Not to point out the obvious, but...

[tnt]

Didn't say John Friesz was the best. The best that ever came out of the Big Sky is as far as I'm concerned likley a BB player or if FB player a defensive player. Just as the best team ever was an ISU BB back in 77 (I think) although the griz had a good run back then too.

But playing well at the next level is important. In fact its very important. A team star who doesn't play well at the next level pretty much is showing the team around him was pretty darn good too maybe even made him look better than he was. By the same token a JJ was let down time and again last year by passes that should never have been dropped and penetration that should never have happened.

These lists are total crap.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Didn't say John Friesz was the best. The best that ever came out of the Big Sky is as far as I'm concerned likley a BB player or if FB player a defensive player. Just as the best team ever was an ISU BB back in 77 (I think) although the griz had a good run back then too.

But playing well at the next level is important. In fact its very important. A team star who doesn't play well at the next level pretty much is showing the team around him was pretty darn good too maybe even made him look better than he was. By the same token a JJ was let down time and again last year by passes that should never have been dropped and penetration that should never have happened.

These lists are total crap.

I think your posts are total crap. Just my opinion.

 

[get'em_griz]

Didn't say John Friesz was the best. The best that ever came out of the Big Sky is as far as I'm concerned likley a BB player or if FB player a defensive player. Just as the best team ever was an ISU BB back in 77 (I think) although the griz had a good run back then too.

But playing well at the next level is important. In fact its very important. A team star who doesn't play well at the next level pretty much is showing the team around him was pretty darn good too maybe even made him look better than he was. By the same token a JJ was let down time and again last year by passes that should never have been dropped and penetration that should never have happened.

These lists are total crap.

I think your posts are total crap. Just my opinion.

:lol: :clap:

 

[grizatwork]

Lists like these are designed to create conversation and controversy. No big deal. If DD is number 1 then everyone else complains about the griz bias, especially since Kasper was a Missoulian reporter. If he doesn't, then he didn't make top 50 and griz nation is in revolt and the interwebs get lit up. Whatever. I am going to have another Cold Smoke and let you guys lose sleep while I drift off into a drunken slumber.

 

[tnt]

Lists like these are designed to create conversation and controversy. No big deal. If DD is number 1 then everyone else complains about the griz bias, especially since Kasper was a Missoulian reporter. If he doesn't, then he didn't make top 50 and griz nation is in revolt and the interwebs get lit up. Whatever. I am going to have another Cold Smoke and let you guys lose sleep while I drift off into a drunken slumber.

Damn you making sense takes all of the fun out of it.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Pardon me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge DD is the ONLY BSC athlete to be named MVP of a professional league! That has to count for something.

Better Check on Jarred Allen A five-time Pro Bowl and four-time All-Pro selection and Michael Ray Richardson as Net was MVP of the Eastern the 19830Eastern Conference all-star team that allegedly froze out Michael Jordon.

DD was great not the best. It pulls the whole list into question.

And what qualifies you to decide who is or is not the best. You calling John Friesz the best puts your credibility into question. You should let it go because you are obviously stuck in the mindset that the best big sky athlete must have made it to a solid professional career rather than what they accomplished during their college career. How many national titles does your best Friesz have...

I hate to bring this up but Friesz actually made the SD Chargers Team and was a back up QB for awhile. DD, of course, did not. Don't really know if it matters in this argument but it's another interesting measurement.

 

[Eriul]

Obviously this list does not take into account pro careers. If it did Damian Lillard would probably be #1. He is going to be an NBA all star for many years to come.

 

[grizfnz]

Pardon me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge DD is the ONLY BSC athlete to be named MVP of a professional league! That has to count for something.

Michael Ray Richardson as Net was MVP of the Eastern the 19830Eastern Conference all-star team that allegedly froze out Michael Jordon.
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You need to steal a DeLorean, go back in time and get a sports almanac.
Jordan was drafted in 1984 and was allegedly "froze out" in the February 1985 all-star game by Isaiah Thomas partly on account of his Air Jordan attire worn in the dunk contest and the fact he was a rookie. Jordan ultimately got his payback when the original Olympic dream team was being chosen. Christian Latener was chosen for the final roster spot over Isaiah Thomas after Jordan stated he wouldn't play if Isaiah was on the team.....Checkmate.

BTW, Sugar didn't even make the 1983 all-star game and Ralph Sampson was MVP in 1985.

 

[Hammer]

.....
Name one other player in Big Sky history, in any sport, to have DD's level of dominant conference and national stats (both seasonal and career), conference and national awards (both seasonal and career), and a national title.

We'll wait.

Doesn't matter that he was 5'11" and 180 lbs. dripping wet and not particularly fast. He got it done better in the Big Sky Conference than anyone before or since. Period.

I'll go one further. If he isn't in the College Football Hall of Fame when he becomes eligible, it's a crock.....

John Friesz beat him in EVERY category and already is in the College football hall of fame.

