Not Gap Sound

[indiancoyote]

Outside of having great athetes it's the most important aspect of a defense. Mellot's comments = Poor fundamentals and discipline by the defense. The EWU coach said the samehting during his press conference. It's one of the main reasons we give up big plays.

 

[indiancoyote]

The other tendency of the Grizzly D that was exploited was the speed of the griz swarming towards the ball carrier. The Kittens used counter flowing plays, the play flows heavily to the right and then the ball ends up being ran to the left. The griz players over peruse, which was the cause of so many uncharacteristic missed tackles.

Honestly this was probably the single biggest reason our defense got exploited. I love our aggressive style but teams that can really run a misdirection can mitigate all that speed.
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Very few counters were used during the Cat game.

 

[Montanabob]

We have (allegedly) some of the best cover corners in the FCS, so not a single clue why we kept our safeties deep on every play and didn't put Gubner and Alford on the field at the same time, load the box, and dare them to throw it.

The only blitz I can even remember was the corner blitz, which was one of the only negative plays they had in the entire game.

I don't want to say it was all our staff's hubris, thinking "we're gonna out physical them and blow them up, we don't need fancy adjustments. Our base defense is elite", but that's sure as shit what it looked like on the field.

Gotta keep someone back to stop the big play because of aggressive corners. Idaho showed that by getting does to bite short and lobbing it over his head for a TD. I expected to repeat it but didn't really see them even try it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We have (allegedly) some of the best cover corners in the FCS, so not a single clue why we kept our safeties deep on every play and didn't put Gubner and Alford on the field at the same time, load the box, and dare them to throw it.

The only blitz I can even remember was the corner blitz, which was one of the only negative plays they had in the entire game.

I don't want to say it was all our staff's hubris, thinking "we're gonna out physical them and blow them up, we don't need fancy adjustments. Our base defense is elite", but that's sure as shit what it looked like on the field.

Gotta keep someone back to stop the big play because of aggressive corners. Idaho showed that by getting does to bite short and lobbing it over his head for a TD. I expected to repeat it but didn't really see them even try it.

didn't need to when you're getting 8-10-12 yards per rushing attempt.

 

[BillingsMafia]

wow an actual football thread with some insightful posts

 

[DrainBramage]

When facing an option team every coaches mantra is to play “assignment” football. That sound very much like a gap discipline approach. The cats aren’t a triple option team, but they have similar elements. Perhaps a non base defense needs to be applied, just for the cats. SEMO has a power back, but they aren’t a option team, , I suspect that the Grizzly base defense will do just fine.

 

[HookedonGriz]

I like the twist stunting but they seem to do it constantly. Against a team that runs an efficient RPO scheme, It seems like a recipe for disaster and Tommy is really good at finding the soft spots.

I would argue that the combination of the stunt and a zone blocking scheme (essentially using the defenders movement to wash him out) paired with the plus 1 system that the cats are running was our kryptonite. I don’t for a second believe that Alford and Gubner are ineffective d linemen. It’s just the scheme that was run made them so. They categorically don’t suck.

The high pressure blitz scheme that this team runs seems to seldom come from the edge. Having a plus 1 on the edge and attacking there puts out more blockers than there are defenders. Easy peasy. If stunts are happening, the OLine just has to “help them along” to wash them out of the play.

I felt like if the Griz would stop the stunting and force the edge, then it would have slowed the cats down. But we didn’t.

Excellent viewpoint and I agree

 

[uofmman1122]

We have (allegedly) some of the best cover corners in the FCS, so not a single clue why we kept our safeties deep on every play and didn't put Gubner and Alford on the field at the same time, load the box, and dare them to throw it.

The only blitz I can even remember was the corner blitz, which was one of the only negative plays they had in the entire game.

I don't want to say it was all our staff's hubris, thinking "we're gonna out physical them and blow them up, we don't need fancy adjustments. Our base defense is elite", but that's sure as shit what it looked like on the field.

Gotta keep someone back to stop the big play because of aggressive corners. Idaho showed that by getting does to bite short and lobbing it over his head for a TD. I expected to repeat it but didn't really see them even try it.

No offense (because you guys didn’t even need to try it), but you’re not the passing offense Idaho is. Our whole objective was to force you guys to pass, and I wholly believe if we had done that, it would’ve been a much closer game.

But we pretty much said “we’re going to force them to pass” and then did everything to make sure you never had to.

 

[uofmman1122]

I would argue that the combination of the stunt and a zone blocking scheme (essentially using the defenders movement to wash him out) paired with the plus 1 system that the cats are running was our kryptonite. I don’t for a second believe that Alford and Gubner are ineffective d linemen. It’s just the scheme that was run made them so. They categorically don’t suck.

The high pressure blitz scheme that this team runs seems to seldom come from the edge. Having a plus 1 on the edge and attacking there puts out more blockers than there are defenders. Easy peasy. If stunts are happening, the OLine just has to “help them along” to wash them out of the play.

I felt like if the Griz would stop the stunting and force the edge, then it would have slowed the cats down. But we didn’t.

Excellent viewpoint and I agree

Look at how the cats stuffed us on 4th down with Britt in there when we ran the zone read. That’s exactly the kind of defensive call I was expecting us to make, and we didn’t do it at all.

