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Not Until 2017 At The Earliest

marceagfan5 said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I know, I know, we haven't even played the 2015 season yet, so it is stupid to even discuss next season. I'll save you the keystrokes to tell me this.

But I want to give you concrete reasons why there is no way we will turn things around until 2017, possible not even until 2018.

The reason is DEFENSE, and the lack of it. Our 2016 will be depleted of impact players at many key positions. Our D-line loses its best two players. Our LB corps loses its top 4 players. We lose our best CB and best safety. We will be very young on defense, and our front 7 will be untested and extremely young.

You win with defense. And ours will be the weakest it has been in many years next year. Tell me why I'm wrong, sans the childish name-calling.

Lets see, the Griz have made the playoffs the last two years even with all the "turmoil", you were even seeded in 2013. You play in the Big Sky, which has 3-4 good teams every year, but a lot of dumpster fires and gimme wins. You have a new coach, although unproven at the FCS level, appears to be a good one.

Your offense will improve immediately, regardless of the new system, and no one buys the "we are losing all are talent" argument. Good programs replace talent with other talent, the Griz are a good program where talented players want to play.

The griz will be just fine and have this thing turned around well before 2017 or 2018, c'mon man.
Great post. Growlie, I think it's time for a self-imposed vacation to try and recover from this cordial yet devastating beatdown.
 
marceagfan5 said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I know, I know, we haven't even played the 2015 season yet, so it is stupid to even discuss next season. I'll save you the keystrokes to tell me this.

But I want to give you concrete reasons why there is no way we will turn things around until 2017, possible not even until 2018.

The reason is DEFENSE, and the lack of it. Our 2016 will be depleted of impact players at many key positions. Our D-line loses its best two players. Our LB corps loses its top 4 players. We lose our best CB and best safety. We will be very young on defense, and our front 7 will be untested and extremely young.

You win with defense. And ours will be the weakest it has been in many years next year. Tell me why I'm wrong, sans the childish name-calling.

Lets see, the Griz have made the playoffs the last two years even with all the "turmoil", you were even seeded in 2013. You play in the Big Sky, which has 3-4 good teams every year, but a lot of dumpster fires and gimme wins. You have a new coach, although unproven at the FCS level, appears to be a good one.

Your offense will improve immediately, regardless of the new system, and no one buys the "we are losing all are talent" argument. Good programs replace talent with other talent, the Griz are a good program where talented players want to play.

The griz will be just fine and have this thing turned around well before 2017 or 2018, c'mon man.

Pretty sad when a Beagles fan is more rational than a self-proclaimed Griz fan about the supposed "sinking ship". (Of which I'm a fan, by the way). :D
 
AZGrizFan said:
marceagfan5 said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I know, I know, we haven't even played the 2015 season yet, so it is stupid to even discuss next season. I'll save you the keystrokes to tell me this.

But I want to give you concrete reasons why there is no way we will turn things around until 2017, possible not even until 2018.

The reason is DEFENSE, and the lack of it. Our 2016 will be depleted of impact players at many key positions. Our D-line loses its best two players. Our LB corps loses its top 4 players. We lose our best CB and best safety. We will be very young on defense, and our front 7 will be untested and extremely young.

You win with defense. And ours will be the weakest it has been in many years next year. Tell me why I'm wrong, sans the childish name-calling.

Lets see, the Griz have made the playoffs the last two years even with all the "turmoil", you were even seeded in 2013. You play in the Big Sky, which has 3-4 good teams every year, but a lot of dumpster fires and gimme wins. You have a new coach, although unproven at the FCS level, appears to be a good one.

Your offense will improve immediately, regardless of the new system, and no one buys the "we are losing all are talent" argument. Good programs replace talent with other talent, the Griz are a good program where talented players want to play.

The griz will be just fine and have this thing turned around well before 2017 or 2018, c'mon man.

Pretty sad when a Beagles fan is more rational than a self-proclaimed Griz fan about the supposed "sinking ship". (Of which I'm a fan, by the way). :D

Yeah, he's a good poster too..
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
BWahlberg said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Nice job of proving nothing. Bottom line is, you don't lose 7 starters, many of which are 1st or 2nd team All-Conference players, and not have a drop-off the following year. Experience is critical. Name a year in the past 15 seasons where we lost the QUANTITY of starters on defense? Then you might be able to prove your point.

