not good...........

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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[ilovethecats]

Thanks, I didn't know you felt that way.

hey, you'll never hear otherwise from me. you guys have a great program. but this victim card some are trying to play is just pathetic.

 

[grizfan47]

I spoke with someone at UM about this today and was told GSA Membership is at record levels, season ticket sales were ahead of last year. Soooo, how exactly is the sky falling? At the end of the day, the "investigation" may find some issues, but I don't believe Grizzly Athletics is where the issues are going to be found. I would be more concerned if I was Engstrom, Couture, and maybe the new Commissioner of Higher Ed as he seems to have been direclty quoted about something that is not true at all. Personally I welcome the damn thing because if you have nothing to hide, in the end you should be vindicated. If they uncover some misdeeds, then deal with them and those respponsible. :twocents:

Well said. Let the cards fall where they may and move on. Clean house as far up as necessary and let the sun shine in. We'll take whatever lumps we have to take with the good kids/players that are on the team. Remember, a HUGE majority of these guys are solid citizens. The 8700 fans that showed up to watch a scrimmage were a good indication that Griz nation is still strong. I have requested two more seats close to the four that I have if anyone wants to get rid of some.

 

[Maynardsgametrail]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Lets not forget George Dennison. I believe he is the main reason why this all came to a head in the first place, and he will probably get a free pass during this shit-storm. In addition, Glenn is going to get off easily too....I can assure you that academics were swept under the rug during the Glenn watch. Don't forget that Dennehey had a rapist on his team.....remember Max Pierre (yes he went to jail)? This has been going on for along time now. Read was the last UM coach who actually had morals and decent judgement. IMO of course.

 

[grizatwork]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Lets not forget George Dennison. I believe he is the main reason why this all came to a head in the first place, and he will probably get a free pass during this shit-storm. In addition, Glenn is going to get off easily too....I can assure you that academics were swept under the rug during the Glenn watch. Don't forget that Dennehey had a rapist on his team.....remember Max Pierre (yes he went to jail)? This has been going on for along time now. Read was the last UM coach who actually had morals and decent judgement. IMO of course.

I was there during the Read years. He may have had morals and decent judgement, but there was some bad stuff that went on then too. He used to bring in a lot of JC guys the first 5 years or so he was here, and not all of them were good guys. I would say all the coaches we have had had morals and decent judgement, but some were more willing to look the other way as the pressure to win increased. It became a slippery slope and we ended up at the bottom of the hill. Lets clean off the slime and climb back up.

 

[EverettGriz]

:lol:

another great thread. why do i have a feeling that if the NYT had posted this pic along with a story about the wonder that IS washington grizzly stadium and griz football.....that people wouldn't have these views of the paper and what IS and ISN'T news.

my experience is that the good comes with the bad...and you can't have it voth ways. there isn't a person on this board that hasn't bragged numerous times about what an excellent football program you have and how amazing the university of montana is.....yet now some of you want to pretend you're this tiny little no-name university in a sliver of a town in nowhere montana when things aren't great.

good stuff as always. :thumb:

While obviously everything you state is true, ILTC, take 3 minutes to pull up the thread on bcn immediately after the SI article about the problems at MSU. Let me know if you find any differences than what was posted in this thread.




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[Bay Area Cat]

If memory serves, everyone was upset with the SI article because of the not-so-subtlely racist suggestions made by one of the local women featured prominently in the article.

I don't think anyone was the least bit surprised that the horrific events that occurred in Bozeman at that time were making national news.

 

[EverettGriz]

So, what you're saying BAC, is that people felt that there were allegations printed as facts which the posters doubted?

Huh. Well, that's not at all different then, is it?


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[Bay Area Cat]

Ummm ... no, that's not what I was saying GinW.

I'm saying that a woman was quoted in that article expressing opinions that were, in the minds of most, racist, and people were upset by that.

