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Observations from the NAU game

Growler1

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The reported attendance of 560 fans was exaggerated. There could not have been more than 300-350 there, including about 50 Griz fans. Met some fun Griz fans after the game at the Little America Hotel where we stayed, and we partied into the wee hours.

First, NAU is perhaps the weakest Big Sky team I have seem in many years. There are small, young and lack talent. I don't see it getting any easier for whomever their new coach will be, because they will be playing in this cracker-box gym in front of empty seats. This place is worse than many high school gyms. Can you imagine bring a coveted recruit in for a visit and to having experience a game here? No way they can compete for top talent with other Big Sky schools who have real BB facilities and play in front of real crowds.

Regarding the Griz last night, here are some observations. Selvig lived up to my expectations by continually passing up open 3-point shots and either passing the ball, or dribbling. A couple of his passes resulted in easy Griz baskets, and a couple resulted in turnovers. He shoots the "3" better than 40%, was being guarded by a player 6-8 inches shorter than him, yet he refuses to shoot the rock. He would drive me crazy if I were coaching him. One would think that 3 years as a starter would school him on playing to his strengths, but seemingly not so. On the plus side, he had quite a few rebounds, which was expected since he towered above the NAU players on the court.

Cherry and Jamar are very special players. These kids do so many things well, and are the heart-and-soul of this team. Jamar has really improved his shot since last season, and has become a very good ball-handler too, allowing him to play the point if he has to. He rebounds well, plays good defense, and looked like the team leader on the court last night.

Cherry still does not shoot very well, but does so many other things well. His defense at the point prevents penetration and dish-offs by the opposing point guard, allowing for great team defense. He lightening quick, and plays with intensity. I love this kid. Perimeter defense has plagued the Griz for many years, until we recruited Cherry. He is the real deal on defense. Team defense starts with the point guard, who MUST be able to stop penetration. Will does this.

Ward has some stretches where he looked good, but also has some very shaky stretches last night. I still like him, and think he is an asset to the team. Weisner is very smooth shooting the rock for a frosh. I think this kid will develop into a very good player, who can put up some good scoring numbers.

Steward is an enigma to me. The guy has talent, and has shown flashes of what he can be in some past games. But last night he committed three very stupid fouls, two of them within 5-10 seconds.

Henderson has got some game. He made a great baseline move for an easy bucket that was negated by a questionable traveling violation. Again, I think he has got some game and can be a solid, if not great player if he continues to develop.

Was not as impressed with Gregory. He physically looks like a ninth-grader, and was getting muscled on defense. He made one nice full-court driving basket, but he will need to add to serious bulk if he is going to be a factor.

As I have stated before, Stockton is a Frontier-caliber player, who is too slow, and not a good enough ball handler to be much of a help to this team. Wood does not belong on the court, in my opinion. This guy is not a Big Sky caliber player. Just the way I see it.

The player I was very impressed with in limited playing time was DeShields. I was pretty critical of his signing back when it was announced, because his videos did not show much of an ability to penetrate. He seemed to be strictly an outside shooter, very one-dimensional. However, he showed me some great court-presence last night, and made a couple of very quick moves to the rim. In my opinion, he should be playing more, with Wood and Stockton playing less!

Was looking forward to seeing Reader. Where was he? I never saw him on the bench or in warm-ups. Is he injured?

The future looks very bright for next season. The loss of Selvig, Steward, and Stockton will not hurt the Griz much. With the talent returning, and the POSSIBILITY that the new 7-footer can play defense, clog the paint, and rebound, the GRIZ should be VERY GOOD!

Regarding the freshmen who played last night......I did not see a Jamar or Cherry among them, but I did see some solid role players who could develop into good players in supporting role. You always need that "Star go-too player". We have two of them now in Cherry and Jamar. Hopefully Tinks has recruited another one in this recruiting class.
 
Growler1 said:
The reported attendance of 560 fans was exaggerated. There could not have been more than 300-350 there, including about 50 Griz fans. Met some fun Griz fans after the game at the Little America Hotel where we stayed, and we partied into the wee hours.