Happened in 2014
Happened in 2009
Happened in 2008
Happened in 2006
Happened in 2003
Happened in 2000

Gosh I mean NEVER you're right

You are incorrect. List them or STFU.

Crap, can't go back to 2000's b/c it's not in the Big Sky historical data.

2003 the defense improved it's scoring defense by almost 3 points per game and shaved 30 yards per game of allowed yards.

2006 the defense improved it's scoring defense by almost 2.5 points per game an shaved 90 yards per game of allowed yards.

2008 the defense held firm and didn't allow more points per game and shaved 12 yards per game of allowed yards.

2009 I was wrong - remembered that one incorrectly, allowed 1.5 more per game and about 30 more yards per game.

2014 the defense improved it's scoring defense by about 2 points per game and shaved 21 yards per game of allowed yards.
 
After all these years....all these screen names.....and all the tired rhetoric, why the FUCK do you guys continue to argue with, over even have a discussion with this guy?

Amazing.
 
Raider said:
After all these years....all these screen names.....and all the tired rhetoric, why the f*** do you guys continue to argue with, over even have a discussion with this guy?

Amazing.

Personally I like the "Foe" function on this site. It makes it easy to not have to read garbage. :thumb:
 
Raider said:
After all these years....all these screen names.....and all the tired rhetoric, why the f*** do you guys continue to argue with, over even have a discussion with this guy?

Amazing.

It is all about getting to 17 pages...
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I stand firmly by the points I made to open this thread. All the rebuttals have focused on young, unproven players. Nothing is known about a player or a defense until they do it real-time. You don't lose 5 of your starting 7 upper defenders, several who will be All=Conference without a decline in production.

Your "points" are pure conjecture. Yet you somehow require others to PROVE their opinions/conjecture or THEY'RE wrong and YOU'RE right. Opinions are like assholes.

WAFJ
 
Can we try clearing things up here? By reading the opening post of this thread, it is made to sound like the GRIZ defense will be pathetic. Is that what you were trying to point out? Later in this thread, you posted there will be a drop in the defense after this season. I am reading 2 different levels in your point of views. Which point of view do you feel will be the case? Will the defense be bad, pathetic, and/or weak? OR will there be a slight drop off?

It looks to me some egrizzers are taking your initial post as the defense will be terrible. Many feel the defense will still be solid to great. So even if your point is the defense will have a drop off, by Big Sky standards the defense would still be average or better within the conference. I personally feel there is a chance the 2016 defense will be a little of a roller coaster ride the 1st half of the 2016 season. Yes, it is very possible there could be a drop off. Logically that would be a hard point to dispute with anyone. Many egrizzers are siding with GRIZ history and have faith in our coaching staff and players, and feel at worse there could be a little drop off. Very few, feel the defense will be terrible. Speaking of terrible, can we define a terrible, bad, or pathetic defense? Based on last season, I feel every defense in the conference outside of the GRIZ and UND was below average to terrible.

I admit, I will be very critical if the GRIZ defense ever gets as bad as EWU and MSU were last season. I don't mean that to slight those programs either. It really sucks to have one side of the ball be terrific and the other side of the ball be your teams downfall, keeping that team from a national championship. The encouraging part for EWU and MSU, both programs made coaching changes in an effort to improve their defenses.

I guess each of us should better define where we stand on this. For me, I expect a little drop off in 2016 from 2015, but for the defense still be good to great within the conference. In 2017, I expect the defense to be great to excellent within the conference. Either way, Gregorak still needs to prove he can bring the defense to a championship dominating level? Overall, I am overly concerned about the GRIZ defense for the next 3 to 4 years. My bigger concerns are how long will it take the offense to transition to what Stitt wants and our special teams improving.
 
Not a single down has been played in 2015 and people are making a serious attempt to discuss 2016 and 2017??? I'll take "Pointless" for $100, Alex.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Speaking of terrible, can we define a terrible, bad, or pathetic defense? Based on last season, I feel every defense in the conference outside of the GRIZ and UND was below average to terrible.

Based on some past posts by AtlantaGriz, "bad" is anything less than bringing home a championship.
 
Grisly Fan said:
Not a single down has been played in 2015 and people are making a serious attempt to discuss 2016 and 2017??? I'll take "Pointless" for $100, Alex.

Ha! Probably why you don't get to make the rules.
I know... that sucks.
 
