o-line

[mthoopsfan]

Has everyone noticed how athletic the Griz o-line is this year?

 

[SaskGriz]

Kansas St ran the ball 45 times for 297 yards at 6.6 yds/carry. Imagine what they would have done if they could have moved the Coyotes d-line.

Yes, KS ripped off a 75 yard TD on the first play with a direct snap to a receiver who went around the end. The play had nothing to do with the d-line. Without that play to a receiver, yards per carry, for the backs and qb's, drops to 5 yards per carry (slightly less than the Griz average last Saturday). The KS all-american back had a nice day: 18-126 with a 39 yard TD run.

KS threw for 95 yards, on short passes. Total offense of 392. 5-14 on 3d down conversions. KS was sacked 4 times. SD had 9 TFL's.

KS scored 20 points in the first Q, with the 75 yard first play, a TD on blocked punt, and a 39 yard run. Then scored only 14 in the next 3 quarters. It looks like the KS starters played through the 3d Q. KS had 4 3 and outs in the first 3 Q's, and other drives of 14 and 26 yards before a punt and turnover on downs.

You can rely on a glance at some stats. I will take what the coaches said after watching and analyzing the game tape.

The first TD wasn't a direct snap to the receiver it was a jet sweep, but either way, you are right that you can't expect the DL to shut that down. However when they run the play the right DE gets washed down by the tackle outside him so hard that he actually crashes into the NG and the other DE. It wouldn't have effected the play (the problem on the play was that SD's linebacker, who had a solid game, bit way too hard on the counter motion and lost any pursuit angle) but it was indictive of what was to come for the SD D - line.

Second rushing TD, more of the same, all three DL caught in the wash and literally tripping over each other. If you watch the first three quarters most of the time KSU is able to man block the SD defensive line which makes life tough on the Coyotes LB's and secondary. Credit to SD's defense they did rack up 9 TFL's but only 4 were in the first 3 quarters. The defensive line recorded a total of 3.5 tackles including 1 sack for the entire game.

On another note; when you hear the O-line coach talk about his o-line in public or the head coach praise the up-coming opponent in public do you expect them to say anything of substance? The position coach isn't going to throw his own guys under the bus and the head coach isn't going to give the other team "bulletin board" material. Using those quotes to try to prove a point would be like using a defendants statement that he didn't steal the car as proof that he's innocent.

 

[SoldierGriz]

While the SD d-line may be a good test for the Griz O-line, Kansas State did NOT have trouble moving them last week. They ran downhill ALL.DAY.LONG. It was not competitive up front. K-State rushed for 150 yards in the 1st QTR alone. They then played nearly their entire roster...and it still wasn't competitive.

STOP spewing lies here on eGriz. You are the biggest distributer of bad and mis-information on the board. Please go back into hibernation.

You don't know what you are talking about, especially with the o-line. What I am saying is exactly what the coaches think.

KS rushed for 75 yards in one direct snap to a receiver. That is hardly running down hill all day long. You didn't see the game or watch the tape. KS was playing its starting QB and starting RB through the end of the 3d Q.

By my calculation, KS had drives totalling 178 yards in first quarter. 37 yard of which was passing. So, 141 rushing. That's not 150. KS had 5 runs over 5 yards in the first Q, including the 39 yarder for a TD.

The 1st Q wasn't competitive, but, after that, the next 3 Q's were 14-0.

At least, everyone now knows that nothing you say should be trusted.

You don't know where I was last Saturday....

Kansas State ran the ball at will. They rotated their backs to save Deuce's legs. They played to their 3s...and showed very little of their play book in the game. They didn't need to...the SD d-line was thoroughly dominated the entire game...neary 150 yards in the 1st qtr and over 250 by half.

Stop lying on this board and embarrassing yourself. The game passed you by years ago...you have no clue.

 

[mthoopsfan]

You don't know what you are talking about, especially with the o-line. What I am saying is exactly what the coaches think.

KS rushed for 75 yards in one direct snap to a receiver. That is hardly running down hill all day long. You didn't see the game or watch the tape. KS was playing its starting QB and starting RB through the end of the 3d Q.

By my calculation, KS had drives totalling 178 yards in first quarter. 37 yard of which was passing. So, 141 rushing. That's not 150. KS had 5 runs over 5 yards in the first Q, including the 39 yarder for a TD.

The 1st Q wasn't competitive, but, after that, the next 3 Q's were 14-0.

At least, everyone now knows that nothing you say should be trusted.

You don't know where I was last Saturday....

Kansas State ran the ball at will. They rotated their backs to save Deuce's legs. They played to their 3s...and showed very little of their play book in the game. They didn't need to...the SD d-line was thoroughly dominated the entire game...neary 150 yards in the 1st qtr and over 250 by half.

