North Dakota State Linebacker Arrested

[SACCAT66]

And to think MSU might have played a weakened NDSU team this fall. Might have kept the spread to 30.....

Ouch! I can't wait to hear the whining commence from Bobcan't fans about your comment. Wait for it.... Should be any second now.

Why would we (bobcat fans) whine about his comment?

 

[uofmman1122]

Regardless of if you're the aggressor or not, you can't beat a man until he's unconscious. And flee the scene.

Keep those yellow and green tinted glasses in focus though :| .

You say "beat a man unconscious". What if in defending himself he punched the guy once or twice and the guy is knocked out. Sure for media its much more exciting to and gets more readers to say he beat a man unconscious as opposed to in defending himself the man was knocked out. Yeah it's all speculation but the video will be the key here. If he was on top of a guy and the aggressor and kept punching until he was dragged off the guy that's one thing. That doesn't appear to be the case. It's now sounding like it was two against one with the one only defending himself. Unfortunately the other guy had a glass jaw it sounds like and he lost. I'm not condoning anything but the rush to judgement against a star football player may not appear to be what it was first reported as. Sound familiar?

Nice, the guy who went unconscious is totally at fault here?

What's your excuse for fleeing the scene? If Jordy had been accused that night and fled, people's opinions would have been much different.

I'm not nor do I have to "Make excuses". I'm just saying that what you may or may not have read in the media isn't the full story. Of course the media wouldn't ever put out a story without getting all the facts and making sure everything they print is 100% true and accurate :thumb:
I'm just saying he will get his day in court and this may end differently than some think or may want it to. You on the other hand appear to already have him tried and convicted assuming everything you have read on this in the media is all there is to it and it's all 100% accurate. Good luck with that.

I think all we're saying is that there is gonna have to be some weird, insane twist in circumstances for this to turn out like you're implying. Not saying it's impossible, but given what we know so far (one dude unconscious, the kid fled the scene and struggled with police to be detained), it doesn't look good for this kid.

 

[krammer]

he did flee and he did resist arrest, and I can tell you from experience that will not be overlooked by the police department,,,,of this I am certain....I don't care what happened before that...

 

[getgrizzy]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out. beck might've been worried that his attackers had friends on the way or were going to get guns. geez. where's playarapa?

 

[grizfan95]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out.

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

 

[getgrizzy]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out.

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

for as guilty as he looked it worked out fantastically for him. he might be very lucky the cops didn't find the weapon. just like beck might be lucky if there is no video.

 

[PlayerRep]

You say "beat a man unconscious". What if in defending himself he punched the guy once or twice and the guy is knocked out. Sure for media its much more exciting to and gets more readers to say he beat a man unconscious as opposed to in defending himself the man was knocked out. Yeah it's all speculation but the video will be the key here. If he was on top of a guy and the aggressor and kept punching until he was dragged off the guy that's one thing. That doesn't appear to be the case. It's now sounding like it was two against one with the one only defending himself. Unfortunately the other guy had a glass jaw it sounds like and he lost. I'm not condoning anything but the rush to judgement against a star football player may not appear to be what it was first reported as. Sound familiar?

Nice, the guy who went unconscious is totally at fault here?

What's your excuse for fleeing the scene? If Jordy had been accused that night and fled, people's opinions would have been much different.

I'm not nor do I have to "Make excuses". I'm just saying that what you may or may not have read in the media isn't the full story. Of course the media wouldn't ever put out a story without getting all the facts and making sure everything they print is 100% true and accurate :thumb:
I'm just saying he will get his day in court and this may end differently than some think or may want it to. You on the other hand appear to already have him tried and convicted assuming everything you have read on this in the media is all there is to it and it's all 100% accurate. Good luck with that.

I think all we're saying is that there is gonna have to be some weird, insane twist in circumstances for this to turn out like you're implying. Not saying it's impossible, but given what we know so far (one dude unconscious, the kid fled the scene and struggled with police to be detained), it doesn't look good for this kid.

Not saying any of this will turn out to be accurate, but In defending oneself, a good punch can knock someone out. Despite what the article said, "beat other guy unconscious", I saw nothing specific to necessarily indicate that he kept beating on the guy. The article said he fled the scene after the cops arrived and when they were attending to the other guy. While not good, that's not necessarily as bad as leaving earlier. Had the cops asked him to stay? I assume so, but maybe not. If the cops found him and brought him back, he must not have been trying to "flee" very hard. I wondered if the resisting arrest was for leaving the scene, as opposed to physically resisting arrest.

Initial newspaper articles are often inaccurate, because they are one-sided and they just take the words and spin of the police. Look how inaccurate the initial articles were on the UM taser incident. Completely wrong and offbase. The cops didn't witness the incident. They hadn't looked at the tape that night. They observed the scene and probably asked a few people. Did they talk to bystanders, friends of the "victim", or friends of the player? This would probably make a big difference in their initial assessment, as has already pointed out in this thread. Even the Bozeman basketball player fight, and Minter involvement, turned out to be quite different than initial reports.

Before convicting and hammering the kid based on an initial newspaper article which was likely based only on what the police said, why not listen to what Bison has to say?

 

[grizfan95]

I understand and respect what Bison has to say, but the kid's past doesn't bode well for this incident.

 

[MTOutsider]

Where are all the innocent until proven guilty posts?

