OL > WRs

[jcu27]

I didn't even read half the shit. However it's not the wrs they have been open plenty of times... There's just always a uncatchable ball coming there way.. and the offensive line can't protect Sneed long enough to make more than half a read.. So it's the offensive line. Also Sneed gets flustered pretty easily. Combination of disappointments.

 

[BWahlberg]

Starts with the OL, boys. Hard to really build an opinion on everything else until this line gets it's stuff together, which isn't happening this season.

 

[argh!]

Starts with the OL, boys. Hard to really build an opinion on everything else until this line gets it's stuff together, which isn't happening this season.

totally agree. everybody needs to back off and give bobby the time to recruit ol. there obviously weren't any this last recruiting cycle. plus, the griz needed more safeties. boy, would you all ever be crying if hauck jr didn't get added to the team. and the other safeties.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Agree with BW. Bobby had no time to get an OL in place. Come next year, he will get one.

 

[SaskGriz]

I’m more disappointed in our WRs than our OL. The OL we knew was going to suck, but they seem to be possibly improving, at least somewhat, and showing some potential, and better attitude.
The WRs on the other hand have regressed, and I’m not just talking about all the god damned drops and fumbles.
With the exception of Sulser, I bet BH would like to reshuffle the entire deck.
Toure can’t get the routes right, and seems to be half speed most times.
JLM is too small for BH’s O (sorry, I love him too, but it’s true).
Akem has one or two routes, almost nothing inside.
There is no big-body, go-to, possession WR that BH cherished in the past. It was blatantly obvious when I saw Doss up close. Dude is a total beast that we haven’t seen in a long time. Actually, all of their WRs made ours look small and slow.
Truth is, though our WRs have more experience, they do not fit this O. While the OL has less experience, they do not seem as misplaced

To steal a quote Brooklyn 99 "You are a stone-cold atrocity".

They are on the receiving end of an inexperienced QB while he can throw a marshmallow through a battleship is running for his life most plays. I don't like to insult players on here (except that one time I was hammered and shouldn't have been allowed near a can opener let alone a computer) but I think our QB is still working on finding the correct touch on many of his throws. As he improves, which he will, our WR will be just fine. They are the most talented group on our team, though the LB's make a good case too.

 

[BWahlberg]

Agree with BW. Bobby had no time to get an OL in place. Come next year, he will get one.

This is the thing though as well. The 2018 Griz also lost a ton of planned help on the OL.

The starting OL could have/should have been (barring injuries or guys retiring from football):

T: Jackson
G: Villanueva
C: Hart
G: Scott
T: Beaver

The guys we've got are doing all they can, but some just aren't yet ready to be a regular starter at this level. I'm hopeful they'll get there, but it's going to take time, and not this season. There's signs of improvement but still signs of significant needed work. Hauck & company has a good crew red shirting, will get some back healthy next season, will probably get some drop-downs, and will push/challenge this starting 5 to improve (not saying any/all of this starting 5 will have their starting spot next season).

 

[argh!]

Starts with the OL, boys. Hard to really build an opinion on everything else until this line gets it's stuff together, which isn't happening this season.

part ii of my response: i also agree, the rest of the games this season don't really count in terms of building an opinion on the direction bobby is taking the team, just like the first 8 games don't count. bobby has a big mess to clean up - i mean, stitt used mirrors and smoke, lots of smoke, including stuff like switching to back up quarterbacks every year, to fool everybody by getting the players he recruited to somehow have a 7-4 record last year, when the reality is they weren't very good, as bobby is proving more and more strongly every week.

i bet you were all fooled by the lesser number of big blowouts last year that the team might have some talented players. bobby came in and established a real, lunch-pail, smash mouth type of attitude, and exposed stitt's recruiting for what it was - a bunch of blowouts just waiting for a different coaching scheme.

just wait. you'll see. there are only a few years left during which the team will have stitt-linked players, and after that, it will be bobby's chance. until then, shut up, and watch, and learn how it is done.

 

[Copper Griz]

How does a receiver get "separation" when the defense and CB's know there is no deep threat. You just took half the damn play book off the table and limited your speed receivers. O Line is the problem and so is QB

 

[BWahlberg]

Starts with the OL, boys. Hard to really build an opinion on everything else until this line gets it's stuff together, which isn't happening this season.

part ii of my response: i also agree, the rest of the games this season don't really count in terms of building an opinion on the direction bobby is taking the team, just like the first 8 games don't count. bobby has a big mess to clean up - i mean, stitt used mirrors and smoke, lots of smoke, including stuff like switching to back up quarterbacks every year, to fool everybody by getting the players he recruited to somehow have a 7-4 record last year, when the reality is they weren't very good, as bobby is proving more and more strongly every week.

i bet you were all fooled by the lesser number of big blowouts last year that the team might have some talented players. bobby came in and established a real, lunch-pail, smash mouth type of attitude, and exposed stitt's recruiting for what it was - a bunch of blowouts just waiting for a different coaching scheme.

just wait. you'll see. there are only a few years left during which the team will have stitt-linked players, and after that, it will be bobby's chance. until then, shut up, and watch, and learn how it is done.

