."

Did the NCAA rule just change?
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I might be wrong but I think the NCAA changed the rule, I want to say around 2018 when they brought in the new fair catch of a kickoff rules. I think you are right the NCAA and NFL rules are different. Player safety issues maybe?
 
Yukon said:
mthoopsfan said:
Why only one? I would have thought everyone close.
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My understanding is that the player calling for a fair catch is the only player that can attempt to catch the ball. I've seen games before that had two players call for a fair catch and received a penalty for it.
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I would take the penalty and keep the ball.
 
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