First, NAU is perhaps the weakest Big Sky team I have seem in many years. There are small, young and lack talent. I don't see it getting any easier for whomever their new coach will be, because they will be playing in this cracker-box gym in front of empty seats. This place is worse than many high school gyms. Can you imagine bring a coveted recruit in for a visit and to having experience a game here? No way they can compete for top talent with other Big Sky schools who have real BB facilities and play in front of real crowds.

Regarding the Griz last night, here are some observations. Selvig lived up to my expectations by continually passing up open 3-point shots and either passing the ball, or dribbling. A couple of his passes resulted in easy Griz baskets, and a couple resulted in turnovers. He shoots the "3" better than 40%, was being guarded by a player 6-8 inches shorter than him, yet he refuses to shoot the rock. He would drive me crazy if I were coaching him. One would think that 3 years as a starter would school him on playing to his strengths, but seemingly not so. On the plus side, he had quite a few rebounds, which was expected since he towered above the NAU players on the court.

Cherry and Jamar are very special players. These kids do so many things well, and are the heart-and-soul of this team. Jamar has really improved his shot since last season, and has become a very good ball-handler too, allowing him to play the point if he has to. He rebounds well, plays good defense, and looked like the team leader on the court last night.

Cherry still does not shoot very well, but does so many other things well. His defense at the point prevents penetration and dish-offs by the opposing point guard, allowing for great team defense. He lightening quick, and plays with intensity. I love this kid. Perimeter defense has plagued the Griz for many years, until we recruited Cherry. He is the real deal on defense. Team defense starts with the point guard, who MUST be able to stop penetration. Will does this.

Ward has some stretches where he looked good, but also has some very shaky stretches last night. I still like him, and think he is an asset to the team. Weisner is very smooth shooting the rock for a frosh. I think this kid will develop into a very good player, who can put up some good scoring numbers.

Steward is an enigma to me. The guy has talent, and has shown flashes of what he can be in some past games. But last night he committed three very stupid fouls, two of them within 5-10 seconds.

Henderson has got some game. He made a great baseline move for an easy bucket that was negated by a questionable traveling violation. Again, I think he has got some game and can be a solid, if not great player if he continues to develop.

Was not as impressed with Gregory. He physically looks like a ninth-grader, and was getting muscled on defense. He made one nice full-court driving basket, but he will need to add to serious bulk if he is going to be a factor.

As I have stated before, Stockton is a Frontier-caliber player, who is too slow, and not a good enough ball handler to be much of a help to this team. Wood does not belong on the court, in my opinion. This guy is not a Big Sky caliber player. Just the way I see it.

The player I was very impressed with in limited playing time was DeShields. I was pretty critical of his signing back when it was announced, because his videos did not show much of an ability to penetrate. He seemed to be strictly an outside shooter, very one-dimensional. However, he showed me some great court-presence last night, and made a couple of very quick moves to the rim. In my opinion, he should be playing more, with Wood and Stockton playing less!

Was looking forward to seeing Reader. Where was he? I never saw him on the bench or in warm-ups. Is he injured?

The future looks very bright for next season. The loss of Selvig, Steward, and Stockton will not hurt the Griz much. With the talent returning, and the POSSIBILITY that the new 7-footer can play defense, clog the paint, and rebound, the GRIZ should be VERY GOOD!

Regarding the freshmen who played last night......I did not see a Jamar or Cherry among them, but I did see some solid role players who could develop into good players in supporting role. You always need that "Star go-too player". We have two of them now in Cherry and Jamar. Hopefully Tinks has recruited another one in this recruiting class.

Good post. :thumb: You set aside your wars, and your drivel was a good read.
 
Growler1 said:
The reported attendance of 560 fans was exaggerated. There could not have been more than 300-350 there, including about 50 Griz fans. Met some fun Griz fans after the game at the Little America Hotel where we stayed, and we partied into the wee hours.

