(Not Football) But this crap has to stop before GRIZ Football season!

[Grizbeer]

Truth is these mandates are not enforceable. They should have kept playing.

Did the health department shut down protests?

Protests - covered under the constitution, sporting events not so much (at least in my interpretation).

While some may believe mandates are not “enforceable” it appears the tournament organizers were informed by MCPH that they did not meet the Phase 2 guidelines and were likely advised to contact their attorneys and insurance providers to see if they would have any liability issues for failing to comply with said mandate.

Good pint about protest and free speech being protected by the constitution - but then again, freedom of religious worship is equally protected by the constitution and yet restrictions (bans) were placed on that and this restrictions were deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court because the restrictions were consistent with how restrictions on other events were enforced.

Seems the only thing that makes the restrictions legal is if they are enforced equally and consistently, and the Allowing (encouraging) protest without restrictions while maintaining restrictions on other activities, including constitutionally protected activities seems problematic.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Protests - covered under the constitution, sporting events not so much (at least in my interpretation).

While some may believe mandates are not “enforceable” it appears the tournament organizers were informed by MCPH that they did not meet the Phase 2 guidelines and were likely advised to contact their attorneys and insurance providers to see if they would have any liability issues for failing to comply with said mandate.

Good pint about protest and free speech being protected by the constitution - but then again, freedom of religious worship is equally protected by the constitution and yet restrictions (bans) were placed on that and this restrictions were deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court because the restrictions were consistent with how restrictions on other events were enforced.

Seems the only thing that makes the restrictions legal is if they are enforced equally and consistently, and the Allowing (encouraging) protest without restrictions while maintaining restrictions on other activities, including constitutionally protected activities seems problematic.

It would be interesting to see what the SC would have done if peaceful protests had been brought forward vs church attendance.

Enforceability is a whole other matter. I still contend these mandates are largely not enforceable.

 

[ranco]

Sometimes emails get overlooked. The Maves should have overlooked the health department email and played anyway.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Ha, Take it from someone who has to deal with the city/county of Missoula/ Missoula health dept. on a regular basis . It is amazing anything gets built and when it does takes longer because of the buffoonery from these so called officials .
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Example, Did you know you need 3 separate inspections to pour a sidewalk ( city,state, county )/ and another two ( city / county )after you pour the sidewalk on a main street .
Health dept. Reviews on building plans take up to 6 months ????
Missoula and Bozeman are the absolute worst in the State to deal with .

 

[nzone]

I’m positive the athletic dept. is having discussions with the Missoula City County Health Department about the upcoming football season. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I mean with a 250 person limit what Tailgate area’s will be allowed? I believe playing this fall is hopeful at best.

 

[cclarkblues]

Maybe throw a protest and play a baseball game in the middle of it.

 

[Yukon]

Maybe throw a protest and play a baseball game in the middle of it.

Yup. I seen some churches actually doing this.

 

[Griz til I die]

I’m confident we’ll play football with fans in the fall. I guarantee you that the athletic department and health department have been in contact for months and are already working on a plan. Plus if what they’re saying is true about the virus fading during the summer, then we may not see many cases come the start of the football season in MT. We may all have to wear masks, and that’s totally fine by me if I can go see my team play. They’ll figure it out.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Truth is these mandates are not enforceable. They should have kept playing.

Did the health department shut down protests?

Yep. After the protests and riots were left to go, NO “mandate” is enforceable and should have been just patently ignored. :clap: :clap:

 

[84GRIZ]

Truth is these mandates are not enforceable. They should have kept playing.

Did the health department shut down protests?

Yep. After the protests and riots were left to go, NO “mandate” is enforceable and should have been just patently ignored. :clap: :clap:

My understanding is while these mandates might not be enforceable if you are told to shut down and you don’t you are opening the door to future lawsuits if someone gets sick. Maybe player rep can comment on that issue. Being a board member on various organizations I know that scares the crap out of people trying to run events right now.

 

[tourist]

UM Autonomous Zone. F*ck Missoula County Health Dept. and Bullock. Cclarkblues has a great idea.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yep. After the protests and riots were left to go, NO “mandate” is enforceable and should have been just patently ignored. :clap: :clap:

My understanding is while these mandates might not be enforceable if you are told to shut down and you don’t you are opening the door to future lawsuits if someone gets sick. Maybe player rep can comment on that issue. Being a board member on various organizations I know that scares the crap out of people trying to run events right now.

