ONLY in the bsc...

[AZGrizFan]

I don't like ewu playing Idaho because one team has to win. I'd prefer they both lose every friggin game in perpituity.

This is the REAL conundrum here. For certain.... :clap: :clap:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Uhhhh, no. That's not right. ewoooo and idawho are not playing each other twice. They, as conference members, played each other once as a noncon game. This week ewoooo plays nodak, a team who hasn't been in the conference for years, as a conference game.

Yes, I get that scheduling is tough so teams take the lazy way out and schedule other teams from their conference, although I think it's ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. But that isn't the point here.

So yes, "nonsensical" is nice word to describe the bsc, although I generally prefer a few more...uhhh...descriptive terms.

#bsc.

I would rather play a non conference game against a fellow Big Sky team than bring in some pasty from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference that's gonna do absolutely nothing for my playoff resume

Playing Youngstown, New Hampshire, FAMU, Kennesaw State, APB, etc wouldn't help a playoff resume?

Again, I understand why the games are scheduled, although I argue it has FAR more to do with cost savings and laziness than it does building a resume. I just think it's ridiculous, and you certainly don't see any other legit conference in America do it.

#bsc.

Well not every team in the Big Sky can pay to bring pasties from across the country to play them for a guarantee game. So they schedule h&h's against Big Sky teams they dont play that year. It's cheaper and far more reasonable for travel. So i wouldn't call it lazy, I'd call it being economically smart. And as long as the NCAA allows it who the literal F cares?

That's the second time you used a variant of "pasty" when you meant patsy. Clean it up, or EG will start posting pictures. The choice is yours.

 

[WILDCATFAN]

I would rather play a non conference game against a fellow Big Sky team than bring in some pasty from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference that's gonna do absolutely nothing for my playoff resume

Playing Youngstown, New Hampshire, FAMU, Kennesaw State, APB, etc wouldn't help a playoff resume?

Again, I understand why the games are scheduled, although I argue it has FAR more to do with cost savings and laziness than it does building a resume. I just think it's ridiculous, and you certainly don't see any other legit conference in America do it.

#bsc.

Well not every team in the Big Sky can pay to bring pasties from across the country to play them for a guarantee game. So they schedule h&h's against Big Sky teams they dont play that year. It's cheaper and far more reasonable for travel. So i wouldn't call it lazy, I'd call it being economically smart. And as long as the NCAA allows it who the literal F cares?

That's the second time you used a variant of "pasty" when you meant patsy. Clean it up, or EG will start posting pictures. The choice is yours.

Eh tomato tomato...

Doesnt have the same ring to it when it's in written form :?

 

[garizzalies]

 

[DoubleNicks]

Sometimes, I want the entire BSC scheduling/alignment debacle to blow up in the BSC's face with a completely illogical result. Can someone smarter than me draw up such a hypothetical so I can root for it if the Griz are out of contention?

Its gonna take something really crazy to get enough attention for the BSC to make a change. Imagine if a team like Southern Utah won the conference because of a scheduling anomaly?

And then when they win the conference championship/auto-bid, another team (let's say Portland State) that earned an at-large but finished lower in the conference standings actually ends up with a higher (or the) seed. And nobody outside of SUU is upset about that since one cannot just look at conference standings and determine who is better because it's not comparing apples to apples since not everybody plays everybody else...and then they both sh-t the bed and only the other at-large and third place team in the conference (let's say Montana) actually wins a round (let's say against South Dakota State). Then the conference will surely take notice and make changes by the next season. (Or definitely before 4 years have passed, right?)

 

[Dutch Lane]

You have made that clear. So in your mind it would be better to have open dates and less games then the status quo? I like more games regardless if you play a conference team twice. If they counted them all as conference games then I believe the open dates would stay open which means less games, less revenue etc., so in your opinion that would be more better? Lol

What open date? Ewoo plays 12 just like all the rest. It’s just that they played one conference game that doesn’t count, and one non-conference game that does.

Tell me where the f*** that makes ANY sense except the bsc

#bsc.

I think you are being nonsensical. They both had open dates so Ewu and Idaho chose to play each other twice to fill the open date, right? The Bsc settled on how they would handle this prior to the season by not counting this game in conference standings so that schools would partake, right? Otherwise if they counted it then either Idaho or ewu wouldn’t play it and thus leave them both without a game. My question to both CDA and you is would that then be a better outcome, and why. Just spit balling some more.

Uhhhh, no. That's not right. ewoooo and idawho are not playing each other twice. They, as conference members, played each other once as a noncon game. This week ewoooo plays nodak, a team who hasn't been in the conference for years, as a conference game.

Yes, I get that scheduling is tough so teams take the lazy way out and schedule other teams from their conference, although I think it's ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. But that isn't the point here.