First, NAU is perhaps the weakest Big Sky team I have seem in many years. There are small, young and lack talent. I don't see it getting any easier for whomever their new coach will be, because they will be playing in this cracker-box gym in front of empty seats. This place is worse than many high school gyms. Can you imagine bring a coveted recruit in for a visit and to having experience a game here? No way they can compete for top talent with other Big Sky schools who have real BB facilities and play in front of real crowds.
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I guess all Big Sky schools lie about attendance, not just UM. They should call it what it is:tickets sold/given away. It's insulting what UM claims the attendance is some games. When there is a small crowd I do my own head-count, which is admittedly an inexact science. There have been "crowds" at Griz games that teetered on being under 1000 by my count, but the reported attendance is always given as over 2400. I've counted only 800 heads in the seats mid-game and I add 200 ppl in the corridors/bathrooms and workers,etc. I also firmly believe that the Lady Griz have outdrawn the Men several years, which they are too embarrased to admit. I use to go to both teams games for many years, and the LG's reported attendances always seemed more legit, and it was obvious from just looking that the crowds were greater.

Besides Weber, who in the Big Sky can really claim to have a solid b-ball fan-base? Eastern Washington got Rodney Stuckey to go there, so top talent can be lured to remote outposts. it's just too bad nobody wants to go watch them.
 
Growler1 said:
Cherry still does not shoot very well, but does so many other things well. His defense at the point prevents penetration and dish-offs by the opposing point guard, allowing for great team defense. He lightening quick, and plays with intensity. I love this kid. Perimeter defense has plagued the Griz for many years, until we recruited Cherry. He is the real deal on defense. Team defense starts with the point guard, who MUST be able to stop penetration. Will does this.

Ward has some stretches where he looked good, but also has some very shaky stretches last night. I still like him, and think he is an asset to the team. Weisner is very smooth shooting the rock for a frosh. I think this kid will develop into a very good player, who can put up some good scoring numbers.

Steward is an enigma to me. The guy has talent, and has shown flashes of what he can be in some past games. But last night he committed three very stupid fouls, two of them within 5-10 seconds.

As I have stated before, Stockton is a Frontier-caliber player, who is too slow, and not a good enough ball handler to be much of a help to this team. Wood does not belong on the court, in my opinion. This guy is not a Big Sky caliber player. Just the way I see it.

The player I was very impressed with in limited playing time was DeShields. I was pretty critical of his signing back when it was announced, because his videos did not show much of an ability to penetrate. He seemed to be strictly an outside shooter, very one-dimensional. However, he showed me some great court-presence last night, and made a couple of very quick moves to the rim. In my opinion, he should be playing more, with Wood and Stockton playing less!

Cherry's shooting has improved tremendously. His FT % is way up from his frosh year. He hit 3 straight 3's a couple games ago. It's not his strongest suit, but he has added it to his repertoire. You can't judge someone's shooting ability based on one game anyways. Even good shooters have off-nights. He's streaky like a lot of guys. When he's on, he can nail them. He definately plays better in big games. with no crowd& an easy win, you didn't see Cherry at his best. I expect a big game at Weber from him.

I agree about Steward being an enigma. He's being asked to be an undersized post player and has to foul to compensate for being smallish sometimes. He and Ward are the 2 most foul-prone on the team. He will come up big occasionally, but his contributions aren't always obvious. He has a good attitude. He knows he doesn't need to be the star. He contributes when he can.

Almost everyone agrees Stockton is way over his head, but he has won Tinks confidence through his dedication. I have given up lobbying for his minutes to be reduced. It's a lost cause. Tinks loves his hometown boy.

Wood doesn't get many minutes anymore. He'll play in blowouts and the occasional rotation.

DeShields has impressed at almost every opportunity. He definately deserves more PT.
 
Zirg said:
Growler1 said:
The reported attendance of 560 fans was exaggerated. There could not have been more than 300-350 there, including about 50 Griz fans. Met some fun Griz fans after the game at the Little America Hotel where we stayed, and we partied into the wee hours.

