Okay, Let's Talk NIT

[AZDoc]

I think the mwc gets 3 amd csu gets left out but who knows. Cbs and espn also have 4 in from mwc

called it. CSU was screwed that UCLA got in over them

(hey I used capital letters)

WTF are ucla and texas doing in the field. Should've been csu and temple imo.

 

[EverettGriz]

I could see the Griz getting CSU

 

[griz71]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

 

[IdaGriz01]

I think the mwc gets 3 amd csu gets left out but who knows. Cbs and espn also have 4 in from mwc

called it. CSU was screwed that UCLA got in over them

(hey I used capital letters)

WTF are ucla and texas doing in the field. Should've been csu and temple imo.

By the numbers:
UCLA: RPI 51, SOS 34
Texas: RPI 43, SOS 9

CSU: RPI 27, SOS 123
Temple: RPI 37, SOS 71

Obviously, the committee put more weight on the strength of schedule as compared to number of wins and the power index. That hurt CSU badly. (Plus, as I expected, they were simply not going to give the Mt West four bids.)

Conversely, Texas benefited by playing the 9th toughest schedule. I actually had Texas and UCLA among my picks, but Temple was one of my misses. (Bad year, missed three. )

 

[IdaGriz01]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

UC-Davis has an automatic bid, of course, and I agree that Stanford will probably get an NIT bid. With a losing record in conference, and bad power index and SOS, I do not see OSU getting into the NIT.

 

[Hammer]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

UC-Davis has an automatic bid, of course, and I agree that Stanford will probably get an NIT bid. With a losing record in conference, and bad power index and SOS, I do not see OSU getting into the NIT.

Hosting OSU would be awesome!

 

[Potomac Griz]

CSU sure did get screwed. Texas and Oklahoma State don't belong in the tournament. Both went 8-10 in their conference... I'm never a fan of teams getting at large bids who couldn't even finish above .500 in their conference. That just seems ridiculous. OK State also lost 6 of their last 7 games, had an 18-13 overall record, a 40+ RPI. Yet CSU gets snubbed with a 27-6 record and a top 30 RPI.

If the Griz end up with an 8 seed they could very well be facing CSU in the first round of the NIT.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

SOS is a terrible comparison tool

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

UC-Davis has an automatic bid, of course, and I agree that Stanford will probably get an NIT bid. With a losing record in conference, and bad power index and SOS, I do not see OSU getting into the NIT.

Hosting OSU would be awesome!

Not very likely the Griz host.

 

[Hammer]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

UC-Davis has an automatic bid, of course, and I agree that Stanford will probably get an NIT bid. With a losing record in conference, and bad power index and SOS, I do not see OSU getting into the NIT.

Hosting OSU would be awesome!

Not very likely the Griz host.

I realize that. IF it happened it would be very interesting, to say the least.

 

[IdaGriz01]

SOS is a terrible comparison tool

The NCAA apparently does not agree. (Of course, it is not the only thing they use.)

And what would you suggest to replace it? Iona and Murray State piled up 24 wins each -- which sounds impressive until you see the weak teams they beat. That is what the SOS supposedly tells you.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Other possibilities...UC-Davis. Stanford, Oregon State

UC-Davis has an automatic bid, of course, and I agree that Stanford will probably get an NIT bid. With a losing record in conference, and bad power index and SOS, I do not see OSU getting into the NIT.

Hosting OSU would be awesome!

Not very likely the Griz host.

Yeah, it would be neat but not going to happen. Pretty much no shot the Griz get to play OSU in the NIT at all. OSU isn't likely to get into the NIT, and if they do they won't be a 1 or 2 seed. Griz will be probably a 7 or more likely an 8. So I'd guess we end up playing Stanford or Colorado State.

We'll find out soon! Being a 1 or 2 seed in the NIT isn't a guaranteed win in the first round like usually is in the NCAA tournament. 8s and 7s upset 1 and 2s all the time in the NIT. Hopefully we'll be this year's Robert Morris in the NIT...at least in the first round

 

[Potomac Griz]

SOS is a terrible comparison tool

The NCAA apparently does not agree. (Of course, it is not the only thing they use.)

And what would you suggest to replace it? Iona and Murray State piled up 24 wins each -- which sounds impressive until you see the weak teams they beat. That is what the SOS supposedly tells you.

Strength of schedule doesn't take into account if you win or lose. A team could be winless and still have the best strength of schedule.

RPI on the other hand takes into account both SOS and how the teams did in those games. Seems like it'd be a good tool to use. If you let SOS have too much sway that's how you end up with a team like Oklahoma State who couldn't even finish above .500 in their conference in the tournament. Meanwhile a very good CSU team who had a hell of a year and a top 30 RPI (much better than some of the at large bids like OKState) gets left out.

There are always teams that get snubbed in the NCAA tournament and teams that get in that probably don't deserve it though... this particular snubbing though is one of the worst I've ever seen going by RPI.

 

[IdaGriz01]

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Strength of schedule doesn't take into account if you win or lose. A team could be winless and still have the best strength of schedule.

RPI on the other hand takes into account both SOS and how the teams did in those games. Seems like it'd be a good tool to use. If you let SOS have too much sway that's how you end up with a team like Oklahoma State who couldn't even finish above .500 in their conference in the tournament. Meanwhile a very good CSU team who had a hell of a year and a top 30 RPI (much better than some of the at large bids like OKState) gets left out.

There are always teams that get snubbed in the NCAA tournament and teams that get in that probably don't deserve it though... this particular snubbing though is one of the worst I've ever seen going by RPI.

I am certainly not "defending" the NCAA's use of the SOS. But, if you want to predict who the committee might pick, or leave out, you have to pay attention to that number. Actually, in my "formula," I start with a team's number of D-I wins, then go with the RPI, and finally "tweak" my list with the SOS. This was my worst year out of the last 12 BTW (three misses) ... mainly because I went away from the numbers basis. I kinda thought they would "reward" Connecticut for their run in the tournament so they could have the "defending champion" back in the field. ... and they didn't.