grizingatorland
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I'm not sure why anyone still thinks Germer doesn't need to be replaced. The Griz offensive line has been a probablem for several years now and the only common denominator has been the oline coach.
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Offensive Line in 2022
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cmtgrizzly
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hubcap said:
Well that sounds really discouraging. I guess next year could suck. So you are predicting we will be worse next year? We have peaked under Hauck and it’s downhill from here? I say this because you are saying our o-line will be worse next year and Hauck and Germer can’t recruit and develop good o lineman. You also say we will only go as far as our o line will take us. So it sounds like you feel we have peaked under Hauck and we are headed downhill until we replace the coaches and rebuild the program. Is that how you see it?
I don't like the mantra, "wait until next year" as much as any other fan. But I think it is worth taking a deeper look into the current situation before we proclaim coaching failure etc. Here are some more details about the O-Line that speak to my thoughts that this team is not yet what Hauck wants it to be, and much of that is due to offensive line personnel.
2021 Griz O-Line
1.Gerrit Bloemendaal-Sophomore-Hauck
2. Cody Kanouse-Junior-Hauck
3. Kordel Pillans-Senior-Hauck Juco
4. Moses Mallory-Senior-Hauck JuCo
5. AJ Forbes-Sophomore-Hauck-Transfer
6. Dillon Botner-Freshman-Hauck
7. Hunter Mayginnes-Sophomore-Hauck-Transfer
8. Kevin Good-Freshman-Hauck
9. Brandon Casey-Freshman-Hauck
10. Noah Ambuehl-Freshman-Hauck
11. Skylar Martin-Junior-Stitt
12. Bo Kinny-Freshman-Hauck
13. Colin Dreis-Freshman-Hauck
14. Kukila Lincoln-Freshman-Hauck
15. Declan McCabe-Freshman-Hauck
16. Liam Brown-Freshman-Hauck
17. Trevor Welnel-Sophomore-Hauck
18. Dylan Cook-Senior-Hauck-Transfer
19. Conlan Beaver-Senior-Stitt
20. Colten Keintz*-Senior-Stitt
Five consistent starters: Beaver, Cook, Mallory, Forbes, Mayginnes, Keintz*
Other contributors: Pillans, Casey, Martin, Dreis
Starters that came to UM in 2021: Forbes, Mayginnes
Of the 10 contributors, 5 were seniors, and 7 were transfers/juco that arrived at UM since Hauck returned. Three were Stitt recruits (Beaver, Keintz, Martin), and two were Hauck high school recruits (Casey and Dreis).
Of the 20 Listed:
5 Seniors
2 Juniors
4 Sophomores
9 Freshmen
Looking at the O-Line group again, it is clear to see that Hauck’s vision for the group is different from Stitt’s. It is also worth noting that players also leave due to various reasons which I will not expand upon here. Needless to say, Hauck and his current staff felt they needed to revamp the offensive line, and have done so. They will continue to build the offensive line to their liking but it will take time. Lots of freshmen on this team, and of course some will not stick around, but the big picture here is that Hauck has not yet had his guys playing meaningful time on the O-Line.
I agree the time is here for his recruits to step up and show why they were recruited to play for the Griz. But to say Hauck walked into a team full of offensive linemen (to the standard he requires) is demonstrably false, as expressed in the roster.
As for the 2022 season, this unit will likely be young/or full of transfers. Patiences is warranted here; Hauck’s young recruits are just starting to sniff the playing field. I will be the first to be very concerned if this group is still struggling in 2023, but it is premature to blame the current staff and players for the O-Line struggles this past season.
2021 Griz O-Line
1.Gerrit Bloemendaal-Sophomore-Hauck
2. Cody Kanouse-Junior-Hauck
3. Kordel Pillans-Senior-Hauck Juco
4. Moses Mallory-Senior-Hauck JuCo
5. AJ Forbes-Sophomore-Hauck-Transfer
6. Dillon Botner-Freshman-Hauck
7. Hunter Mayginnes-Sophomore-Hauck-Transfer
8. Kevin Good-Freshman-Hauck
9. Brandon Casey-Freshman-Hauck
10. Noah Ambuehl-Freshman-Hauck
11. Skylar Martin-Junior-Stitt
12. Bo Kinny-Freshman-Hauck
13. Colin Dreis-Freshman-Hauck
14. Kukila Lincoln-Freshman-Hauck
15. Declan McCabe-Freshman-Hauck
16. Liam Brown-Freshman-Hauck
17. Trevor Welnel-Sophomore-Hauck
18. Dylan Cook-Senior-Hauck-Transfer
19. Conlan Beaver-Senior-Stitt
20. Colten Keintz*-Senior-Stitt
Five consistent starters: Beaver, Cook, Mallory, Forbes, Mayginnes, Keintz*
Other contributors: Pillans, Casey, Martin, Dreis
Starters that came to UM in 2021: Forbes, Mayginnes
Of the 10 contributors, 5 were seniors, and 7 were transfers/juco that arrived at UM since Hauck returned. Three were Stitt recruits (Beaver, Keintz, Martin), and two were Hauck high school recruits (Casey and Dreis).