Not sure if anyone really believes this stupidly sarcastic little bit you keep pulling.

This team is mostly Stitt recruits and there's a damn great group of them doing really good things. We may have the best defender in the country in Dante Olson, lots of good young/developing talent. Look at the funny irony that players like Deming and Rensvold who were Stitt recruits could turn into awesome TEs for this system.

Bobby and staff have been working to overhaul a culture and reinstalling what they ideally want. That doesn't happen overnight, but it's being built upon daily/weekly. The team is responding and will become better for it.

That 7-4 season you wish for consisted of a 2nd year in a row where the Griz missed the playoffs and lost to the cats, and were consistently pushed around by any team that played tough, physical, and well-organized football.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Agree with BW. Bobby had no time to get an OL in place. Come next year, he will get one.

This is the thing though as well. The 2018 Griz also lost a ton of planned help on the OL.

The starting OL could have/should have been (barring injuries or guys retiring from football):

T: Jackson
G: Villanueva
C: Hart
G: Scott
T: Beaver

The guys we've got are doing all they can, but some just aren't yet ready to be a regular starter at this level. I'm hopeful they'll get there, but it's going to take time, and not this season. There's signs of improvement but still signs of significant needed work. Hauck & company has a good crew red shirting, will get some back healthy next season, will probably get some drop-downs, and will push/challenge this starting 5 to improve (not saying any/all of this starting 5 will have their starting spot next season).

That's what I keep going back to. The OL would've been good to great, but for some really bad luck. If the OL is the problem, BH had really no time to fix it and is going with a far less than ideal situation this year. I've little doubt it'll be much improved in 2019.

 

[BWahlberg]

Agree with BW. Bobby had no time to get an OL in place. Come next year, he will get one.

This is the thing though as well. The 2018 Griz also lost a ton of planned help on the OL.

The starting OL could have/should have been (barring injuries or guys retiring from football):

T: Jackson
G: Villanueva
C: Hart
G: Scott
T: Beaver

The guys we've got are doing all they can, but some just aren't yet ready to be a regular starter at this level. I'm hopeful they'll get there, but it's going to take time, and not this season. There's signs of improvement but still signs of significant needed work. Hauck & company has a good crew red shirting, will get some back healthy next season, will probably get some drop-downs, and will push/challenge this starting 5 to improve (not saying any/all of this starting 5 will have their starting spot next season).

That's what I keep going back to. The OL would've been good to great, but for some really bad luck. If the OL is the problem, BH had really no time to fix it and is going with a far less than ideal situation this year. I've little doubt it'll be much improved in 2019.

Word up, that’s the hope!

 

[Spanky2]

I disagree and, unfortunately, I think our o-line is horrible. We have lots of obvious talent at receiver that has played uneven at times and then spectacular. I am not convinced we have much talent at o-line and I don't believe we have a coaching issue there.

Curran makes incredible catches and then drops an easy one. He also has a fumble that cost us a game. He is a great leader as well and that isn't always displayed with his performance. Akem is a huge target that has gotten better throughout the year. JLM catches and moves well but has had a few fumbles and has also cost us a game. Somori is an absolute talent that has shown flashes of brilliance and then he makes a mental error like virtually handing a ball over to a UND player. All said, our receiving corp has been inconsistent but the talent is obvious. I think there are other things at play that have affected their development.

The o-line, receivers and qb have a unique relationship. QB is limited in his ability to make good throws if he is constantly under pressure. I also believe Sneed throws a line drive ball with little touch and it isn't easily caught. See throw after throw to the running back in the flat that is too hard and over their head. He needs to put a little air under it. I also don't believe Sneed is a very good deep ball thrower and he would benefit from some air there. Sneed would be better if he was protected and I think our receiver talent would shine if Sneed passed better. However, this team is only going as far as the o-line will take it and as we have seen it isn't as far as we like. By the way, I am of the belief that our defense is also very good, but because of our offensive issues we continue to wear out the defense.

Great post, 96!

 

[argh!]

