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The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
 
Brady certainly didn't have 3 overthrows on longer balls in the first quarter, and I don't think had 3 overthrows in the first Q. Brady throws a nice long ball, and has thrown fairly well long all season, including in the NDSU game. The receivers love to have Brady at qb, in part because Stitt calls for the long ball and Brady throws it. Jones (2d leading UM receiver of all time) quote, when asked about having Brady back: "It makes a big difference. We definitely went deep more, and definitely took advantage of more things...."

I'm sorry, but the qb situation is not a close call. Not even close. It is a huge benefit to the team to have Brady back. No knock on the other qb's. They have strengths and nice potential, and did reasonably well when thrown into the mix.
 
grizindabox said:
The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
Worked at Cal Poly. :o Where Stitt obviously took the game away from "big pass play" opportunities. Right?
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
Worked at Cal Poly. :o Where Stitt obviously took the game away from "big pass play" opportunities. Right?

you do realize that even though they want to throw deeper, those patterns aren't always available and the QB is forced to check down....once again, this is why you need to actually breakdown the plays and see what happened and not throw a blanket explanation by just looking at the stats....I will also say that Gus did not play very well...he struggled throwing long and got into some trouble....
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
Worked at Cal Poly. :o Where Stitt obviously took the game away from "big pass play" opportunities. Right?

you do realize that even though they want to throw deeper, those patterns aren't always available and the QB is forced to check down....once again, this is why you need to actually breakdown the plays and see what happened and not throw a blanket explanation by just looking at the stats....I will also say that Gus did not play very well...he struggled throwing long and got into some trouble....
You watch the game, THEN you look at the stats, one is a summary of the other.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
Worked at Cal Poly. :o Where Stitt obviously took the game away from "big pass play" opportunities. Right?

you do realize that even though they want to throw deeper, those patterns aren't always available and the QB is forced to check down....once again, this is why you need to actually breakdown the plays and see what happened and not throw a blanket explanation by just looking at the stats....I will also say that Gus did not play very well...he struggled throwing long and got into some trouble....
You watch the game, THEN you look at the stats, one is a summary of the other.

My point is, there are reasons the stats are how they are...in the Poly game, the Griz looked and did attempt to go deeper...Gus struggled with some of his throws and Poly did a good job with defensive scheme to limit the deep opportunities...Gus was forced to check down often...hence the lower avg pass att and avg completion...you just want to look at the stats and say they changed philosophy for that game...and they didn't
 
PlayerRep said:
Brady certainly didn't have 3 overthrows on longer balls in the first quarter, and I don't think had 3 overthrows in the first Q. Brady throws a nice long ball, and has thrown fairly well long all season, including in the NDSU game. The receivers love to have Brady at qb, in part because Stitt calls for the long ball and Brady throws it. Jones (2d leading UM receiver of all time) quote, when asked about having Brady back: "It makes a big difference. We definitely went deep more, and definitely took advantage of more things...."

I'm sorry, but the qb situation is not a close call. Not even close. It is a huge benefit to the team to have Brady back. No knock on the other qb's. They have strengths and nice potential, and did reasonably well when thrown into the mix.

Gus dropped a couple of absolute dimes yesterday.. that was a HUGE boost to our offense, something that had been lacking with Simis in the lineup.
 
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
grizindabox said:
The difference in QB play is that Gus will stand in the pocket and go through his progressions, which allows deep patterns to develop leading to more big pass play opportunities....Simis looks at his primary and then takes off scrambling, which does not allow deeper routes to develop...
Worked at Cal Poly. :o Where Stitt obviously took the game away from "big pass play" opportunities. Right?

you do realize that even though they want to throw deeper, those patterns aren't always available and the QB is forced to check down....once again, this is why you need to actually breakdown the plays and see what happened and not throw a blanket explanation by just looking at the stats....I will also say that Gus did not play very well...he struggled throwing long and got into some trouble....
You watch the game, THEN you look at the stats, one is a summary of the other.

And I know that stats are a summary of what happened.....but you never look at the reasons why things happen...
 
MrTitleist said:
PlayerRep said:
Brady certainly didn't have 3 overthrows on longer balls in the first quarter, and I don't think had 3 overthrows in the first Q. Brady throws a nice long ball, and has thrown fairly well long all season, including in the NDSU game. The receivers love to have Brady at qb, in part because Stitt calls for the long ball and Brady throws it. Jones (2d leading UM receiver of all time) quote, when asked about having Brady back: "It makes a big difference. We definitely went deep more, and definitely took advantage of more things...."

I'm sorry, but the qb situation is not a close call. Not even close. It is a huge benefit to the team to have Brady back. No knock on the other qb's. They have strengths and nice potential, and did reasonably well when thrown into the mix.

