NY Times article on "Moving Up"

[mtgrizrule]

Seriously, does it make someone a better fan, or more entitlement if they went to school at the U of M?

To me, it does not matter where someone went to school or where someone is from. As long as you are a diehard GRIZ fan, and not some fair weathered fan, happy to have you be part of GRIZ NATION!!

By the way Hammer, and every vet, Thank you for your service. I did my time with the Air Force, so I can appreciate what every veteran has done for our country and freedom. :thumb:

 

[kemajic]

Does it really matter? the MWC is going to 14 or 16 and there aren't any Western FBS leagues for UM to go to anyway. SHip has sailed to the dismay or relief of many

Agree; we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700.

Kem you are obviously ignorant of the major changes and restructuring of college football that will be happening in the next 3-5 years. You and Spanky can whine all you want about it but a move now by UM would be stupid. Stay tuned, and in the meantime support don't bitch.

Characterizing one who disagrees with your own opinion as ignorant is a play stolen from PR; at least I'm not so "obviously ignorant" that I can read. Where did you get that I suggested a move? There is nowhere to move; we are stuck in the BSC and as I said, "we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700." Fact; the players just love this. The nirvana of this status quo erodes two ways; the good ones (often rivals) move up and the bad ones chew up the taxpayer's money to the point of questionable sustainability and contribute little to conferance affiliation.

What you don't seem to understand is that your "restructuring" involves programs that want to grow and better themselves. Those short of that fortitude sit on their hands until all the chairs are filled and they slowly slide down the slope. Ignorance is suggesting that savior NCAA will step in and save the day for those afraid to save themselves. So you tell us, omniscent one, which type of leadership exists at UM and what lies in the future for Montana football and the BSC.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Does it really matter? the MWC is going to 14 or 16 and there aren't any Western FBS leagues for UM to go to anyway. SHip has sailed to the dismay or relief of many

Agree; we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700.

Kem you are obviously ignorant of the major changes and restructuring of college football that will be happening in the next 3-5 years. You and Spanky can whine all you want about it but a move now by UM would be stupid. Stay tuned, and in the meantime support don't bitch.

Characterizing one who disagrees with your own opinion as ignorant is a play stolen from PR; at least I'm not so "obviously ignorant" that I can read. Where did you get that I suggested a move? There is nowhere to move; we are stuck in the BSC and as I said, "we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700." Fact; the players just love this. The nirvana of this status quo erodes two ways; the good ones (often rivals) move up and the bad ones chew up the taxpayer's money to the point of questionable sustainability and contribute little to conferance affiliation.

What you don't seem to understand is that your "restructuring" involves programs that want to grow and better themselves. Those short of that fortitude sit on their hands until all the chairs are filled and they slowly slide down the slope. Ignorance is suggesting that savior NCAA will step in and save the day for those afraid to save themselves. So you tell us, omniscent one, which type of leadership exists at UM and what lies in the future for Montana football and the BSC.

All I know is, if we are reactive instead of proactive, the bitching on egriz will be at an all time high. Also a ship might be sailing without the GRIZ on it. Seriously would love to hear the plan our so called leaders have as world of college football continues to evolve? What are they doing to prepare for when there is a new "decision" day. Right now, it looks U of M and MSU are both in a world of hurt. At least I have some faith in the powers to be at MSU. I have ZERO faith in our current President.

 

[kemajic]

Agree; we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700.

Kem you are obviously ignorant of the major changes and restructuring of college football that will be happening in the next 3-5 years. You and Spanky can whine all you want about it but a move now by UM would be stupid. Stay tuned, and in the meantime support don't bitch.

Characterizing one who disagrees with your own opinion as ignorant is a play stolen from PR; at least I'm not so "obviously ignorant" that I can read. Where did you get that I suggested a move? There is nowhere to move; we are stuck in the BSC and as I said, "we will continue to play BSC road FB games in front of 4000 and Bball games in front of 700." Fact; the players just love this. The nirvana of this status quo erodes two ways; the good ones (often rivals) move up and the bad ones chew up the taxpayer's money to the point of questionable sustainability and contribute little to conferance affiliation.