First, NAU is perhaps the weakest Big Sky team I have seem in many years. There are small, young and lack talent. I don't see it getting any easier for whomever their new coach will be, because they will be playing in this cracker-box gym in front of empty seats. This place is worse than many high school gyms. Can you imagine bring a coveted recruit in for a visit and to having experience a game here? No way they can compete for top talent with other Big Sky schools who have real BB facilities and play in front of real crowds.
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I guess all Big Sky schools lie about attendance, not just UM. They should call it what it is:tickets sold/given away. It's insulting what UM claims the attendance is some games. When there is a small crowd I do my own head-count, which is admittedly an inexact science. There have been "crowds" at Griz games that teetered on being under 1000 by my count, but the reported attendance is always given as over 2400. I've counted only 800 heads in the seats mid-game and I add 200 ppl in the corridors/bathrooms and workers,etc. I also firmly believe that the Lady Griz have outdrawn the Men several years, which they are too embarrased to admit. I use to go to both teams games for many years, and the LG's reported attendances always seemed more legit, and it was obvious from just looking that the crowds were greater.

Besides Weber, who in the Big Sky can really claim to have a solid b-ball fan-base? Eastern Washington got Rodney Stuckey to go there, so top talent can be lured to remote outposts. it's just too bad nobody wants to go watch them.


UM doesn't report any differently than any other school in the country. hate to burst your bubble, but the LG attendance has dropped more than the Men's. The difference you are seeing is most of their season ticket holders don't go to Men's basketball and many don't go to football either. They are Lady Griz fans...period. If you are actually trying to count people in attendance you may want to seek professional help. ;)
 
wow, what a report captain obvious. Selvig could score 50 and you would rip him. the funniest part was where you said 'if you were coaching" . YMCA maybe, college no pfucking way. every kid would walk out of the gym when your candy ass walked in with a whistle hanging out your ass :lol:
 
Grizbacker1 said:
Zirg said:
Growler1 said:
The reported attendance of 560 fans was exaggerated. There could not have been more than 300-350 there, including about 50 Griz fans. Met some fun Griz fans after the game at the Little America Hotel where we stayed, and we partied into the wee hours.

First, NAU is perhaps the weakest Big Sky team I have seem in many years. There are small, young and lack talent. I don't see it getting any easier for whomever their new coach will be, because they will be playing in this cracker-box gym in front of empty seats. This place is worse than many high school gyms. Can you imagine bring a coveted recruit in for a visit and to having experience a game here? No way they can compete for top talent with other Big Sky schools who have real BB facilities and play in front of real crowds.
.

I guess all Big Sky schools lie about attendance, not just UM. They should call it what it is:tickets sold/given away. It's insulting what UM claims the attendance is some games. When there is a small crowd I do my own head-count, which is admittedly an inexact science. There have been "crowds" at Griz games that teetered on being under 1000 by my count, but the reported attendance is always given as over 2400. I've counted only 800 heads in the seats mid-game and I add 200 ppl in the corridors/bathrooms and workers,etc. I also firmly believe that the Lady Griz have outdrawn the Men several years, which they are too embarrased to admit. I use to go to both teams games for many years, and the LG's reported attendances always seemed more legit, and it was obvious from just looking that the crowds were greater.

Besides Weber, who in the Big Sky can really claim to have a solid b-ball fan-base? Eastern Washington got Rodney Stuckey to go there, so top talent can be lured to remote outposts. it's just too bad nobody wants to go watch them.


UM doesn't report any differently than any other school in the country. hate to burst your bubble, but the LG attendance has dropped more than the Men's. The difference you are seeing is most of their season ticket holders don't go to Men's basketball and many don't go to football either. They are Lady Griz fans...period. If you are actually trying to count people in attendance you may want to seek professional help. ;)


Ignore him, zirg. He's a bitter old fat-ass who is pissed at the world because he is fat, got hit with an ugly stick, must change his diapers at the most inopportune times, and hasn't been laid in years.
 
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