Htowngriz said:
marceagfan5 said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I know, I know, we haven't even played the 2015 season yet, so it is stupid to even discuss next season. I'll save you the keystrokes to tell me this.

But I want to give you concrete reasons why there is no way we will turn things around until 2017, possible not even until 2018.

The reason is DEFENSE, and the lack of it. Our 2016 will be depleted of impact players at many key positions. Our D-line loses its best two players. Our LB corps loses its top 4 players. We lose our best CB and best safety. We will be very young on defense, and our front 7 will be untested and extremely young.

You win with defense. And ours will be the weakest it has been in many years next year. Tell me why I'm wrong, sans the childish name-calling.

Lets see, the Griz have made the playoffs the last two years even with all the "turmoil", you were even seeded in 2013. You play in the Big Sky, which has 3-4 good teams every year, but a lot of dumpster fires and gimme wins. You have a new coach, although unproven at the FCS level, appears to be a good one.

Your offense will improve immediately, regardless of the new system, and no one buys the "we are losing all are talent" argument. Good programs replace talent with other talent, the Griz are a good program where talented players want to play.

The griz will be just fine and have this thing turned around well before 2017 or 2018, c'mon man.
Great post. Growlie, I think it's time for a self-imposed vacation to try and recover from this cordial yet devastating beatdown.

Yeah, some EWU fan makes a post and you turn it into the Gospel. This is the same poster who Griz fans slammed incessantly for making stupid posts. Typical liberal rope-a-dope B.S.
 
Mom...stevie's acting out again..... :roll:

Stevie "full time" dill the ultimate king baby....

King Babies-The Quest for Maturity” that the syndrome relates to emotional developmental delays stemming from abuse, trauma or early drug use. Fear of loss of control is a hallmark, thus creating attitudes and actions that can become ingrained patterns over time. King Baby Syndrome is characterized by:
Belief that their needs come first and foremost without concern for others
Having blinders on when it comes to the perspectives of others
“My way or the highway” attitudes
Extreme arrogance
Dependency, but wanting to appear fiercely independent
Acquisition of money and possessions to prove worth
The need for continual validation
Catastrophizing events
Feeling misjudged and underappreciated
Expressions of superiority that mask insecurity
Jumping to conclusions
Egoic pride
Lack of trust
Entitlement
Expecting to be treated with deference
This sense of entitlement impacts every relationship, as those who are close to people who exhibit these attitudes and behaviors will attest. At home it may appear as if this person is tyrannical, ruling with a heavy hand that has family members quivering in fear. In the workplace, it could show up as a controlling boss who leaves no room for employees to think for themselves or act independently and takes credit for their work, sabotaging them any chance they get. In friendship, it might look like gathering loyal followers who model themselves after him or her
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Htowngriz said:
marceagfan5 said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
I know, I know, we haven't even played the 2015 season yet, so it is stupid to even discuss next season. I'll save you the keystrokes to tell me this.

But I want to give you concrete reasons why there is no way we will turn things around until 2017, possible not even until 2018.

The reason is DEFENSE, and the lack of it. Our 2016 will be depleted of impact players at many key positions. Our D-line loses its best two players. Our LB corps loses its top 4 players. We lose our best CB and best safety. We will be very young on defense, and our front 7 will be untested and extremely young.

You win with defense. And ours will be the weakest it has been in many years next year. Tell me why I'm wrong, sans the childish name-calling.

Lets see, the Griz have made the playoffs the last two years even with all the "turmoil", you were even seeded in 2013. You play in the Big Sky, which has 3-4 good teams every year, but a lot of dumpster fires and gimme wins. You have a new coach, although unproven at the FCS level, appears to be a good one.

Your offense will improve immediately, regardless of the new system, and no one buys the "we are losing all are talent" argument. Good programs replace talent with other talent, the Griz are a good program where talented players want to play.

The griz will be just fine and have this thing turned around well before 2017 or 2018, c'mon man.
Great post. Growlie, I think it's time for a self-imposed vacation to try and recover from this cordial yet devastating beatdown.

Yeah, some EWU fan makes a post and you turn it into the Gospel. This is the same poster who Griz fans slammed incessantly for making stupid posts. Typical liberal rope-a-dope B.S.
That should make the fact that he absolutely owned your whiny ass all the more troubling.
 
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