Yes, I think your point is a good one, i.e. more risk is a group/business defies the rules.

 

[grizindabox]

My understanding is while these mandates might not be enforceable if you are told to shut down and you don’t you are opening the door to future lawsuits if someone gets sick. Maybe player rep can comment on that issue. Being a board member on various organizations I know that scares the crap out of people trying to run events right now.

Yes, I think your point is a good one, i.e. more risk is a group/business defies the rules.

Another issue that has become apparent as several business, including several bars and restaurants, have found that ignoring the mandates could lead to business and liquor licenses being pulled.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

Yes, I think your point is a good one, i.e. more risk is a group/business defies the rules.

Another issue that has become apparent as several business, including several bars and restaurants, have found that ignoring the mandates could lead to business and liquor licenses being pulled.

So basically extortion !!! They triedthat with that Barber somewhere and it got overturned by a judge I thought . " If you go against us we will pull the license to do your lively hood " People are wonderful humans sometimes . But the human soup bowl of germs ( Wal Mart )can stay open .LOL

 

[kemajic]

UM Autonomous Zone. F*ck Missoula County Health Dept. and Bullock. Cclarkblues has a great idea.

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[grizindabox]

Another issue that has become apparent as several business, including several bars and restaurants, have found that ignoring the mandates could lead to business and liquor licenses being pulled.

So basically extortion !!! They triedthat with that Barber somewhere and it got overturned by a judge I thought . " If you go against us we will pull the license to do your lively hood " People are wonderful humans sometimes . But the human soup bowl of germs ( Wal Mart )can stay open .LOL

You may or may not agree with the rules, but just breaking the rules will have consequences. If you don't like them, go to court, you just don't disobey them. I would not call it "extortion". I would also think you would be hard pressed to find any situation where a legal challenge was successful.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

Hard pill to swallow, Cats play games with fans this year, Griz don’t play or play without fans over this horseshit.

The msu litter box facilities manager used this year's bozo hs +500 student outdoor graduation ceremony as a test run for the upcoming college football season.

 

[grizpack]

The difference is in the 250 person "requirement". The County is interpreting this (apparently for the purpose of baseball and soccer only), as 250 people cumulative over the life of the event. I wasn't out there, so cannot say one way or another. But others said there were maybe 50-75 people at each game. The Mavs were clearing the stadium between games, and sanitizing. There is plenty of room for that few of people to sit far apart.

I am curious on how they are going to treat Little League baseball and softball, which is starting tonight. It will literally be played every night, on multiple fields, with far more than 250 people in attendance (cumulative). How about churches that hold multiple services on a weekend?

The email in question was sent (intentionally) at 4:56 p.m. on Friday. And the County is holding the lease over the Mavs. After the Mavs put up a brand new facility there (with $0.00 city, county, state or fed money).

I am concerned about the Griz games. With the current interpretations by the County, there is no way they will be able to play with fans, and highly unlikely they can do it without fans. High school sports also.

 

[TCCGRIZ]

So basically extortion !!! They triedthat with that Barber somewhere and it got overturned by a judge I thought . " If you go against us we will pull the license to do your lively hood " People are wonderful humans sometimes . But the human soup bowl of germs ( Wal Mart )can stay open .LOL

You may or may not agree with the rules, but just breaking the rules will have consequences. If you don't like them, go to court, you just don't disobey them. I would not call it "extortion". I would also think you would be hard pressed to find any situation where a legal challenge was successful.

So maybe the question is , " is it written in licensing rules whether or not if you disobey a mandatory closure order can your license be revoked ." Also is the rule in question constitutional ? May need a lawyer to chime in here .

 

[TCCGRIZ]

So basically extortion !!! They triedthat with that Barber somewhere and it got overturned by a judge I thought . " If you go against us we will pull the license to do your lively hood " People are wonderful humans sometimes . But the human soup bowl of germs ( Wal Mart )can stay open .LOL

You may or may not agree with the rules, but just breaking the rules will have consequences. If you don't like them, go to court, you just don't disobey them. I would not call it "extortion". I would also think you would be hard pressed to find any situation where a legal challenge was successful.

So maybe the question is , " is it written in licensing rules whether or not if you disobey a mandatory closure order can your license be revoked ." Also is the rule in question constitutional ? May need a lawyer to chime in here .