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Not So Bad After all?

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Southern Cal defeats Griz by 14. Southern Cal defeats BYU by 27. BYU today beats St. John’s by 6. Maybe not a good comparison but despite the early offensive errors we did out score SC for the last 30 minutes. While not looking at the stat sheet for time played by their starters I think we played ok considering we had two freshman starters and a lot of inexperience.
It will definitely be an interesting year not withstanding the COVID-19 pandemic and all. Travis will have his team ready but they have to play the game. It has to be really tough on these men not knowing when and if they’ll get to play.
 
I didn't think USC was bad, they have lottery pick playing, but I think the problem was the eye test and the Griz looked like they were losing the basketball IQ battle for much of the game as well as the physical battle. Now the thing with Big schools is they get to recruit the smart and talented and skilled players and smaller teams only hope is to over achieve in the mental department, I think what people were hoping to see was even when out physicalled we have some guys that can hang with anyone mentally or that have enough refined skill in a certain area that it can overcome a lack of athleticism.
 
USC basketball is an enigma. Consistently recruits NBA types, in recent years been comparable to UCLA, but always playing second fiddle to UCLA. They look the part at times and then flameout with strange losses to lower tier Pac 12 schools and finish like 5th in the conference. Of course that is a generalization, but one of those years all that talent and athletic ability will translate into consistent wins on the court.

They looked the part for 20 minutes on Saturday and very much indifferent for the other 20. I don't think the difference between USC and UM is as wide as it might have seemed in that first half, but like a lot of Power 5 schools they can just throw guys out on the floor that are physical specimens. USC has those guys in spades, and as DeCuire noted UM struggled with length. The USC radio guys were perplexed as to how the second half played out.

UM's problem under DeCuire is they seem in most of these games incapable of stepping out on the right foot at the beginning. In theory the Washington game might be winnable this year and it'll be because they are finally able to string together 40 minutes against a power 5 opponent. Since DeCuire's arrival, he has 1 power 5 win (Pitt) and close to 20 losses. That hasn't been for a lack of trying or talent either the results haven't been there. I'd like to say that Washington is a possibility this year, but it is hard knowing whether who we'll have or if we'll even play.
 
Grizfan-24 said:
USC basketball is an enigma. Consistently recruits NBA types, in recent years been comparable to UCLA, but always playing second fiddle to UCLA. They look the part at times and then flameout with strange losses to lower tier Pac 12 schools and finish like 5th in the conference. Of course that is a generalization, but one of those years all that talent and athletic ability will translate into consistent wins on the court.

They looked the part for 20 minutes on Saturday and very much indifferent for the other 20. I don't think the difference between USC and UM is as wide as it might have seemed in that first half, but like a lot of Power 5 schools they can just throw guys out on the floor that are physical specimens. USC has those guys in spades, and as DeCuire noted UM struggled with length. The USC radio guys were perplexed as to how the second half played out.

UM's problem under DeCuire is they seem in most of these games incapable of stepping out on the right foot at the beginning. In theory the Washington game might be winnable this year and it'll be because they are finally able to string together 40 minutes against a power 5 opponent. Since DeCuire's arrival, he has 1 power 5 win (Pitt) and close to 20 losses. That hasn't been for a lack of trying or talent either the results haven't been there. I'd like to say that Washington is a possibility this year, but it is hard knowing whether who we'll have or if we'll even play.

I suspect that S.C. suffers the same problem in basketball that we do: They're perceived as a football school. And while UCLA has never risen to its former glory years, its roster of current NBA players proves that it still draws incredible talent to its program: Lonzo Ball, Jrue Holiday, Zack Lavine, Kevon Loonery, Kevin Love, Russell Westbrook, Trevor Ariza. (The while USC up until this year had only five players in the NBA, with only DeMar DeRozen being a prominent star.)

I've always hated SC because their football fans can be so insufferable, especially when they play Bay Area teams.

Yet I have nothing but kudos for their basketball program. When we played down there a few years ago, they set me up with courtside seats. And this time not only was the broadcast "fair and balanced" it was ever-so-respectful of the Montana program. Finally, when that SC kid refused to go in for one final dunk it was an act of sportsmanship that really won me over. I hope they go far this year.

As for Montana playing a "complete game" against a Power Five school, I will agree, we always hit these scoring slumps, whether to start (as against SC) or later (as against Stanford last year.

But in fairness to Travis, it is really tough as a mid-major to beat a Power Five school on their home court because so often the "foul situation" goes so decidedly against us. I mean, this happens so often in college basketball as to be well beyond any statistical norm. (And it happened to the Cats last night in their game at Pacifc.)

In the game against USC that I saw, we actually outscored them from the floor, but lost big at the fould line. Power Five teams simply cannot afford to lose on their home court to a mid-major, and I'm convinced that refs "know the score."

But we will pick one of these off--and soon.
 
That Pitt team was historically bad as well as far as Pitt teams go. I think basically shooting is an expensive trait to recruit for (shooting cost a lot more per ounce if you will then defensive footwork and stamina) and we can get more complete players if we recruit athletes that get looked over because they dont have the high level shooting touch. You hope you can teach em to shoot. The problem with bad shooters though is that their basement is really low like a pitcher in baseball that can just lose the control for an inning and walk three guys and leave a few balls down the middle and all of a sudden its 6-0 in the 2nd inning if the other teams have hitters that can take a walk and crush ball down the middle like a USC does. Bigsky teams on the other will chase balls out of the zone and foul off mistake pitches and let the Griz get away with going 6min without scoring.

IDK if that made sense lol, but I think Griz shooting is just something you can't get away with against big schools, its not really any worse against the Power5 schools its just those power 5 schools hit our bad stretches for 3 run home runs and we wonder why our guys have to give up bombs against the big schools, when in reality they are making the same bad pitches against big sky schools but they are just getting hit for singles.
 
IMHO you can't make a shooter..... you either are or aren't. You can study the mechanics all day long but what is that mystical quality that a few achieve that everyone knows "it's going in".

Do we foster shooters, seriously ?
 
fanofzoo said:
IMHO you can't make a shooter..... you either are or aren't. You can study the mechanics all day long but what is that mystical quality that a few achieve that everyone knows "it's going in".

Do we foster shooters, seriously ?

I kinda agree I think in most cases if you don't have the fine touch/soft touch motor skills those wont be something you teach. But I've seen it with big guys they have really great touch around the rim but can't hit the ocean once they get 5 feet away from the bucket but once they hone their skills they can nock down 3s with ease. Maybe not perfect example but Samuelson kinda developed into our best 3pt shooter last year.
 
fanofzoo said:
IMHO you can't make a shooter..... you either are or aren't. You can study the mechanics all day long but what is that mystical quality that a few achieve that everyone knows "it's going in".

Do we foster shooters, seriously ?

Hours and hours and hours of shooting makes shooters.
 
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