OFFENSE!

[Fat Bruno]

I blame BG for about 10% of our offensive troubles. The key is that our receivers almost never get any separation. So, Gus, who is already usually hurried by pressure, now has to thread the needle to a receiver who is covered like a blanket. This is a different problem than not being on the same page. In time, if he gets just a little more time and if the young receivers learn to escape the suffocating presence of their defenders by just a few feet, this offense will improve considerably. This is why Stitt is going conservative. He is still dealing with a situation where he has to drill fundamentals. The receivers are young; the O line may be veteran, but is essentially a beefed up version of last year’s line … beef is good, but does not improve agility, which is essential.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

A buddy of mine likes to call the Griz passing offense, the horseshoe offense

 

[Grizzoola]

Stitt's offense is all about the quarterback making split second choices. Not sure we if Gus has the time or is making great decisions at this time. Hopefully it will all come together.

Maybe Stitt needs an engineering major at QB?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Stitt's offense is all about the quarterback making split second choices. Not sure we if Gus has the time or is making great decisions at this time. Hopefully it will all come together.

Maybe Stitt needs an engineering major at QB?

That would be quite a recruiting job.

 

[Grizzoola]

I'm sure it's the Panthers doing some soul-searching, now. They took a helluva knock, altho, I think the Griz played them at a time of a let-down from the Iowa State game.

 

[George Ferguson]

I am beginning to form the conclusion that Stitt's offense sucks! Run Nguyen, again, then throw an out to the bench. WTF? Sitting in the stands, I could have had more receptions. Gus couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat! Another start like this and it is time for Chalich or Phillips. Gus runs the offense, I blame this no production on Mr. Stitt and his calling. Thank God for a defense! Throw the ball up the field, not left or right! When they did throw it up the field, Horner was wide open for the TD, the only one Gus had. The O-Line protected him fairly well, especially if you compare to the protection they gave him last year.
OK folks, what is the answer for an offense? Defense can't do it all. This game reminded me of last years Superbowl where Denver's D won the game and Payton Manning couldn't throw a pass to anyone.

So what is it, Stitt's offense or Gus?

To me it looked like Gus, although I'm not impressed with the strategy of the running game. Pretty vanilla really, but the line didn't help and Nguyen didn't have the best of games.

Brady just never gave our receivers a chance to catch the ball. Every pass was either in the dirt or overthrown.


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You might want to go back and look at the tape. Curran dropped two passes, including a TD that were right on top of his hands. JLM had one go right through his hands with no defenders even in the frame. Nyguen dropped a swing pass that would have went for at least 20. Calhoun had to bonafide drops. I wouldn't choose to use the words Gus NEVER gave his receivers a chance.

 

[tnt]

I hesitate to point out that Stitts play calling and game plan was what won the game. Coaching is what saved the win in the last half of the 4th. Clock management and the change of call to the QB draw the last series was a thing of beauty. Our last three coaches would have walked away with a L.

I enjoy a shoot out as much as the next guy and am sure we will see that yet this year, but so far Stitts use of the hand he has been dealt is pretty darn good.

Use the middle? After 4 turnovers last week, only an idiot would make that decision. The two times we tried this week were near catastrophes.

First, how many of those 4 turnovers were throws over the middle? Second, Gus's limitations are a big reason that the offense doesn't use the middle of the field.

Doesn't matter. The chances of things going seriously arwy throwing up the middle are much higher up the middle. Are you saying that the limitations on this team don't figure into the game plan. That would put you in the position of saying Delaney was an offensive genius.......

I also like how you try to drop the 4 turnover stat for a reason to not use the middle of the field and then say it doesn't matter.

Still doesn't matter after four turnovers the previous week, it was critical to not repeat this week so your game plan needs to reflect that. Great coaches base their game plan on players. Mediocre on plays. We had more offensive issues going into this week than Gus. Experience, injuries, suspensions, and more injuries as the game went on all figured in. BTW, if you consider players (and not plays) we had no middle. You can tell who has played the game who has coached the game and those who know the game pretty easily. The conversation here is way to play oriented and rarely considers players and situations. Stitts and his coaches do. Might have a lot to do with why we are 2-0

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

First, how many of those 4 turnovers were throws over the middle? Second, Gus's limitations are a big reason that the offense doesn't use the middle of the field.

Doesn't matter. The chances of things going seriously arwy throwing up the middle are much higher up the middle. Are you saying that the limitations on this team don't figure into the game plan. That would put you in the position of saying Delaney was an offensive genius.......

I also like how you try to drop the 4 turnover stat for a reason to not use the middle of the field and then say it doesn't matter.

Still doesn't matter after four turnovers the previous week, it was critical to not repeat this week so your game plan needs to reflect that. Great coaches base their game plan on players. Mediocre on plays. We had more offensive issues going into this week than Gus. Experience, injuries, suspensions, and more injuries as the game went on all figured in. BTW, if you consider players (and not plays) we had no middle. You can tell who has played the game who has coached the game and those who know the game pretty easily. The conversation here is way to play oriented and rarely considers players and situations. Stitts and his coaches do. Might have a lot to do with why we are 2-0

Apparently it does, because you keep basing your argument on turnovers.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am pulling for Gus and WR's to prove so many wrong as the season progresses. The experience of Homan, Hovey, and Horner (the hohoho gang) will in time pay off. We need to get all 3 healthy and ready to play though. 1 experienced WR, makes things a lot more difficult than many know.

Patience will pay off. Stitt does know what the hell he is doing. He is right. It doesn't matter how you win.