When somebody says (paraphrasing) we shouldn't recruit black players and we should instead just recruit local white boys, because local white boys aren't dangerous like those scary black players, it's not an "allegation." Instead, it's an opinion. An opinion that I remember many people being quite put off by.

 

[EverettGriz]

Ummm ... no, that's not what I was saying GinW.

I'm saying that a woman was quoted in that article expressing opinions that were, in the minds of most, racist, and people were upset by that.

When somebody says (paraphrasing) we shouldn't recruit black players and we should instead just recruit local white boys, because local white boys aren't dangerous like those scary black players, it's not an "allegation." Instead, it's an opinion. An opinion that I remember many people being quite put off by.

You and I have vastly different recalls about those threads. So be it.

 

[PlayerRep]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Your statement is absolutely not true. This is why. The feds are investigating sexual assaults, not crime sprees. There have only been 4 allegations or even insinuations of sexual assaults involving UM athletes.

Only one incident has resulted in a charge. It occured in Sept. 2010, but was not known or reported to anyone at the university or legal authorities until late December 2011. The feds can't possibly have a complaint about that matter.

The JJ matter is still pending. It's being investigated by the police/prosecutors, and the university proceeding is apparently still occurring. The feds couldn't possibly have had a complaint about that one when the investigation started.

One incident occurred in Dec. 2010. The police investigated and declined to pursue it. When the accuser finally complained to the university, a university proceeding began. It has been reported on the board that the university panel recently granted an accused's appeal, by a 7-0 vote. It is also been said on the board that the other remaining cases were then dropped by the university. The panel's work presuambly all occurred after the feds started their investigation.

The 4th incident, from Dec. 2011, is a mystery. No charges and apparently no university proceedings. No specific mention of it in the Barz reports, from what I could see. No rumors that any accused has had action taken against him. Barz report seemed to indicate that accuser(s) didn't want to pursue the matter. Rumors that athletes were never ever really linked to the assault, but had only been among the people at an earlier party or gathering.

The feds are generally looking at gender discrimination, actually patterns of gender discrimination. I think there is a bit more than this, but that is the focus. There is no way that there has been a pattern of gender discrimination occurring in these 4 matters.

 

[PlayerRep]

Ummm ... no, that's not what I was saying GinW.

I'm saying that a woman was quoted in that article expressing opinions that were, in the minds of most, racist, and people were upset by that.

When somebody says (paraphrasing) we shouldn't recruit black players and we should instead just recruit local white boys, because local white boys aren't dangerous like those scary black players, it's not an "allegation." Instead, it's an opinion. An opinion that I remember many people being quite put off by.

You and I have vastly different recalls about those threads. So be it.

Talk about revisionist history, and a bad memory, by the Cat. Wow!

 

[MedGriz]

I just heard the NPR news this evening and of course they said the controversy centers on the Grizzly football team. In my mind the issue is institutional and systemic and greater than the football team. Although the football team is involved it seems to me it is becoming the lightning rod and not just a part of the greater issue of institutional ineptness. Although football players have assaulted women, not all football players assault women. Male students have assaulted women, but not all male students assault women. The issue is with the adults not following protocol and keeping students safe. This stuff is happening everywhere young men and women are together and unsupervised and they have access to drugs and alcohol. It's happening in high schools everywhere, colleges and the military. If U of M becomes the poster child for how to run an institution that deals with sexual assault correctly than so be it but in the process don't group punish a bunch of innocent student athletes for the incompetence of the adults running the show.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Your statement is absolutely not true. This is why. The feds are investigating sexual assaults, not crime sprees. There have only been 4 allegations or even insinuations of sexual assaults involving UM athletes.

Only one incident has resulted in a charge. It occured in Sept. 2010, but was not known or reported to anyone at the university or legal authorities until late December 2011. The feds can't possibly have a complaint about that matter.

The JJ matter is still pending. It's being investigated by the police/prosecutors, and the university proceeding is apparently still occurring. The feds couldn't possibly have had a complaint about that one when the investigation started.

