Offensive Coaching Changes

[Bok_Choi]

Interesting that there is an interior OL coach and an OT coach. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that before. Those guys all have to work together as a line to work well, and if the OT coach is also the TE coach, does that indicate the TE’s will be essentially an extension of the OL? Because you’re not going to have guards and centers practicing separate from your OT’s. I’m really skeptical of how this will work.

Wouldnt it be great to ge the TE's involved in the offense?

If Hauck wasn't going to start from square one, two sets of eyes and voices to help with getting all the guys coached up is likely a good thing. I think you can assume that the TE's will get the same treatment to a degree, spending a portion of their time with Erickson as they put the compoenents of the passing game together. But yeah, theyre going to continue to have a signficant blocking role in whatever Pease trots out.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Kem - what did he say with respect to the Defense? Wholesale changes?

He didn't say anything, but I believe it was you who said the defense hasn't been the problem and you were hoping for changes on offense. Well there you have it, you got your changes. Now why don't you calm down and remain open minded and wait and see what kind of changes are made schematically during Spring Ball on Offense?

These are not the changes I was hoping to see on this side of the ball.

Calm down?

 

[bpcats]

Feels like they are trying to recreate formula from championship run.

Part of it could be shifting titles around to get salaries adjusted to keep everybody around.

My guess is most of the changes are trying to establish identity of ground game and what that will look like.

Should work out just fine

 

[alabamagrizzly]

I posted this in another thread but it’s more appropriate here.

“This here is definitely more musical chairs then the defensive changes but again, I think with the puzzle pieces that we have, it’s a better fit. I’ve wondered since day one why Pease was not the OC over Rosenbach with a history of far more success and experience. This is definitely a demotion for Timm without an all out dismissal but allowing his friend to keep a paycheck. I also think reducing Germer to the interior is a good step, since that was his position group last time he was here and had success. Now wether that was success cus of him or just good recruiting is yet to be seen. I don’t know for sure if Phen is the right guy for the tackles coaching job but we’ll see I guess. That’s the one move I would’ve liked to see them bring in some fresh blood with good tackles experience. All in all though, it’s good to see changes happening to attempt to improve the program. We’ll see.”

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Interesting that there is an interior OL coach and an OT coach. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that before. Those guys all have to work together as a line to work well, and if the OT coach is also the TE coach, does that indicate the TE’s will be essentially an extension of the OL? Because you’re not going to have guards and centers practicing separate from your OT’s. I’m really skeptical of how this will work.

It’s actually something that’s been done here a lot during our “glory years” and I think it will have better success. I’m sure Germer will do better with more focus on the interior, but I’m not sure if Phen is the best guy for the T/TE job.

 

[poorgriz]

griz nation should probably brace for a rough year of r two to get all these changes implemented and tuned up. Then we’ll see f they lead to having a team that can compete with the upper echelon….. SDSU, MSU, NDSU, etc. lol

 

[uofmman1122]

griz nation should probably brace for a rough year of r two to get all these changes implemented and tuned up. Then we’ll see f they lead to having a team that can compete with the upper echelon….. SDSU, MSU, NDSU, etc. lol

You're gonna be so sad when we beat you this year. :lol:

 

[mthoopsfan]

I posted this in another thread but it’s more appropriate here.

“This here is definitely more musical chairs then the defensive changes but again, I think with the puzzle pieces that we have, it’s a better fit. I’ve wondered since day one why Pease was not the OC over Rosenbach with a history of far more success and experience. This is definitely a demotion for Timm without an all out dismissal but allowing his friend to keep a paycheck. I also think reducing Germer to the interior is a good step, since that was his position group last time he was here and had success. Now wether that was success cus of him or just good recruiting is yet to be seen. I don’t know for sure if Phen is the right guy for the tackles coaching job but we’ll see I guess. That’s the one move I would’ve liked to see them bring in some fresh blood with good tackles experience. All in all though, it’s good to see changes happening to attempt to improve the program. We’ll see.”

Changing the OC and play-caller and bringing on a new senior offensive coach is not musical chairs. When did Germer coach only interior line?

 

[mthoopsfan]

griz nation should probably brace for a rough year of r two to get all these changes implemented and tuned up. Then we’ll see f they lead to having a team that can compete with the upper echelon….. SDSU, MSU, NDSU, etc. lol

The Cats had better brace themselves for getting run over by the Griz;

 

[mthoopsfan]

Interesting that there is an interior OL coach and an OT coach. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that before. Those guys all have to work together as a line to work well, and if the OT coach is also the TE coach, does that indicate the TE’s will be essentially an extension of the OL? Because you’re not going to have guards and centers practicing separate from your OT’s. I’m really skeptical of how this will work.