So yes, "nonsensical" is nice word to describe the bsc, although I generally prefer a few more...uhhh...descriptive terms.

#bsc.

Have you ever followed the frontier conf.? They play a basketball schedule during the football season home and away. Brutal to come out on top at the end of the season, but really fun to track teams during the season. Bottom line we are the bsc and have some many limitations support on travel and cost and remoteness. Most of the eastern and southern schools don’t even fly to games because they are so
close.

 

[Dutch Lane]

What open date? Ewoo plays 12 just like all the rest. It’s just that they played one conference game that doesn’t count, and one non-conference game that does.

Tell me where the f*** that makes ANY sense except the bsc

#bsc.

I think you are being nonsensical. They both had open dates so Ewu and Idaho chose to play each other twice to fill the open date, right? The Bsc settled on how they would handle this prior to the season by not counting this game in conference standings so that schools would partake, right? Otherwise if they counted it then either Idaho or ewu wouldn’t play it and thus leave them both without a game. My question to both CDA and you is would that then be a better outcome, and why. Just spit balling some more.

Uhhhh, no. That's not right. ewoooo and idawho are not playing each other twice. They, as conference members, played each other once as a noncon game. This week ewoooo plays nodak, a team who hasn't been in the conference for years, as a conference game.

Yes, I get that scheduling is tough so teams take the lazy way out and schedule other teams from their conference, although I think it's ridiculous and shouldn't be allowed. But that isn't the point here.

So yes, "nonsensical" is nice word to describe the bsc, although I generally prefer a few more...uhhh...descriptive terms.

#bsc.

Have you ever followed the frontier conf.? They play a basketball schedule during the football season home and away. Brutal to come out on top at the end of the season, but really fun to track teams during the season. Lots of streaky play, upsets and redemption games i it think makes the whole league really more competitive down the stretch for the conference championship. Tech - Carrol has turned into the best rivalry in the conference also tech - western. They went to home in away because the travel to Oregon or South Dakotan by bus was just sucking so they sad fuck lets play two. I think they might be one of the few conferences is all of college football to still do it.

Bottom line the bsc is pretty lacking and has so many limitations like fan support,travel distances and costs and remoteness to the eastern and southern schools. I don’t think it’s being lazy i think it’s just costs and remoteness imo. Most of the eastern and southern schools don’t even fly to games because they are so close to each other. They have a bigger fan base and there costs must be way lower then bsc teams. I really think it’s just our geography and until Montana gets another 1million people to increase support and funding (when we will both be 6 feet under which will suck). I actually find some of the lengths the bsc has to go to in order to cobble a season together kind of endearing especially when a conference member plays in the chipper. Makes me proud to support a bsc team. Lol.

 

[grizindabox]

I would rather play a non conference game against a fellow Big Sky team than bring in some pasty from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference that's gonna do absolutely nothing for my playoff resume

Just for a shitz-n-gigglez comparison, but I doubt a OOC win against Idaho St improves a resume anymore than a win over Monmouth or San Diego or about any team from any of those conferences you named.

No but a win over a team like Eastern Washington like Idaho got will.

I sure bet EWU wished they had played a team from one of the "pasty" conferences.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I would rather play a non conference game against a fellow Big Sky team than bring in some pasty from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference that's gonna do absolutely nothing for my playoff resume

Just for a shitz-n-gigglez comparison, but I doubt a OOC win against Idaho St improves a resume anymore than a win over Monmouth or San Diego or about any team from any of those conferences you named.

No but a win over a team like Eastern Washington like Idaho got will.

I sure bet EWU wished they had played a team from one of the "pasty" conferences.

I'm sure they figured Idaho counted, given their recent performance.

 

[grizindabox]

Just for a shitz-n-gigglez comparison, but I doubt a OOC win against Idaho St improves a resume anymore than a win over Monmouth or San Diego or about any team from any of those conferences you named.

No but a win over a team like Eastern Washington like Idaho got will.

I sure bet EWU wished they had played a team from one of the "pasty" conferences.

I'm sure they figured Idaho counted, given their recent performance.

The OP seems to think different. perennial BSC cellar dweller >>>>>> "pasty" from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference

 

[Grizzly Oredigger]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

 

[WILDCATFAN]

No but a win over a team like Eastern Washington like Idaho got will.

I sure bet EWU wished they had played a team from one of the "pasty" conferences.

I'm sure they figured Idaho counted, given their recent performance.

The OP seems to think different. perennial BSC cellar dweller >>>>>> "pasty" from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference

Yup........except maybe Northern Colorado

 

[EverettGriz]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

Right. But did either one play Auburn in a conference game?

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

Right. But did either one play Auburn in a conference game?