Gus dropped a couple of absolute dimes yesterday.. that was a HUGE boost to our offense, something that had been lacking with Simis in the lineup.

He sure did! And that helps so many other parts of the offense, including running the ball!
 
PR, your lovely wife said hi....sort of. NAU whipped this team at Cheney. Grizzly capitalized on turnovers which is what any team should do. Did I mention your die-hard blonde wife said hi.... sort of?
 
ronangrizfan said:
PR, your lovely wife said hi....sort of. NAU whipped this team at Cheney. Grizzly capitalized on turnovers which is what any team should do. Did I mention your die-hard blonde wife said hi.... sort of?

Didn't realize she was blonde.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Hopefully, this puts to rest the idea, proclaimed loudly here this past week that this is not a good team, with some very good talent, and that we need to wait until Stitt can recruit his "own" players.

It has been a good team all season in terms of player quality and ability. Those qualities aren't the reason for the current record.
Funny, you went at length to claim Simis was better than Brady. Used your cherry picked stats to support it. What say you now?
 
grizindabox said:
My point is, there are reasons the stats are how they are...in the Poly game, the Griz looked and did attempt to go deeper...Gus struggled with some of his throws and Poly did a good job with defensive scheme to limit the deep opportunities...Gus was forced to check down often...hence the lower avg pass att and avg completion...you just want to look at the stats and say they changed philosophy for that game...and they didn't
The stats are the summary of the game. You don't seem to get that. They are not some artificial metric arriving independent of the game. They describe the game. The worst defensive team in the conference did not do "a good job with defensive scheme." Unless, of course, you are arguing that Gus and the complex scheme were so easy to figure out .... and, as you have argued, this can't be fixed until he has his "own recruits."
 
kemajic said:
Funny, you went at length to claim Simis was better than Brady. Used your cherry picked stats to support it. What say you now?
Actually, five times I said that I did not know, and could not. Please at least try to be honest. But, it is a nice try at cherry picking. However, the facts are still out there. Gus had a good game, and good for him, but it also showed a demonstrable change in strategies and capabilities.
 
UMGriz75 said:
kemajic said:
Funny, you went at length to claim Simis was better than Brady. Used your cherry picked stats to support it. What say you now?
Actually, five times I said that I did not know, and could not. Please at least try to be honest. But, it is a nice try at cherry picking. However, the facts are still out there. Gus had a good game, and good for him, but it also showed a demonstrable change in strategies and capabilities.

Of course, strategies were changed each game based on the QB and their capabilities...
 
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
kemajic said:
Funny, you went at length to claim Simis was better than Brady. Used your cherry picked stats to support it. What say you now?
Actually, five times I said that I did not know, and could not. Please at least try to be honest. But, it is a nice try at cherry picking. However, the facts are still out there. Gus had a good game, and good for him, but it also showed a demonstrable change in strategies and capabilities.

Of course, strategies were changed each game based on the QB and their capabilities...

In Stitt's offense, strategies are also changed from game to game, depending on what the opposing defense is expected to do, and then changed during the game based on what the opposing defense is actually doing. To some extent, it's based on what the defense is giving us and what the defense is trying to take away. I suppose the changed offensive strategy is sometimes more effective at some times than at others, and the qb is more effective executing it at some times than at others.
 
PlayerRep said:
grizindabox said:
UMGriz75 said:
kemajic said:
Funny, you went at length to claim Simis was better than Brady. Used your cherry picked stats to support it. What say you now?
Actually, five times I said that I did not know, and could not. Please at least try to be honest. But, it is a nice try at cherry picking. However, the facts are still out there. Gus had a good game, and good for him, but it also showed a demonstrable change in strategies and capabilities.

Of course, strategies were changed each game based on the QB and their capabilities...

In Stitt's offense, strategies are also changed from game to game, depending on what the opposing defense is expected to do, and then changed during the game based on what the opposing defense is actually doing. To some extent, it's based on what the defense is giving us and what the defense is trying to take away. I suppose the changed offensive strategy is sometimes more effective at some times than at others, and the qb is more effective executing it at some times than at others.

True, but I didn't go there because that is just way over 75's head....
 
Some quotes from Stitt after the game:

"Getting Brady back in there we were able to put some of the stuff in that we originally had that we’d have liked to have in the whole season," Stitt said. "... Adding the dynamic of Brady being able to throw the ball with the run game now makes it a totally different thing."


"You beat No. 1 and you beat No. 10," said Griz coach Bob Stitt, counting his team's signature wins this season, which includes downing North Dakota State in August. "If you beat your rival, it should set us up to extend this thing.

"Like I've said ever since I've been here, if you're healthy late you can make a run. We're finally healthy."
 
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