We ran that same coaching system most recently with Pflugrad's staff in 2010 and 2011, where Bob Beers coached guards and centers, and Scott Gragg coached tackles and tight ends. It's an anecdotal small sample, but the OL was pretty good in both of those years, and had great TEs in Rob Overton, Kavario Middleton, and Greg Hardy, so it can be done well.

A number of teams use a TE/tackle coach. Toledo. Dartmouth either does or used to.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Interesting that there is an interior OL coach and an OT coach. I can’t say I’ve ever seen that before. Those guys all have to work together as a line to work well, and if the OT coach is also the TE coach, does that indicate the TE’s will be essentially an extension of the OL? Because you’re not going to have guards and centers practicing separate from your OT’s. I’m really skeptical of how this will work.

It’s actually something that’s been done here a lot during our “glory years” and I think it will have better success. I’m sure Germer will do better with more focus on the interior, but I’m not sure if Phen is the best guy for the T/TE job.

Where are you getting that it was done a lot during the glory years?

 

[greasewood]

Good moves both offensively and defensively. I'll now quit wishing Bobby would retire. Way to go Bobby, good moves.

 

[hubcap]

Lipstick on a pig. I’m sure things will get better, it won’t take much, but this staff is not a championship staff. They never will be. Go ahead and bookmark this all you Bobby lovers. Can’t wait to hear all the excuses a year from now. And of course from hoops about how statistically we were the best team in college football.

 

[GrizMania]

The players I've talked to are impressed with coach Erickson.

 

[sdk.catfish]

The master of illusion strikes again. Only change here is that Pease gets the back seat of Bobby's driftboat. Rosie rows on Mondays and Wednesdays and Germer on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Bobby as usual gets the front seat and hogs all the good water for himself. Change is hiring an o-line coach from Wisconson like the cats did creating a pipeline for big midwest lineman. Saddest part about it is that some of you meatballs buy into this as change.

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/montana-state-university/q-a-new-montana-state-offensive-line-coach-al-johnson-on-bobcats-wisconsin-roots-and/article_bffa98f0-a365-11ed-8364-e7eadf84836c.html#:~:text=Montana%20State%20hires%20Wisconsin's%20Al%20Johnson%20as%20offensive%20line%20coach

 

[mthoopsfan]

Lipstick on a pig. I’m sure things will get better, it won’t take much, but this staff is not a championship staff. They never will be. Go ahead and bookmark this all you Bobby lovers. Can’t wait to hear all the excuses a year from now. And of course from hoops about how statistically we were the best team in college football.

Besides NDSU and SDS, what staff's are championship staffs?

The staff was already very good. Now, there's a new OC and play-caller. Pease has been OC at Florida, Baylor, Boise St, Kentucky, UTEP, NAU and UM. Phenicie, both a former OC at various schools, and head coaches is now an actual coach. Rosie stays as offensive analyst and recruiter.

The defensive coaches were already strong, but now younger blood has stepped forward. I assume they'll get a good d-line coach too.

The transition to the new coaches will be fairly easy, as they team already knows everyone on the staff at this time.

I look forward to hubcap explaining where Britt wants to transfer next, and who he's better than.

 

[DrainBramage]

It might be a numbers issue. The O-line represents 5/11th of the team on the field. How many guys are backing up or in development? 20-25? That is 2-3 times the number of people the other positional coaches to track. The split of O-line coaching responsibility may be logical on that level.

That said, high school teachers have 170+ student each day, so 25 probably isn't a big ask.

 

[poorgriz]

griz nation should probably brace for a rough year of r two to get all these changes implemented and tuned up. Then we’ll see f they lead to having a team that can compete with the upper echelon….. SDSU, MSU, NDSU, etc. lol

The Cats had better brace themselves for getting run over by the Griz;

That would be a role reversal of epic proportions. I just looked at the stats and since Choate came in and implemented the championship culture and recipe including "Run the ball and stop the run", for which Vigen came in and even took up another notch..... The Cats AVERAGE 306 yards rushing vs the griz, and the griz AVERAGE.......... 87 yards rushing vs the Cats. That is staggering.

 

[poorgriz]

The Cats had better brace themselves for getting run over by the Griz;

That would be a role reversal of epic proportions. I just looked at the stats and since Choate came in and implemented the championship culture and recipe including "Run the ball and stop the run", for which Vigen came in and even took up another notch..... The Cats AVERAGE 306 yards rushing vs the griz, and the griz AVERAGE.......... 87 yards rushing vs the Cats. That is staggering.

Oh, and nobody wants to hear about your healthy johnson, AGAIN. lol

 

[PTGrizzly]

PR.

If Germer is a “very good OL coach” why would Hauck reduce his role with coaching the OL?