Of the 20 Listed:
5 Seniors
2 Juniors
4 Sophomores
9 Freshmen
Looking at the O-Line group again, it is clear to see that Hauck’s vision for the group is different from Stitt’s. It is also worth noting that players also leave due to various reasons which I will not expand upon here. Needless to say, Hauck and his current staff felt they needed to revamp the offensive line, and have done so. They will continue to build the offensive line to their liking but it will take time. Lots of freshmen on this team, and of course some will not stick around, but the big picture here is that Hauck has not yet had his guys playing meaningful time on the O-Line.
I agree the time is here for his recruits to step up and show why they were recruited to play for the Griz. But to say Hauck walked into a team full of offensive linemen (to the standard he requires) is demonstrably false, as expressed in the roster.
As for the 2022 season, this unit will likely be young/or full of transfers. Patiences is warranted here; Hauck’s young recruits are just starting to sniff the playing field. I will be the first to be very concerned if this group is still struggling in 2023, but it is premature to blame the current staff and players for the O-Line struggles this past season.
MTGRZ said:
Keep in mind the average tenure of a head coach is 3.8 years. Patience is one thing but this was year 4 for Bobby (3 full seasons and the covid spring stuff). Germer here even longer....when do they need to put a product out because it looks like you are suggesting not next year , so when year 6? 7? Come on pretty soon excuses get old. He has had years...yes years to get a line going and as if now it might get worse next season considering having to get 3 of 5 starting spots filled. It was far from a young inexperienced line.
Germer does an awful job of getting the young kids ready. Number one he chooses his projects and that is who he focuses on. And it is ALL of his attention, no matter how they play. And the couple he focuses on get beat like a drum in practice. Think back in the games when we were up by big margins. How many backup lineman came into the game? 2 maybe 3? And in some games, zero. There is no reason he can’t empty the bench and get these young kids reps. Look at the defense. They have their 3 deeps in by the time the game is over. It’s ridiculous. So not only can he NOT recruit anyone worth a crap, he can’t develop anybody either. It’s a shame we have to be stuck with him. In my opinion, if you have to look for drop downs like we have had to do the past few years, and especially this year, you aren’t doing your job and should be fired.
Copper Griz
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Ursus1 said:
I am confused. 3 of the 5 O line positions need filled, but the O line will be worse? Why? You are discounting the young kids stepping up or some drop downs coming in that will contribute immediately. The O line supposedly sucked, so I guess we shouldn’t ring our hands that 3 are leaving!! Stop being negative Nellie. Hauck didn’t inherit a damn Corvette. He took the team to the playoffs two years in a row. Won the Griz/Scat game and did that with a ton of injured players. This fan base is nuts and unrealistic. Things take time. Have some damn patience and celebrate a great year.
Copper Griz said:
...and settle into an abyss of mediocrity.
No. Just no.
Copper Griz
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fanofzoo said:
You are comparing what Bobby inherited to what Vigen did?
Copper Griz said:
So, we will count you among the many who think the current position coach can develop players...just wait until next year. I bet you'll be crowing about so and so weighing 315 this spring.
sdk.catfish
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I really don't know what the e-griz fanbase expects. It is people like, I'm guessing here, 85 % of you that have annointed Hauck coach for life. For the record I think Hauck is a good, not great, football coach. He has flaws and there is no incentive to address those flaws. Hauck and the Griz are going to go 9-2 mininally every year because of the dilution of the FCS and the general mediocraty of the lower echalon of the Big Sky. But Stitt could probably go 8-3 most years. They have, in my opinion, a weak non-conference 2022 schedules that almost insures them of a seed for the playoffs which is what Hauck and Haslem want but won't prepare them for late season runs. One of Hauck's flaws, besides being in part a narcisistic ahole (which is probably a partial requirement for any coach) is stubborness. I don't believe Hauck will ever replace his coaches, just like he won't reveal injuries or let pictures be taken at practice. He is paranoid beyond what is needed. You won't see UM coaches move up like the Cats DC because nobody else wants them at this point. So I wouldn't expect any changes to the O-line coaching because nobody is really pressuring Hauck to make changes. It is what it is folks want and and the majority of the fan base supports the status quo. I'd like to see at least some minimal changes but I'm not holding my breath.
LaJollaGriz
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sdk.catfish said:
You hit on a key point which I believe escapes many fans. That is the age and energy level of the Grizzly coaching staff. Let's be honest, these older assistant coaches, making chump-change salaries, are coasting for a few years before retiring. They are finished chasing the dream, and have settled into this cozy position with their friend, Bobby Hauck. Yes Bobby is loyal, probably to a fault. Many think that changes need to be made within his assistant ranks. My biggest fear with these older coaches, and one which I expressed in another thread, is in the area of recruiting. Do they have the energy required to recruit kids who are being recruited heavily by other schools? And can a 60-year old coach relate to an 18 year old kid?
There is a reason why some of the Bobcat assistants are moving up to bigger jobs. It is because they are talented, young, and upwardly mobile with a desire to move up withing the ranks. The same can not be said with several of our key assistants.
HelenaHandBasket
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fanofzoo said:
Not really comparable.