 

[statler & waldorf]

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But it comes down to this: Until the offensive line can give Brady time to actually go through his progressions, it's gonna be ugly. And until Brady becomes a running threat on the read-options, the running game is gonna be ugly. Sadly, I'm not sure either one of those are going to improve markedly this season.

We got to see his running ability, once, and he face planted into the turf five yards in front of the defenders after taking five or six steps. At 6'7" he is Bambi on ice.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I wonder, how willing is Stitt to a few simple tweaks to his offense, or add a few wrinkles?

A few things I have been thinking of with the offense struggling to find consistency.
(1) More slants, ins, drags, and hook routes to reduce the dependency of OL having to protect so long and to help get the passing game get in sync. So many dynamic offenses in the NFL and College get things going by executing the simple passes early.

(2) Use other WR positions in motion to get a better on defensive coverages and schemes.

(3) Have a few WR's run routes out of the backfield and/or out of motion. I feel this should be tried to allow the inexperienced guys the luxury of not dealing with instant jams and contacts off the line of scrimmage. The GRIZ younger WR's are not used to being matched up with physically, and are not creating separation or timing with GUS. The last few years more offenses have gone to this help their WR's get into the game easier.

(4) How long before we see Hovey, Homan, and Horner on the field consistently? These are the only WR's with significant college experience coming into this season, yet very little playing time or utilization of Hovey and Homan. Are they more hurt than we are hearing?

The GRIZ have 2 weeks between games. It is the perfect time to get the offense in gear. I feel doing any combination of the listed could help get the offense on track. I am sure a few of you can add to this list as well. Please keep the suggestions and comments on track, without the smart ass comments. I think we have seen more than enough of that crap this past week.

 

[Ringneck]

Let me understand this...40 of our players (half of the team) are brand new. Another what, 5 or 6 on top of that are transfers. It's Bob Stitt's second year and you're pissed cause we didn't beat the #3 team down (ranked #14) by 30? Hmm..okay, then.

:thumb:

 

[mtgrizrule]

Let me understand this...40 of our players (half of the team) are brand new. Another what, 5 or 6 on top of that are transfers. It's Bob Stitt's second year and you're pissed cause we didn't beat the #3 team down (ranked #14) by 30? Hmm..okay, then.

:thumb:

Come on, there is no room for common sense thinking and reasoning here. :thumb:

 

[Ringneck]

This game reminded me of last years Superbowl where Denver's D won the game and Payton Manning couldn't throw a pass to anyone.

Yeah, it's sure disappointing to win the Super Bowl because you have a good defense. Broncos players, coaches and fans must be really bummed about it. Too bad for them.

It's equally disappointing that we beat the #3 team in the nation, on the road, by playing great defense and special teams. It would be more satisfying to lose while putting up 500 yards of offense through creative play calling. :?

 

[reinell30]

This game reminded me of last years Superbowl where Denver's D won the game and Payton Manning couldn't throw a pass to anyone.

Yeah, it's sure disappointing to win the Super Bowl because you have a good defense. Broncos players, coaches and fans must be really bummed about it. Too bad for them.

It's equally disappointing that we beat the #3 team in the nation, on the road, by playing great defense and special teams. It would be more satisfying to lose while putting up 500 yards of offense through creative play calling. :?

Great we beat the number 3 team in the nation. If we play that way in the playoffs we are one and done again. Yeah I saw Payton taking all the credit for that Super Bowl win too....
Hey if you are impressed with this offense than good on you.....

 

[Ringneck]

Great we beat the number 3 team in the nation. If we play that way in the playoffs we are one and done again. Yeah I saw Payton taking all the credit for that Super Bowl win too....
Hey if you are impressed with this offense than good on you.....

Does it really matter who gets the credit for winning? A win is a win. The offense wasn't entertaining to watch, but it got the job done well enough for the Griz to win, and that's why you play the game (cue Herm Edwards).

The argument "if we play good enough to win we'll lose for sure" is illogical and moronic. If we play good enough to win - obviously - we'll win. Good teams find a way to win, even if its unconventional or unpopular. And most fans recognize that a good enough win is better than an almost had 'em loss.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Great we beat the number 3 team in the nation. If we play that way in the playoffs we are one and done again. Yeah I saw Payton taking all the credit for that Super Bowl win too....
Hey if you are impressed with this offense than good on you.....

Does it really matter who gets the credit for winning? A win is a win. The offense wasn't entertaining to watch, but it got the job done well enough for the Griz to win, and that's why you play the game (cue Herm Edwards).

The argument "if we play good enough to win we'll lose for sure" is illogical and moronic. If we play good enough to win - obviously - we'll win. Good teams find a way to win, even if its unconventional or unpopular. And most fans recognize that a good enough win is better than an almost had 'em loss.

Sounds like, vintage Bobby Hauck. :thumb:

 

[GoldenEagle]

Stitt’s innovation goes way beyond the offense. His game planning innovation is extraordinary. True innovation is when your punt return yardage exceeds your passing yardage. I can’t wait for his next move…..

 

[grizpsych]

Honestly, I have no comment about Stitt's offense. However, I will remind everyone of his first game against NDSU and remind everyone of the story of Don Read ripping into Bobby Hauck about his offense. With these in mind, perhaps some people told Stitt to tone it down. Perhaps.

 

[Umista]

Some Griz fans want to see a pretty offense. Stitt never claimed his offense would be cute.

Me? I'd much rather have an ugly win than a pretty/cute loss.

Cal Poly, a much better offense will be on display, perhaps it will inspire a few Griz "dog" fans...