Your fucked brother. I don't believe friesz beat him in every category, in fact I think Daves career stats are better. Plus Dave won an NC. I think Dave still to this day has some BSC passing records. Dickenson is GOD!

 

[Cotton-eyed Hoe]

Double-D was born on January 11th, 1973. The next day, the suburb of Pickering Brook was officially created in Perth, Western Australia and the Pulitzer-prize winning historian Roy Franklin Nichols passed away. I suppose it's possible that these things are unrelated... :?

 

[BWahlberg]

Pardon me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge DD is the ONLY BSC athlete to be named MVP of a professional league! That has to count for something.

Better Check on Jarred Allen A five-time Pro Bowl and four-time All-Pro selection and Michael Ray Richardson as Net was MVP of the Eastern the 19830Eastern Conference all-star team that allegedly froze out Michael Jordon.

DD was great not the best. It pulls the whole list into question.

OK but lets keep in mind this is the BIG SKY top 50 - not the career or professional top 50.

Jarred Allen, great player at ISU, but never took ISU to the levels that DD did. ISU never even got to the playoffs when Allen was on the team. Allen did win the Buchanan award his senior year but many other Big Sky football players have done that AND lead the team into the post season, something Allen was never able to see happen.

MRR, probably one of the best basketball player the UM has ever had however the one year the Grizzlies even made it to the post-season with him he was a freshman averaging 7.5 points per game. That was Montana's best post-season run ever, a sweet 16 berth.

Meanwhile Dave Dickenson transformed the Montana Grizzlies and started off a quarter century of dominance within the Big Sky that's never been matched (at least to my knowledge). He took a team that was competitive but never "good enough" and lead them to the school's first national championship, the schools first and only national MVP on offense, and upon departing Montana fed off of that success to grow the program into one of the premier FCS/1-AA programs in the country. As a Grizzly Dave shattered all sorts of records back in the day when his playoff numbers weren't even counted.

In terms of a single athlete that had a more lasting impact on a school during his time on the roster, there's none better than Dave.

 

[1Griz_Fan]

The following site on Griz stats seems to reflect tnt's view that DD does not even belong in the top 50. It is almost like he never existed. LOL According to these stats Friesz had way better numbers than Dickinson just as tnt claims, yet Friesz is behind Doug Nussmeier on his own team for career passing yardage and TD's. And only in this made up land of zero stats for DD does Friesz beat DD in any major category. Nevertheless it's a shame Friesz didn't play for the Griz considering he is from Missoula.

I have a theory that maybe tnt was DD's backup qb. I know, you would think that would have given him plenty of playing time so why be bitter, however, he likely had to hand off for the majority of plays so now he hates DD for stealing the spotlight.

"Griz Leaders since 1970
PASSING YARDS
Name Yards
Cole Bergquist 7505
Craig Ochs 5419
Andrew Selle 4131
Justin Roper 2836
Josh Swogger 2659
Jordan Johnson 2400
Jeff Disney 835
Nate Montana 274
Justin Hartman 109
Clint Stapp 31"

http://www.totalfootballstats.com/TeamProfile.asp?id=2225" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[ordigger]

Don't say anything bad about the legend. From a pure talent level view for his skill set (ignore the stats), I'm not even confident DD was the best Griz qb of the 90s.

 

[Ursa Major]

Double-D was born on January 11th, 1973. The next day, the suburb of Pickering Brook was officially created in Perth, Western Australia and the Pulitzer-prize winning historian Roy Franklin Nichols passed away. I suppose it's possible that these things are unrelated... :?

:lol:

 

[Obzerver]

Could be wrong but when Allen won the Buchanan award someone else won the BSC defensive player of the year award...been a long time ago and memory is not quite as good as it use to be.

 

[maroon]

Could be wrong but when Allen won the Buchanan award someone else won the BSC defensive player of the year award...been a long time ago and memory is not quite as good as it use to be.

Kane Ioane was the defensive POY.

 

[DuCharme]

Maybe they penalize him for being a drop down?

Jared Allen wasn't a drop down.

No, he wasn't. But he did hold an offer from Washington and had verbally committed to them. Then he went and stole those damn yearbooks.

 

[garizzalies]

Didn't say John Friesz was the best. The best that ever came out of the Big Sky is as far as I'm concerned likley a BB player or if FB player a defensive player.

Your troll-ish agenda is blatantly obvious when you cannot even identify someone who is better than DD.

 

[garizzalies]

From a pure talent level view for his skill set (ignore the stats), I'm not even confident DD was the best Griz qb of the 90s.

If you are the best at your job, you are the most talented. How fricken hard is this? This might sound like an oxy-moron but it seems like some of these trolls have to "learn how to be stupid." They can't be born this dumb, are they? They must go to some advanced education classes on how to be anxiously dumb?

 

[Silvertip]

While Big Sky fans may revere Jared Allen the feeling is definately not mutual. Everytime
the Viking defense introduced themselves on the tube Allen passed on associating himself with Idaho State in favor of naming his alma mater as the University of Eternal Truth or some other weird fabrication...