Now you're really grasping at straws. North Dakota is not in another conference, they are INDY. By leaving the way they did they not only screwed over the Big Sky who already had schedules made for two more seasons, they also screwed over themselves because now they had to fill two seasons worth of schedules when most schools' schedules were already complete. So they made a deal with the Big Sky to allow them to keep their Big Sky Schedules under the condition they counted for the Big Sky teams they were screwing over. Do you understand now?

this is the last season it'll even be a thing and honestly it isnt even that big of a deal.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

I have said it before but will say it again. The current BSC configuration sucks. The unbalanced scheduling sucks. Since the powers that be obviously aren't reading egriz for an answer to the problem, I don't know what else there is to say. And yet it will still be discussed ad nauseam as if we can do something about it.

 

[grizindabox]

I sure bet EWU wished they had played a team from one of the "pasty" conferences.

I'm sure they figured Idaho counted, given their recent performance.

The OP seems to think different. perennial BSC cellar dweller >>>>>> "pasty" from the Big South, NEC, Pioneer, MEAC or SWAC conference

Yup........except maybe Northern Colorado

Disagree fully. A win over the bottom half of the BSC is no more a resume builder than wins over teams like Monmouth, San Diego, or the Central Connecticutts of the FCS world.

 

[EverettGriz]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

Right. But did either one play Auburn in a conference game?

Now you're really grasping at straws. North Dakota is not in another conference, they are INDY. By leaving the way they did they not only screwed over the Big Sky who already had schedules made for two more seasons, they also screwed over themselves because now they had to fill two seasons worth of schedules when most schools' schedules were already complete. So they made a deal with the Big Sky to allow them to keep their Big Sky Schedules under the condition they counted for the Big Sky teams they were screwing over. Do you understand now?

this is the last season it'll even be a thing and honestly it isnt even that big of a deal.

And I am the one grasping?? There's more tap dancing here than in all the Fred Astaire movies added together!

Look, the bottom line is that a bsc team played a league member in a non-league game. They then play non-bsc team as a conference game. If you don't find that remarkably ridiculous, I cannot help you.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

Right. But did either one play Auburn in a conference game?

Now you're really grasping at straws. North Dakota is not in another conference, they are INDY. By leaving the way they did they not only screwed over the Big Sky who already had schedules made for two more seasons, they also screwed over themselves because now they had to fill two seasons worth of schedules when most schools' schedules were already complete. So they made a deal with the Big Sky to allow them to keep their Big Sky Schedules under the condition they counted for the Big Sky teams they were screwing over. Do you understand now?

this is the last season it'll even be a thing and honestly it isnt even that big of a deal.

Given that the BSC knew about the schedule well in advance, it might have made more sense to just have the Idaho/EWU game count as a conference game instead of the EWU/UND game. How hard would that have been? This is especially true with the unbalanced schedules.

The fun thing would be if Team A lost to UND, Team B beat UND, Team A beat Team B (non-conf), and Team A finished a game behind Team B for the autobid.

 

[The.Real.2506]

I have said it before but will say it again. The current BSC configuration sucks. The unbalanced scheduling sucks. Since the powers that be obviously aren't reading egriz for an answer to the problem, I don't know what else there is to say. And yet it will still be discussed ad nauseam as if we can do something about it.

What is the answer, split and have 2 conferences on the verge of collapsing when some team either gives up football or decides to try to move up. It makes complete sense for long term stability to have all of these western teams in one conference. It makes absolutely no sense to have divisions since you cant have a Conference Championship. So what is the solution that works for all the teams in the west and not just for um

 

[WILDCATFAN]

Wake Forest and North Carolina played a non-conference game earlier this season (both ACC members)...sorry I didn’t read the thread to being this up. Even power 5’s occasionally do this. Side note to those smarter than I: does the ACC count games against Notre Dame in the standings since they have a partnership?

Right. But did either one play Auburn in a conference game?

Now you're really grasping at straws. North Dakota is not in another conference, they are INDY. By leaving the way they did they not only screwed over the Big Sky who already had schedules made for two more seasons, they also screwed over themselves because now they had to fill two seasons worth of schedules when most schools' schedules were already complete. So they made a deal with the Big Sky to allow them to keep their Big Sky Schedules under the condition they counted for the Big Sky teams they were screwing over. Do you understand now?

this is the last season it'll even be a thing and honestly it isnt even that big of a deal.

And I am the one grasping?? There's more tap dancing here than in all the Fred Astaire movies added together!

Look, the bottom line is that a bsc team played a league member in a non-league game. They then play non-bsc team as a conference game. If you don't find that remarkably ridiculous, I cannot help you.

Yes you are.

And honestly, I find people making mountains out of molehills for no reason more ridiculous than two Big Sky teams playing a non conf series against each other.

Weber played Cal Poly in a non conf game and will also play North Dakota in a conference game that only counts as such for Weber and you dont see me carrying on about it.