What you don't seem to understand is that your "restructuring" involves programs that want to grow and better themselves. Those short of that fortitude sit on their hands until all the chairs are filled and they slowly slide down the slope. Ignorance is suggesting that savior NCAA will step in and save the day for those afraid to save themselves. So you tell us, omniscent one, which type of leadership exists at UM and what lies in the future for Montana football and the BSC.

All I know is, if we are reactive instead of proactive, the bitching on egriz will be at an all time high. Also a ship might be sailing without the GRIZ on it. Seriously would love to hear the plan our so called leaders have as world of college football continues to evolve? What are they doing to prepare for when there is a new "decision" day. Right now, it looks U of M and MSU are both in a world of hurt. At least I have some faith in the powers to be at MSU. I have ZERO faith in our current President.

Cruzado will not be at MSU much longer; she is high demand.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Kem, again, as you always say, a source would be convenient to back up your claims.

 

[kemajic]

Kem, again, as you always say, a source would be convenient to back up your claims.

This might be your first clue.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/education/article_9c9794f0-3979-11e2-857c-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just an example; Purdue courts her constantly. Her potential is viewed beyond academia. Do you honestly think a little cow college in the frozen tundra of Bozeman will be able to keep her for long? A good stepping stone for her; you should be thankful for the time she spends there.

 

[Jerry Punch]

I read the article, Kem. Can you point out to me where it says Purdue is actively courting her? I'll be waiting.

Yes, it is possible for excellent talent to remain in Bozeman. I know it is hard to recognize excellent leadership having suffered under the tenure of President Engstrom, but we have it in Bozeman. We also are capable of receiving significant donations, some around the 25 million dollar range. Does smogville get such generous donations, Kem?

I know it is hard to understand this when UM is producing more theater and liberal arts majors than business people, lawyers, pharmacists and physical therapists, but Bozeman has a great alumni base of successful graduates. It will take a long time for UM and the city of Missoula to catch up. You may fill the city with highly educated Starbucks baristas, but in Bozeman, the focus is on jobs that pay well and give something back to the world with science, technology, and others.

Good luck, Kem, and Godspeed.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I read the article, Kem. Can you point out to me where it says Purdue is actively courting her? I'll be waiting.

Yes, it is possible for excellent talent to remain in Bozeman. I know it is hard to recognize excellent leadership having suffered under the tenure of President Engstrom, but we have it in Bozeman. We also are capable of receiving significant donations, some around the 25 million dollar range. Does smogville get such generous donations, Kem?

I know it is hard to understand this when UM is producing more theater and liberal arts majors than business people, lawyers, pharmacists and physical therapists, but Bozeman has a great alumni base of successful graduates. It will take a long time for UM and the city of Missoula to catch up. You may fill the city with highly educated Starbucks baristas, but in Bozeman, the focus is on jobs that pay well and give something back to the world with science, technology, and others.

Good luck, Kem, and Godspeed.

Is he not entitled to his opinion? We can only hope someone is looking for an University President that can be a puppet for the BOR and tear down a football program. God, Please let Engstrom be offered a new job with much better pay. Amen. :thumb:

 

[kemajic]

I read the article, Kem. Can you point out to me where it says Purdue is actively courting her? I'll be waiting.

Yes, it is possible for excellent talent to remain in Bozeman. I know it is hard to recognize excellent leadership having suffered under the tenure of President Engstrom, but we have it in Bozeman. We also are capable of receiving significant donations, some around the 25 million dollar range. Does smogville get such generous donations, Kem?