One incident occurred in Dec. 2010. The police investigated and declined to pursue it. When the accuser finally complained to the university, a university proceeding began. It has been reported on the board that the university panel recently granted an accused's appeal, by a 7-0 vote. It is also been said on the board that the other remaining cases were then dropped by the university. The panel's work presuambly all occurred after the feds started their investigation.

The 4th incident, from Dec. 2011, is a mystery. No charges and apparently no university proceedings. No specific mention of it in the Barz reports, from what I could see. No rumors that any accused has had action taken against him. Barz report seemed to indicate that accuser(s) didn't want to pursue the matter. Rumors that athletes were never ever really linked to the assault, but had only been among the people at an earlier party or gathering.

The feds are generally looking at gender discrimination, actually patterns of gender discrimination. I think there is a bit more than this, but that is the focus. There is no way that there has been a pattern of gender discrimination occurring in these 4 matters.

How many times do you have to be told that the federal investigation is being conducted, in part, to see if charges should have been filed in other instances, or if there was a lack of concern about these allegations within the UM, MPD, and the DA office.

You keep spewing the same nonsense, and now you've added "there is no way" that anything happened. You simply don't know that, you blowhard weirdo. Yet you continue to post it over, and over, and over, and it's embarrassing to read. There is no grand conspiracy to get Obama votes. There are real concerns, and people should be very concerned about what happens in the next step, when the NCAA starts its investigation in benefits from boosters to players. If you were smart, you'd be laying low right now, but you just can't do that, can you?

 

[PlayerRep]

The NY Times picture is great.

Agree with earlier post about NY Times running out of news or not having better things to do with their college football section.

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

One thing I know about being a Griz fan is 99%+ of the fans of other FCS schools wish their school had the "It" factor of the Griz. Every FCS school either fantasizes about or is working to be favorably compared to the Griz.

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Your statement is absolutely not true. This is why. The feds are investigating sexual assaults, not crime sprees. There have only been 4 allegations or even insinuations of sexual assaults involving UM athletes.

Only one incident has resulted in a charge. It occured in Sept. 2010, but was not known or reported to anyone at the university or legal authorities until late December 2011. The feds can't possibly have a complaint about that matter.

The JJ matter is still pending. It's being investigated by the police/prosecutors, and the university proceeding is apparently still occurring. The feds couldn't possibly have had a complaint about that one when the investigation started.

One incident occurred in Dec. 2010. The police investigated and declined to pursue it. When the accuser finally complained to the university, a university proceeding began. It has been reported on the board that the university panel recently granted an accused's appeal, by a 7-0 vote. It is also been said on the board that the other remaining cases were then dropped by the university. The panel's work presuambly all occurred after the feds started their investigation.

The 4th incident, from Dec. 2011, is a mystery. No charges and apparently no university proceedings. No specific mention of it in the Barz reports, from what I could see. No rumors that any accused has had action taken against him. Barz report seemed to indicate that accuser(s) didn't want to pursue the matter. Rumors that athletes were never ever really linked to the assault, but had only been among the people at an earlier party or gathering.

The feds are generally looking at gender discrimination, actually patterns of gender discrimination. I think there is a bit more than this, but that is the focus. There is no way that there has been a pattern of gender discrimination occurring in these 4 matters.

How many times do you have to be told that the federal investigation is being conducted, in part, to see if charges should have been filed in other instances, or if there was a lack of concern about these allegations within the UM, MPD, and the DA office.

You keep spewing the same nonsense, and now you've added "there is no way" that anything happened. You simply don't know that, you blowhard weirdo. Yet you continue to post it over, and over, and over, and it's embarrassing to read. There is no grand conspiracy to get Obama votes. There are real concerns, and people should be very concerned about what happens in the next step, when the NCAA starts its investigation in benefits from boosters to players. If you were smart, you'd be laying low right now, but you just can't do that, can you?