Stop lying on this board and embarrassing yourself. The game passed you by years ago...you have no clue.

KS didn’t run the ball at will. The SD line was not pushed off the ball. Now it’s almost 150 yards in first Q and not 150? Try 66 yards rushing in first Q, after the receiver run. 66 yards. Wow, running at will. Back the 39er out and they had 27 yards. Dominant?

You don’t know where I was last Saturday either. And who I was sitting next to. And who I talked to.

How’s this? Let’s bet $100 on whether Hauck said KS didn’t push the SD d-line off the ball? Put up or shut.

At least, I played the game and at a high level. You never did. Want to be another $100 on that.

Keep on talking yourself into a bigger hole. Everyone knows that you don’t know what you are talking about. You are becoming a bigger joke with every post.

Let me know on the bets.

 

[EverettGriz]

Look! A pissing match on egriz and PR is involved! That’s something different….

 

[AZGrizFan]

Yes, KS ripped off a 75 yard TD on the first play with a direct snap to a receiver who went around the end. The play had nothing to do with the d-line. Without that play to a receiver, yards per carry, for the backs and qb's, drops to 5 yards per carry (slightly less than the Griz average last Saturday). The KS all-american back had a nice day: 18-126 with a 39 yard TD run.

KS threw for 95 yards, on short passes. Total offense of 392. 5-14 on 3d down conversions. KS was sacked 4 times. SD had 9 TFL's.

KS scored 20 points in the first Q, with the 75 yard first play, a TD on blocked punt, and a 39 yard run. Then scored only 14 in the next 3 quarters. It looks like the KS starters played through the 3d Q. KS had 4 3 and outs in the first 3 Q's, and other drives of 14 and 26 yards before a punt and turnover on downs.

You can rely on a glance at some stats. I will take what the coaches said after watching and analyzing the game tape.

The first TD wasn't a direct snap to the receiver it was a jet sweep, but either way, you are right that you can't expect the DL to shut that down. However when they run the play the right DE gets washed down by the tackle outside him so hard that he actually crashes into the NG and the other DE. It wouldn't have effected the play (the problem on the play was that SD's linebacker, who had a solid game, bit way too hard on the counter motion and lost any pursuit angle) but it was indictive of what was to come for the SD D - line.

Second rushing TD, more of the same, all three DL caught in the wash and literally tripping over each other. If you watch the first three quarters most of the time KSU is able to man block the SD defensive line which makes life tough on the Coyotes LB's and secondary. Credit to SD's defense they did rack up 9 TFL's but only 4 were in the first 3 quarters. The defensive line recorded a total of 3.5 tackles including 1 sack for the entire game.

On another note; when you hear the O-line coach talk about his o-line in public or the head coach praise the up-coming opponent in public do you expect them to say anything of substance? The position coach isn't going to throw his own guys under the bus and the head coach isn't going to give the other team "bulletin board" material. Using those quotes to try to prove a point would be like using a defendants statement that he didn't steal the car as proof that he's innocent.

If it was a jet sweep, doesn’t that go in the passing column? Or am i thinking of the fly sweep?

 

[SaskGriz]

The first TD wasn't a direct snap to the receiver it was a jet sweep, but either way, you are right that you can't expect the DL to shut that down. However when they run the play the right DE gets washed down by the tackle outside him so hard that he actually crashes into the NG and the other DE. It wouldn't have effected the play (the problem on the play was that SD's linebacker, who had a solid game, bit way too hard on the counter motion and lost any pursuit angle) but it was indictive of what was to come for the SD D - line.

Second rushing TD, more of the same, all three DL caught in the wash and literally tripping over each other. If you watch the first three quarters most of the time KSU is able to man block the SD defensive line which makes life tough on the Coyotes LB's and secondary. Credit to SD's defense they did rack up 9 TFL's but only 4 were in the first 3 quarters. The defensive line recorded a total of 3.5 tackles including 1 sack for the entire game.

On another note; when you hear the O-line coach talk about his o-line in public or the head coach praise the up-coming opponent in public do you expect them to say anything of substance? The position coach isn't going to throw his own guys under the bus and the head coach isn't going to give the other team "bulletin board" material. Using those quotes to try to prove a point would be like using a defendants statement that he didn't steal the car as proof that he's innocent.

If it was a jet sweep, doesn’t that go in the passing column? Or am i thinking of the fly sweep?

I'm not sure how the recording of it works, on the KSU play the ball was handed to the Z receiver. Maybe you have to have separation and a short toss for it to be a pass. Not sure and must admit I can't find/don't know the answer.