I know it is hard to understand this when UM is producing more theater and liberal arts majors than business people, lawyers, pharmacists and physical therapists, but Bozeman has a great alumni base of successful graduates. It will take a long time for UM and the city of Missoula to catch up. You may fill the city with highly educated Starbucks baristas, but in Bozeman, the focus is on jobs that pay well and give something back to the world with science, technology, and others.

Good luck, Kem, and Godspeed.

You would expect that type of information to be published? Tells me something about your intelligence. My source is within MSU but I would not reveal it to you in a million years. If you did just a little research and had a little intellect to apply you might be able to make the connection.

As it relates to how far ahead of UM that MSU is by your claims, then it would figure that MSU could claim a superior legacy in athletics. Care to compare the accomplishments of both? I can't wait to hear about rodeo....

 

[Jerry Punch]

I read the article, Kem. Can you point out to me where it says Purdue is actively courting her? I'll be waiting.

Yes, it is possible for excellent talent to remain in Bozeman. I know it is hard to recognize excellent leadership having suffered under the tenure of President Engstrom, but we have it in Bozeman. We also are capable of receiving significant donations, some around the 25 million dollar range. Does smogville get such generous donations, Kem?

I know it is hard to understand this when UM is producing more theater and liberal arts majors than business people, lawyers, pharmacists and physical therapists, but Bozeman has a great alumni base of successful graduates. It will take a long time for UM and the city of Missoula to catch up. You may fill the city with highly educated Starbucks baristas, but in Bozeman, the focus is on jobs that pay well and give something back to the world with science, technology, and others.

Good luck, Kem, and Godspeed.

You would expect that type of information to be published? Tells me something about your intelligence. My source is within MSU but I would not reveal it to you in a million years. If you did just a little research and had a little intellect to apply you might be able to make the connection.

As it relates to how far ahead of UM that MSU is by your claims, then it would figure that MSU could claim a superior legacy in athletics. Care to compare the accomplishments of both? I can't wait to hear about rodeo....

Excellent response. I am sure your "inside information" is objective and reliable since it is being told by someone at MSU to a big time Griz homer. From now on I will assume that I too can post information without quoting a source we all view and analyze. Thank you.

I don't think MSU could claim a superior legacy in athletics. I have never said that. In fact, I believe that UM has a far superior legacy in athletics. It isn't even close. But that's not what I was talking about when I said high-paying, lasting and essential jobs, wasn't it?

The tide is changing, Kem. That doesn't mean UM will decline. It means that MSU is finally figuring it out. Both schools can have excellent athletic programs at the same time, right?

 

[Bisonation]

Face facts, there are legit only 6-8 fcs programs that are the cream, being held back by others.

Montana NDSU appy st Geo so jmu villinova

 

[wbtfg]

Kind of off topic (didn't want to start a entirely new thread), but here's what the BOR has been focused on.

It seems as if the state Board of Regents has needlessly – and unwisely – gotten itself embroiled in a controversial land deal tainted with charges of political cronyism.

Constitutionally, the board is independent of the governor’s office, yet it has been accused of acting on behalf of Gov. Brian Schweitzer when it approved putting $2 million of University System research funds toward the $8 million purchase of ranch land in Hill County belonging to Schweitzer supporters.

A Bozeman judge ordered the use of the U-system money halted pending a Jan. 23 hearing. And although the land deal was finalized last week anyway, the regents – all of whom were appointed by Schweitzer – owe the public an explanation of their involvement in this deal.

According to court papers and a number of state officials, Schweitzer directed the departments of Fish, Wildlife and Parks and Natural Resources and Conservation to kick in millions of dollars toward the purchase of the Aageson Ranch near the Canadian border in north-central Montana.

Plaintiffs opposing the use of U-system money in the purchase allege the regents were likewise “ordered” by the governor to appropriate $2 million – $1.1 million of which had already been sent to Montana State University and the University of Montana for research – toward the purchase of the land owned by Schweitzer campaign donors. However, the Montana Constitution specifies the Board of Regents is to be independent of the administration, and with good reason. Political tampering with the state's institutions of higher learning could compromise their academic missions.