Hey weirdo, what I said above is absolutely correct. When I said, "there is no way", I said there was no way that the feds could have a gripe about what was done, not there's not way something didn't occur. Learn to read, you weirdo. Someone told me you've had some involvement with sexual assault. If so, that would explain some of your posts on this subject. NWF, the Weirdo.

 

[GrizLA]

Wow!!! Even for EGriz, Player Rep just crossed the line. Geezus...hard to be a Griz fan with this kind of crap!

 

[PlayerRep]

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

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Your statement is absolutely not true. This is why. The feds are investigating sexual assaults, not crime sprees. There have only been 4 allegations or even insinuations of sexual assaults involving UM athletes.

Only one incident has resulted in a charge. It occured in Sept. 2010, but was not known or reported to anyone at the university or legal authorities until late December 2011. The feds can't possibly have a complaint about that matter.

The JJ matter is still pending. It's being investigated by the police/prosecutors, and the university proceeding is apparently still occurring. The feds couldn't possibly have had a complaint about that one when the investigation started.

One incident occurred in Dec. 2010. The police investigated and declined to pursue it. When the accuser finally complained to the university, a university proceeding began. It has been reported on the board that the university panel recently granted an accused's appeal, by a 7-0 vote. It is also been said on the board that the other remaining cases were then dropped by the university. The panel's work presuambly all occurred after the feds started their investigation.

The 4th incident, from Dec. 2011, is a mystery. No charges and apparently no university proceedings. No specific mention of it in the Barz reports, from what I could see. No rumors that any accused has had action taken against him. Barz report seemed to indicate that accuser(s) didn't want to pursue the matter. Rumors that athletes were never ever really linked to the assault, but had only been among the people at an earlier party or gathering.

The feds are generally looking at gender discrimination, actually patterns of gender discrimination. I think there is a bit more than this, but that is the focus. There is no way that there has been a pattern of gender discrimination occurring in these 4 matters.

How many times do you have to be told that the federal investigation is being conducted, in part, to see if charges should have been filed in other instances, or if there was a lack of concern about these allegations within the UM, MPD, and the DA office.

You keep spewing the same nonsense, and now you've added "there is no way" that anything happened. You simply don't know that, you blowhard weirdo. Yet you continue to post it over, and over, and over, and it's embarrassing to read. There is no grand conspiracy to get Obama votes. There are real concerns, and people should be very concerned about what happens in the next step, when the NCAA starts its investigation in benefits from boosters to players. If you were smart, you'd be laying low right now, but you just can't do that, can you?

One more thing. Do you think you could just stick to commenting on posts, instead of telling lies and name-calling. Since you have started the name-calling, and if you continue, I'll be happy to oblige you in return.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Hey weirdo, what I said above is absolutely correct. When I said, "there is no way", I said there was no way that the feds could have a gripe about what was done, not there's not way something didn't occur. Learn to read, you weirdo. Someone told me you've had some involvement with sexual assault. If so, that would explain some of your posts on this subject. NWF, the Weirdo.

You don't know what the feds could have a gripe about, and you look foolish. Even more so now that you've stooped to the level of accusing me of engaging in sexual assault. I'm not the one trying to excuse, explain, spin, or dismiss all of the allegations.

That would be you, Jack. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[smith3rz]

This is just saddening. Poor girl had to go through that. And whats up with players using roofies? They are on the damn football team shouldnt be that difficult to get laid.

 

[garizzalies]

Why are the feds involved in a matter like this?

The feds are involved because JOD, Hauck and to a lesser extent Pflu dropped the ball when it came to stopping the crime spree.

..There have only been 4 allegations or even insinuations of sexual assaults involving UM athletes....

but the "athletes" are all in the same sport and there's more than 4 involved, right? I count at least seven football players: 4 involved in the gang bang, JJ, Donaldson, and mystery incident #4. so basically 7% of the team was accused of sexual assault in little over a year. that's an abnormally high number for any school (esp. a small school in the sticks), and the biggest factor why i think the feds are involved.