 

[DrainBramage]

Outside of having great athetes it's the most important aspect of a defense. Mellot's comments = Poor fundamentals and discipline by the defense. The EWU coach said the samehting during his press conference. It's one of the main reasons we give up big plays.

True, but It’s also the main reason that the D is a disruptive as it is; doesn’t follow the normal rules. We are in the backfield so quick that the QB doesn’t have the time to find the big play that is open. High risk high reward

 

[stilwtrgrizz]

A quick thank you to all of you who have kept this thread on topic and added your knowledge with direct answers to the questions asked. Have to say, I personally haven't learned or enjoyed ANY thread on here this much in a VERY VERY VERY long time. Thanks again. :clap: :clap: :thumb: :thumb:

 

[griz65]

A quick thank you to all of you who have kept this thread on topic and added your knowledge with direct answers to the questions asked. Have to say, I personally haven't learned or enjoyed ANY thread on here this much in a VERY VERY VERY long time. Thanks again. :clap: :clap: :thumb: :thumb:

Agreed! Thank you.

 

[SaskGriz]

Someone on here mentioned that a lot of the Griz pressure comes with LB's shooting gaps on the inside. I think that works against them when they face a team that is running outside zone. Maybe need to have the two outside LB's spaced a little wider pre-snap, have them work outside/in, less likely to get caught and pinned inside. Also agree with those of you who think they need to put a 7th man and maybe an 8th in the box.

 

[Bok_Choi]

Someone on here mentioned that a lot of the Griz pressure comes with LB's shooting gaps on the inside. I think that works against them when they face a team that is running outside zone. Maybe need to have the two outside LB's spaced a little wider pre-snap, have them work outside/in, less likely to get caught and pinned inside. Also agree with those of you who think they need to put a 7th man and maybe an 8th in the box.

I think a 12th or 13th man would have have been the difference. No one got off a block, or did anythng but arm tackle as a result. It was a very, very poor effort all around.

 

[GrizSteve]

“A quick thank you to all of you who have kept this thread on topic and added your knowledge with direct answers to the questions asked. Have to say, I personally haven't learned or enjoyed ANY thread on here this much in a VERY VERY VERY long time. Thanks again.” :clap: :clap: :thumb: :thumb:
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You’re welcome

 

[behappp]

Someone on here mentioned that a lot of the Griz pressure comes with LB's shooting gaps on the inside. I think that works against them when they face a team that is running outside zone. Maybe need to have the two outside LB's spaced a little wider pre-snap, have them work outside/in, less likely to get caught and pinned inside. Also agree with those of you who think they need to put a 7th man and maybe an 8th in the box.

I think a 12th or 13th man would have have been the difference. No one got off a block, or did anythng but arm tackle as a result. It was a very, very poor effort all around.

All it takes is one idiot fool to derail a decent thread. Turns out it's Bok_Choi.

 

[smarsh]

The other tendency of the Grizzly D that was exploited was the speed of the griz swarming towards the ball carrier. The Kittens used counter flowing plays, the play flows heavily to the right and then the ball ends up being ran to the left. The griz players over peruse, which was the cause of so many uncharacteristic missed tackles.

what this dude said. when they would run a replay from the end zone, you could see this working with spectacular success for them. .

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Not trying to be deliberately obtuse, but what's the difference between RPO and the One Plus thing? Are there differences or are they just different terms for the same thing?

 

[Bok_Choi]

I think a 12th or 13th man would have have been the difference. No one got off a block, or did anythng but arm tackle as a result. It was a very, very poor effort all around.

All it takes is one idiot fool to derail a decent thread. Turns out it's Bok_Choi.

And your contribution was so killer. Thanks rolling up to the keyboard to share oh font of football wisdom.

The 3-3-5 stack defense is about deception, confusing the offense. It was developed not all that long ago as a possible answer in defending spread offenses, that have become the norm. It's almost wholly reliant on speed, which is why Gubner and Alford are the only guys with girth - and by the way, they both can run. They don't substitute guys in packages to address any kind of down or distance or offensive tendencies they might see from who they are playing. Theyre the same, every snap. Bringing pressure, hoping to confuse the blockers, run to the ball and hope for the best. Live by the sword and die by it - spectacularly. They didn't get off blocks, that's not a feature of gap soundness. They got blocked. Getting off blocks is a day one drill and is practiced all year long. And because they were being blocked, all the tackling was lunging and trying to arm-tackle guys running by them. Anybody catch last years game. Bozeman had an all conference offensive line, same guy at quarterback for more than half the game. They didn't run all over this defense last year - did they? Why was that? Fluke, better execution, want it more. You decide.

Overall, not my idea of good defense. But bobby isn''t going to change anything until something forces him to. I do know that the offense failed to provide any kind of value for the parts of the game that mattered - when things hadn't gotten completely away from them. TD Tommy isn't out giving interviews about gap soundness if a Griz offense had showed up Saturday. Bobby bet heavily on a defense that everyone has five years of experience with now. It's not particularly deceptive anymore.

 

[GrizProtocol]

Not trying to be deliberately obtuse, but what's the difference between RPO and the One Plus thing? Are there differences or are they just different terms for the same thing?

RPO is a run pass option where the QB reads and chooses run or pass.

Plus one is is just adding the QB to a FB or HB backfield. Basically a version of the triple option now labeled wildcat or plus one