Two million dollars isn’t chump change in a state like Montana. And to the chronically cash-strapped University System, it’s a considerable sum.

Spokespersons for the administration have defended the purchase saying it will benefit Montanans with access to valuable hunting and fishing opportunities. They have also argued the land has paleontological and archaeological assets valuable to the universities. The surface value of the land was appraised at $7 million. The archaeological and paleontological potential was valued at $12 million, according to those state officials, despite the fact that universities have been digging on neighboring pieces of land for free.
The land could be a good deal for state recreationists and researchers. But putting together a deal in the waning hours of Schweitzer’s administration that directly benefits donors doesn’t look good. And the regents involvement in it looks even worse.

At this point, they need to provide a thorough justification for the board's actions in this matter.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/opinions/editorials/article_1c9f2636-52ca-11e2-9de3-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[kemajic]

You would expect that type of information to be published? Tells me something about your intelligence. My source is within MSU but I would not reveal it to you in a million years. If you did just a little research and had a little intellect to apply you might be able to make the connection.

As it relates to how far ahead of UM that MSU is by your claims, then it would figure that MSU could claim a superior legacy in athletics. Care to compare the accomplishments of both? I can't wait to hear about rodeo....

Excellent response. I am sure your "inside information" is objective and reliable since it is being told by someone at MSU to a big time Griz homer. From now on I will assume that I too can post information without quoting a source we all view and analyze. Thank you.

I don't think MSU could claim a superior legacy in athletics. I have never said that. In fact, I believe that UM has a far superior legacy in athletics. It isn't even close. But that's not what I was talking about when I said high-paying, lasting and essential jobs, wasn't it?

The tide is changing, Kem. That doesn't mean UM will decline. It means that MSU is finally figuring it out. Both schools can have excellent athletic programs at the same time, right?

Real Montana fans want MSU to be competitive and respect the work that's been done to get back. We got a bit tired of your lengthy swoon. It's far more interesting to go into the game not knowing who is going to win. We've lost Idaho as a long time and valued rival. You (and recently EWU) are all that's left. The intense bitterness that remains from 16 straight losses is a bit hard to take at times.

We all like to smack MSU as you like to smack UM, but I almost went to MSU myself in the Sweeney era, but Montana (weak FB program it was at the time) upped the anti. Outstanding undergrad education (a science, not theatre); head start on grad. school; wound up with one of your "high-paying, lasting and essential jobs." It happens to UM grads in spite of what you think. Never a regret.

 

[kemajic]

Kind of off topic (didn't want to start a entirely new thread), but here's what the BOR has been focused on.

It seems as if the state Board of Regents has needlessly – and unwisely – gotten itself embroiled in a controversial land deal tainted with charges of political cronyism.

Constitutionally, the board is independent of the governor’s office, yet it has been accused of acting on behalf of Gov. Brian Schweitzer when it approved putting $2 million of University System research funds toward the $8 million purchase of ranch land in Hill County belonging to Schweitzer supporters.

A Bozeman judge ordered the use of the U-system money halted pending a Jan. 23 hearing. And although the land deal was finalized last week anyway, the regents – all of whom were appointed by Schweitzer – owe the public an explanation of their involvement in this deal.

According to court papers and a number of state officials, Schweitzer directed the departments of Fish, Wildlife and Parks and Natural Resources and Conservation to kick in millions of dollars toward the purchase of the Aageson Ranch near the Canadian border in north-central Montana.

Plaintiffs opposing the use of U-system money in the purchase allege the regents were likewise “ordered” by the governor to appropriate $2 million – $1.1 million of which had already been sent to Montana State University and the University of Montana for research – toward the purchase of the land owned by Schweitzer campaign donors. However, the Montana Constitution specifies the Board of Regents is to be independent of the administration, and with good reason. Political tampering with the state's institutions of higher learning could compromise their academic missions.