 

[SoldierGriz]

You don't know where I was last Saturday....

Kansas State ran the ball at will. They rotated their backs to save Deuce's legs. They played to their 3s...and showed very little of their play book in the game. They didn't need to...the SD d-line was thoroughly dominated the entire game...neary 150 yards in the 1st qtr and over 250 by half.

Stop lying on this board and embarrassing yourself. The game passed you by years ago...you have no clue.

KS didn’t run the ball at will. The SD line was not pushed off the ball. Now it’s almost 150 yards in first Q and not 150? Try 66 yards rushing in first Q, after the receiver run. 66 yards. Wow, running at will. Back the 39er out and they had 27 yards. Dominant?

You don’t know where I was last Saturday either. And who I was sitting next to. And who I talked to.

How’s this? Let’s bet $100 on whether Hauck said KS didn’t push the SD d-line off the ball? Put up or shut.

At least, I played the game and at a high level. You never did. Want to be another $100 on that.

Keep on talking yourself into a bigger hole. Everyone knows that you don’t know what you are talking about. You are becoming a bigger joke with every post.

Let me know on the bets.

Bets accepted. But, make them $10,000 each.

No one backs out plays from statistics. Malik Knowles took an end around to the house. It was a running play - not one SD defender in the backfield, and not one SD defender set the edge....and the SD d-line did neither of those things well all game....even against the K-State 3s.

I don't think it is possible for someone to post dumber stuff on a fan board. Please go back to defending grown men who pull their girl's hair out, stomp on cell phones, and deal coke in the Last Best Place. That's your niche. Football has left you behind.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

While the SD d-line may be a good test for the Griz O-line, Kansas State did NOT have trouble moving them last week. They ran downhill ALL.DAY.LONG. It was not competitive up front. K-State rushed for 150 yards in the 1st QTR alone. They then played nearly their entire roster...and it still wasn't competitive.

STOP spewing lies here on eGriz. You are the biggest distributer of bad and mis-information on the board. Please go back into hibernation.

You don't know what you are talking about, especially with the o-line. What I am saying is exactly what the coaches think.

KS rushed for 75 yards in one direct snap to a receiver. That is hardly running down hill all day long. You didn't see the game or watch the tape. KS was playing its starting QB and starting RB through the end of the 3d Q.

By my calculation, KS had drives totalling 178 yards in first quarter. 37 yard of which was passing. So, 141 rushing. That's not 150. KS had 5 runs over 5 yards in the first Q, including the 39 yarder for a TD.

The 1st Q wasn't competitive, but, after that, the next 3 Q's were 14-0.

At least, everyone now knows that nothing you say should be trusted.

Nothing to see here but "my stat spin is better than your spin." Two peas at different ends of the pod.

 

[HookedonGriz]

If it was a jet sweep, doesn’t that go in the passing column? Or am i thinking of the fly sweep?

I'm not sure how the recording of it works, on the KSU play the ball was handed to the Z receiver. Maybe you have to have separation and a short toss for it to be a pass. Not sure and must admit I can't find/don't know the answer.

On the famous Bob Stitt fly sweep, where the quarterback actually passes the ball forward to the receiver, that’s considered a pass. Because if it was dropped, it’s an incomplete pass and the play is dead. If the ball is handed off directly from the quarterback to a sweeping slot receiver, then it would be a rush and a fumble if dropped

 

[SaskGriz]

I'm not sure how the recording of it works, on the KSU play the ball was handed to the Z receiver. Maybe you have to have separation and a short toss for it to be a pass. Not sure and must admit I can't find/don't know the answer.

On the famous Bob Stitt fly sweep, where the quarterback actually passes the ball forward to the receiver, that’s considered a pass. Because if it was dropped, it’s an incomplete pass and the play is dead. If the ball is handed off directly from the quarterback to a sweeping slot receiver, then it would be a rush and a fumble if dropped

Thank you, makes sense.

 

[mthoopsfan]

KS didn’t run the ball at will. The SD line was not pushed off the ball. Now it’s almost 150 yards in first Q and not 150? Try 66 yards rushing in first Q, after the receiver run. 66 yards. Wow, running at will. Back the 39er out and they had 27 yards. Dominant?

You don’t know where I was last Saturday either. And who I was sitting next to. And who I talked to.

How’s this? Let’s bet $100 on whether Hauck said KS didn’t push the SD d-line off the ball? Put up or shut.

At least, I played the game and at a high level. You never did. Want to be another $100 on that.

Keep on talking yourself into a bigger hole. Everyone knows that you don’t know what you are talking about. You are becoming a bigger joke with every post.

Let me know on the bets.

Bets accepted. But, make them $10,000 each.