Starts with the OL, boys. Hard to really build an opinion on everything else until this line gets it's stuff together, which isn't happening this season.

part ii of my response: i also agree, the rest of the games this season don't really count in terms of building an opinion on the direction bobby is taking the team, just like the first 8 games don't count. bobby has a big mess to clean up - i mean, stitt used mirrors and smoke, lots of smoke, including stuff like switching to back up quarterbacks every year, to fool everybody by getting the players he recruited to somehow have a 7-4 record last year, when the reality is they weren't very good, as bobby is proving more and more strongly every week.

i bet you were all fooled by the lesser number of big blowouts last year that the team might have some talented players. bobby came in and established a real, lunch-pail, smash mouth type of attitude, and exposed stitt's recruiting for what it was - a bunch of blowouts just waiting for a different coaching scheme.

just wait. you'll see. there are only a few years left during which the team will have stitt-linked players, and after that, it will be bobby's chance. until then, shut up, and watch, and learn how it is done.

Not sure if anyone really believes this stupidly sarcastic little bit you keep pulling.

This team is mostly Stitt recruits and there's a damn great group of them doing really good things. We may have the best defender in the country in Dante Olson, lots of good young/developing talent. Look at the funny irony that players like Deming and Rensvold who were Stitt recruits could turn into awesome TEs for this system.

Bobby and staff have been working to overhaul a culture and reinstalling what they ideally want. That doesn't happen overnight, but it's being built upon daily/weekly. The team is responding and will become better for it.

That 7-4 season you wish for consisted of a 2nd year in a row where the Griz missed the playoffs and lost to the cats, and were consistently pushed around by any team that played tough, physical, and well-organized football.

i highly doubt anybody is reading what i write seriously. having said that, you certainly seem to take yourself, and your analysis of the situation, very seriously. ergo your little erase-the-past endeavor about rosenbach. it seems to me that what you, and many others, especially those who are besotted by hauck, emphasize is the belief that being willing to run through a wall for the team is a characteristic you want the coach to spend time building. i'd rather have someone in charge who has a slightly more intellectual approach.

 

[Dutch Lane]

How does a receiver get "separation" when the defense and CB's know there is no deep threat. You just took half the damn play book off the table and limited your speed receivers. O Line is the problem and so is QB

I agree with the o line being the problem. Sneed needs time in the pocket in order to throw the long ball consistently which falls squarely on the o line to provide his the time otherwise the guy is constantly running for his life.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Disappointed or not in the WR, the OL is by far and away the biggest issue.

You’re probably right but that’s not the point.
One group is improving; one is regressing.
One group may eventually fit; one group may never fit

Not sure the OL showed a lot of improvement in the second half on Sat. Also, the OL issues do impact the WRs too. I also believe that most people overestimated the WR group to begin with.

I think the WR’s appear to be regressing because Sneed is regressing.

 

[ilovethecats]

Disappointed or not in the WR, the OL is by far and away the biggest issue.

You’re probably right but that’s not the point.
One group is improving; one is regressing.
One group may eventually fit; one group may never fit

Not sure the OL showed a lot of improvement in the second half on Sat. Also, the OL issues do impact the WRs too. I also believe that most people overestimated the WR group to begin with.

I think the WR’s appear to be regressing because Sneed is regressing.

Because your O-Line is regressing?

 

[grizindabox]

Disappointed or not in the WR, the OL is by far and away the biggest issue.

You’re probably right but that’s not the point.
One group is improving; one is regressing.
One group may eventually fit; one group may never fit

Not sure the OL showed a lot of improvement in the second half on Sat. Also, the OL issues do impact the WRs too. I also believe that most people overestimated the WR group to begin with.

I think the WR’s appear to be regressing because Sneed is regressing.

And Sneed is regressing because he is getting the crap beat out of him because of sub-optimal OLine play.

 

[ordigger]

Disappointed or not in the WR, the OL is by far and away the biggest issue.

You’re probably right but that’s not the point.
One group is improving; one is regressing.
One group may eventually fit; one group may never fit

Not sure the OL showed a lot of improvement in the second half on Sat. Also, the OL issues do impact the WRs too. I also believe that most people overestimated the WR group to begin with.

I think the WR’s appear to be regressing because Sneed is regressing.

Because Hauck seems to be regressing too? Just asking for a friend. :lol:

 

[Fahque]

They would probably seem better if we had a QB who could get them the ball

 

[CDAGRIZ]

They would probably seem better if we had a QB who could get them the ball

No matter what the findings were, it would be really interesting to see tape of all Sneed's missed throws where he had time. As it sits, we just get "it seems like" and "based on what I saw" stuff.