Two million dollars isn’t chump change in a state like Montana. And to the chronically cash-strapped University System, it’s a considerable sum.

Spokespersons for the administration have defended the purchase saying it will benefit Montanans with access to valuable hunting and fishing opportunities. They have also argued the land has paleontological and archaeological assets valuable to the universities. The surface value of the land was appraised at $7 million. The archaeological and paleontological potential was valued at $12 million, according to those state officials, despite the fact that universities have been digging on neighboring pieces of land for free.
The land could be a good deal for state recreationists and researchers. But putting together a deal in the waning hours of Schweitzer’s administration that directly benefits donors doesn’t look good. And the regents involvement in it looks even worse.

At this point, they need to provide a thorough justification for the board's actions in this matter.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/opinions/editorials/article_1c9f2636-52ca-11e2-9de3-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As corrupt as the Obama administration. Surprised the media exposed it.

 

[mtgrizrule]

No way, a political move that benefits a group tied to a politician. It just can't be. What a messed up world we are in these days.

 

[Silvertip]

If anyone needs further evidence of the Griz continuing to flounder in the D-1 backwash consider Houston Baptist. Will play their first season of football in 2013 before joining the Southland Conference in 2014 and then...? Another example of the growing list of johnny-come-lately Liberty University's, Old Dominion's, Florida Atlantic's and others whose programs emerge in the FCS only to pass by the less ambitious...our Griz is the schlump who turns down one opportunity too many and spends the rest of his working life fat dumb and happy in the mailroom. Sad...

 

[griz4life]

Kind of off topic (didn't want to start a entirely new thread), but here's what the BOR has been focused on.

It seems as if the state Board of Regents has needlessly – and unwisely – gotten itself embroiled in a controversial land deal tainted with charges of political cronyism.

Constitutionally, the board is independent of the governor’s office, yet it has been accused of acting on behalf of Gov. Brian Schweitzer when it approved putting $2 million of University System research funds toward the $8 million purchase of ranch land in Hill County belonging to Schweitzer supporters.

A Bozeman judge ordered the use of the U-system money halted pending a Jan. 23 hearing. And although the land deal was finalized last week anyway, the regents – all of whom were appointed by Schweitzer – owe the public an explanation of their involvement in this deal.

According to court papers and a number of state officials, Schweitzer directed the departments of Fish, Wildlife and Parks and Natural Resources and Conservation to kick in millions of dollars toward the purchase of the Aageson Ranch near the Canadian border in north-central Montana.

Plaintiffs opposing the use of U-system money in the purchase allege the regents were likewise “ordered” by the governor to appropriate $2 million – $1.1 million of which had already been sent to Montana State University and the University of Montana for research – toward the purchase of the land owned by Schweitzer campaign donors. However, the Montana Constitution specifies the Board of Regents is to be independent of the administration, and with good reason. Political tampering with the state's institutions of higher learning could compromise their academic missions.

Two million dollars isn’t chump change in a state like Montana. And to the chronically cash-strapped University System, it’s a considerable sum.

Spokespersons for the administration have defended the purchase saying it will benefit Montanans with access to valuable hunting and fishing opportunities. They have also argued the land has paleontological and archaeological assets valuable to the universities. The surface value of the land was appraised at $7 million. The archaeological and paleontological potential was valued at $12 million, according to those state officials, despite the fact that universities have been digging on neighboring pieces of land for free.
The land could be a good deal for state recreationists and researchers. But putting together a deal in the waning hours of Schweitzer’s administration that directly benefits donors doesn’t look good. And the regents involvement in it looks even worse.

At this point, they need to provide a thorough justification for the board's actions in this matter.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/opinions/editorials/article_1c9f2636-52ca-11e2-9de3-001a4bcf887a.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think the BOR was focused on Milk River sale. Sadly it didn't put up a fight about the university system being treated as a money pot in a scheme that charges the the Universities a handsome fee for something they've been getting for free.