Offense design

[AZGrizFan]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

But do we run the 335 because of the athletes on the roster, or do we have the athletes on the roster because we run the 335?

 

[RoseyMustGo]

SacSt was not a run-first team. Against UM they had 180 yards rushing (31 attempts) and 299 yards passing (40 attempts). Just another illustration of how knowledgeable you are.

Sac State ran 585 times this year and passed 433 times......not an illustration....a fact.

Don't mess with him.... he took a few too many shots to the head playing football 60 years ago. Math was never his thing. I think he was a fine arts major

 

[RoseyMustGo]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

If it was that simple, why didn't our coaches make those adjustments against MSU and NDSU?

 

[indian-outlaw]

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

But do we run the 335 because of the athletes on the roster, or do we have the athletes on the roster because we run the 335?

Because it's easier to recruit LB's and nickel safeties than it is recruit high quality DT. That is why we run the 3-3-5. It's not a chicken or egg thing.

 

[bigtyme]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

SacSt was not a run-first team. Against UM they had 180 yards rushing (31 attempts) and 299 yards passing (40 attempts). Just another illustration of how knowledgeable you are.

Stats in one game don’t show the scheme’s intent. Sac’s rb was the focal point of their offense, but against us Troy had a great gameplan to thwart our defense. That’s what great coaches do.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

But do we run the 335 because of the athletes on the roster, or do we have the athletes on the roster because we run the 335?

Because it's easier to recruit LB's and nickel safeties than it is recruit high quality DT. That is why we run the 3-3-5. It's not a chicken or egg thing.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Because it's easier to recruit LB's and nickel safeties than it is recruit high quality DT. That is why we run the 3-3-5. It's not a chicken or egg thing.

Sac. State, MSU, Weber and NDSU don't seem to have an issue recruiting DTs

 

[Ursus1]

Sac. State, MSU, Weber and NDSU don't seem to have an issue recruiting DTs

They also seem able to get QBs and Oline.....every year here same problem with same excuses.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Sac. State, MSU, Weber and NDSU don't seem to have an issue recruiting DTs

I don’t think our DTs were the issue. They were actually very good. I think the problem was asking 5 guys that are 180-190lbs to shut down the run game the whole second half of the season.

 

[indiancoyote]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

No a chance and it was proved time and again. Just because someone says something doesn't make reality. Maybe in their mind.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

SacSt was not a run-first team. Against UM they had 180 yards rushing (31 attempts) and 299 yards passing (40 attempts). Just another illustration of how knowledgeable you are.

Touchdown Tommy M. said in a post-game interview that the Cats knew they could destroy our 3-3-5 defense with their running game, in advance of the game. And he even gave specifics as to why. Next.

 

[GrizMania]

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

I think OUR version of the 3-3-5 is effective against BAD offenses. We didn’t see it work very well against any good ones this year, save Sac State.

Exactly

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Sac. State, MSU, Weber and NDSU don't seem to have an issue recruiting DTs

I don’t think our DTs were the issue. They were actually very good. I think the problem was asking 5 guys that are 180-190lbs to shut down the run game the whole second half of the season.

Good observation, and it was actually worse than that for our pass coverage, as our free safety (Robby) often committed too early towards the LOS, vacating the last player assigned to prevent big plays. We saw lots of big passing plays because of this, and also saw NDSU have 4 long rushing TDs because Robby tried to crash into a gap to stop the run, and guessed wrong, allowing the Bison RB to go un-touched for 60+ yards. The position is called a "free safety" for a reason.

 

[indian-outlaw]

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

No a chance and it was proved time and again. Just because someone says something doesn't make reality. Maybe in their mind.

Um you don't know shit from brown bread but ok. Keep crying about a 3-3-5 defense and saying stupid things but your going to see more of it and not less. For good reason.

 

[WaGriz4life]

3-4 especially vs run heavy teams....or 4-4 if one of the dl is more like a lb and if one lb is similar to a bigger strong safety. The 3-3-5 should still be good vs a pass happy team.

I agree that the 3-3-5 is effective against pass happy teams. But I would ask you to look at the two top Big Sky teams (MSU & Sac. St.), as well as the NDSU team which has won countless national championships. It is no surprise to me that the three best teams we played against this fall were all run-first teams. Even Weber State could be classified as a run-first team. And look how easily these teams destroyed our vaunted 3-3-5 defense. It was actually embarrassing to give up almost 1000 rushing yards to two teams! They had to be salivating at running against our 3-3-5 defense. In other words, if we are going to be able to compete with national championship caliber offenses, I firmly believe the vast majority of them will be run-first teams. And that there is the reason we should scrap the 3-3-5 defense.

Nothing in this post is correct. This 3-3-5 defense we run was invented by Gary Patterson and Rocky Long to stop the power run game of traditional offenses when you have undersized players on defense. The Bobcats run a very unconventional system.

You are exposing yourself as a know nothing more and more with every post.

 

[WaGriz4life]

No a chance and it was proved time and again. Just because someone says something doesn't make reality. Maybe in their mind.

Um you don't know shit from brown bread but ok. Keep crying about a 3-3-5 defense and saying stupid things but your going to see more of it and not less. For good reason.

This kid knows nothing. The 3-3-5 was invented to stop the run against teams who are bigger and stronger than you.

 

[indiancoyote]

Um you don't know shit from brown bread but ok. Keep crying about a 3-3-5 defense and saying stupid things but your going to see more of it and not less. For good reason.

This kid knows nothing. The 3-3-5 was invented to stop the run against teams who are bigger and stronger than you.

You're stupid.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Hilarious reading these posts supporting the use of the 3-3-5 to "stop strong running teams". Ha Ha Ha! The only teams using the 3-3-5 as their base defense are all second tier teams. There is ZERO use of this defense by any of the top 10 FBS teams, or the teams still competing for the FCS championship.

The 3-3-5 is a defense for losers, not winners. When you have to use San Diego State as an example of a team to emulate, you have already lost any credibility you might have had. What escapes you about a Griz defense giving-up almost 1000 rushing yards in only two games???

 

[indiancoyote]

With the athletes we have on the roster the 3-3-5 is our best option. There is no reason that it can't work against the run. Essentially we would have two run stopping nickel safeties on the field and much less twisting stunts for those types of teams.

But do we run the 335 because of the athletes on the roster, or do we have the athletes on the roster because we run the 335?

It absolutely doesn't work consistently against the run.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

But do we run the 335 because of the athletes on the roster, or do we have the athletes on the roster because we run the 335?

It absolutely doesn't work consistently against the run.

Right. How intelligent does one have to be to fail to understand that substituting a 185 lb. safety in the 3-3-5, for a 230 lb. linebacker in a 3-4 defense, or a 275 lb. lineman in a 4-3 defense will be more effective in stopping the run? Futile argument.