No one backs out plays from statistics. Malik Knowles took an end around to the house. It was a running play - not one SD defender in the backfield, and not one SD defender set the edge....and the SD d-line did neither of those things well all game....even against the K-State 3s.

I don't think it is possible for someone to post dumber stuff on a fan board. Please go back to defending grown men who pull their girl's hair out, stomp on cell phones, and deal coke in the Last Best Place. That's your niche. Football has left you behind.

My proposed bets are what Hauck said about the o-line having good grades and playing well, and on the KS not pushing off the SD d-line? Are you willing to make those bets?

 

[mthoopsfan]

You don't know what you are talking about, especially with the o-line. What I am saying is exactly what the coaches think.

KS rushed for 75 yards in one direct snap to a receiver. That is hardly running down hill all day long. You didn't see the game or watch the tape. KS was playing its starting QB and starting RB through the end of the 3d Q.

By my calculation, KS had drives totalling 178 yards in first quarter. 37 yard of which was passing. So, 141 rushing. That's not 150. KS had 5 runs over 5 yards in the first Q, including the 39 yarder for a TD.

The 1st Q wasn't competitive, but, after that, the next 3 Q's were 14-0.

At least, everyone now knows that nothing you say should be trusted.

Nothing to see here but "my stat spin is better than your spin." Two peas at different ends of the pod.

My two points, which Sask disputes, are what Hauck has said. That's not spin. They are facts. Do you want to take those $100 bets?

 

[Gaeilge1]

Seem to me that we are spending way too much time on the wrong comparison. Instead of deciding how much better South Dakota is over Northwestern State we should be asking how much better Montana is over Kansas State!?☺

 

[Gaeilge1]

Seem to me that we are spending way too much time on the wrong comparison. Instead of deciding how much better South Dakota is over Northwestern State we should be asking how much better Montana is over Kansas State!?☺

 

[SoldierGriz]

Seem to me that we are spending way too much time on the wrong comparison. Instead of deciding how much better South Dakota is over Northwestern State we should be asking how much better Montana is over Kansas State!?☺

K-State wins that game by 20. But it might be close for a half or 3 qtrs...

They are a very good team. Would be fun to watch. Their safeties are fun to watch...remind me of Tim Hauck back in the day. Duece Vaughn is tiny.. and explosive.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Okay, Sask. Here's one of the $100 bets: Did Hauck say this? "the Coyotes’ D-line didn’t get knocked off the ball."

Here's the second bet: Did Hauck sayin answer to a question about how the -line graded out? "Good".

Put up or shut up.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Okay, Sask. Here's one of the $100 bets: Did Hauck say this? "the Coyotes’ D-line didn’t get knocked off the ball."

Here's the second bet: Did Hauck sayin answer to a question about how the -line graded out? "Good".

Put up or shut up.

Or, $10,000 would also work for me on those two bets.

 

[SaskGriz]

Okay, Sask. Here's one of the $100 bets: Did Hauck say this? "the Coyotes’ D-line didn’t get knocked off the ball."

Here's the second bet: Did Hauck sayin answer to a question about how the -line graded out? "Good".

Put up or shut up.

I shall do neither.

My initial post was in reaction to your statement: "The SD d-line will be a good test for the o-line, as Kansas St had trouble moving them last week."

I pointed out that KSU gouged the Coyotes to the tune of 45/297 at 6.6/carry.

I have never disputed that Coach Hauck said both of those things, I'm sure he did. It just doesn't help you prove your initial statement.

Is your entire case for the Coyotes D-Line being good that Coach Hauck said so?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Okay, Sask. Here's one of the $100 bets: Did Hauck say this? "the Coyotes’ D-line didn’t get knocked off the ball."

Here's the second bet: Did Hauck sayin answer to a question about how the -line graded out? "Good".

Put up or shut up.

I shall do neither.

My initial post was in reaction to your statement: "The SD d-line will be a good test for the o-line, as Kansas St had trouble moving them last week."

I pointed out that KSU gouged the Coyotes to the tune of 45/297 at 6.6/carry.

I have never disputed that Coach Hauck said both of those things, I'm sure he did. It just doesn't help you prove your initial statement.

Is your entire case for the Coyotes D-Line being good that Coach Hauck said so?

My two points all along have been what Hauck said. You disputed that on multiple occasions. You called me a liar, a time of two. Now, the board can see that you don't have the balls to back up what have said. You just keep trying to change the discussion. You know virtually nothing about the Griz program, and consistently say incorrect things about the program. You never played football at a high level. You don't know or have access to Hauck or any of the coaches. No one on the board posts more incorrect things about Griz football than you do.

Another point/question. Do you think the SD d-line won't be a good test for the UM o-line?