 

[BisonBacker]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out.

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

for as guilty as he looked it worked out fantastically for him. he might be very lucky the cops didn't find the weapon. just like beck might be lucky if there is no video.

Quite the contrary I think that will be what will really save him if anything will. If the camera's that the Fargo PD put up caught this all which it is sounding like it did I think that will exonerate much of what he's being charged with if as he's saying he was defending himself is true. As to the resisting that's a different animal and yes he's got to answer to that. If I was a betting man and I'm not mind you but if I was I'd say all three get disorderly's and we move on. What does that mean to him as a player? I don't know but I'd have to think there would still be some kind of suspension of some kind where he misses X number of games.

 

[Grizlaw]

It's Fargo, where's he going to go? :lol:

To Cheney, I assume. Isn't that where everyone goes when they need to liven things up?

 

[Grizzlies1982]

Where are all the innocent until proven guilty posts?

This is clearly "Thuggery". :ugeek:

 

[PlayerRep]

I understand and respect what Bison has to say, but the kid's past doesn't bode well for this incident.

I saw that he had an MIP last summer, and had run off from the incident (this charge was later dropped). What else is there in his past, other than being from Munich ND and being the MVP of the '11 national championship game?

 

[getgrizzy]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out.

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

for as guilty as he looked it worked out fantastically for him. he might be very lucky the cops didn't find the weapon. just like beck might be lucky if there is no video.

Quite the contrary I think that will be what will really save him if anything will. If the camera's that the Fargo PD put up caught this all which it is sounding like it did I think that will exonerate much of what he's being charged with if as he's saying he was defending himself is true. As to the resisting that's a different animal and yes he's got to answer to that. If I was a betting man and I'm not mind you but if I was I'd say all three get disorderly's and we move on. What does that mean to him as a player? I don't know but I'd have to think there would still be some kind of suspension of some kind where he misses X number of games.

yes and finding the weapon in the wilson case could've helped him maybe.

 

[lost_soul]

jimmy Wilson fled the scene and that worked out.

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

for as guilty as he looked it worked out fantastically for him. he might be very lucky the cops didn't find the weapon. just like beck might be lucky if there is no video.

Quite the contrary I think that will be what will really save him if anything will. If the camera's that the Fargo PD put up caught this all which it is sounding like it did I think that will exonerate much of what he's being charged with if as he's saying he was defending himself is true. As to the resisting that's a different animal and yes he's got to answer to that. If I was a betting man and I'm not mind you but if I was I'd say all three get disorderly's and we move on. What does that mean to him as a player? I don't know but I'd have to think there would still be some kind of suspension of some kind where he misses X number of games.

You're still forgetting the fleeing. If the kid was defending himself why would he run? From what I gather, people run from incidents when they feel they've done something wrong. Will the 'scared kid' defense hold up in court if he's done this before?

 

[HannahO]

It's Fargo, where's he going to go? :lol:

To Cheney, I assume. Isn't that where everyone goes when they need to liven things up?

Good God, I would hope not, but having visited both Cheney and Fargo, I'd take Cheney any day. I've never had to live in either location (and that's saying something since I've lived in 20 states from Maine to North Carolina to Texas to Alaska and in Europe) and I'm sure that each location has its charms but certainly when you think Fargo you think isolation and that was the point of my post.

 

[PlayerRep]

Worked out is a loose term. That was a long road.

for as guilty as he looked it worked out fantastically for him. he might be very lucky the cops didn't find the weapon. just like beck might be lucky if there is no video.

Quite the contrary I think that will be what will really save him if anything will. If the camera's that the Fargo PD put up caught this all which it is sounding like it did I think that will exonerate much of what he's being charged with if as he's saying he was defending himself is true. As to the resisting that's a different animal and yes he's got to answer to that. If I was a betting man and I'm not mind you but if I was I'd say all three get disorderly's and we move on. What does that mean to him as a player? I don't know but I'd have to think there would still be some kind of suspension of some kind where he misses X number of games.

You're still forgetting the fleeing. If the kid was defending himself why would he run? From what I gather, people run from incidents when they feel they've done something wrong. Will the 'scared kid' defense hold up in court if he's done this before?

If the other guy has been knocked out, you don't need to stay to defend yourself anymore.

Running from an incident doesn't mean you are guilty. It can be used as evidence, but it doesn't equal guilt. People leave or run from things all the time, but are not guility. For example, if cops or parents show up at a house party or kegger involving underage kids, even the kids not drinking often leave or run off. Who wants to stick around in the situation, whether or not you've been drinking or not? What about a fight in a downtown bar? If the cops are showing up, even friends of the fighters often split.

Is there any public evidence that the NDS kid actually ran away? Might he have walked away?

 

[Bisonation]

Travis walked away around the corner, cops yelled at him (at the time it was 2-3 guys vs travis and 2 guys punched him) Matt A (who is 6'6" 240 by the way) went after Beck who is 6 1 210 and Beck defended himself then Matt's buddy Mitch H jumped in and got a punch in)

so if this happens and you are walking around, you don't stop for someone yelling at you, you're scared of more people jumping in. he cooperated fully with police after and has spent 2 full days of his life in jail already, that's punishment enough.

Matt A was seen at ribfest concert drunk from 8pm-1am,then went downtown according to reports

 

[EverettGriz]

Good God.

Proof positive that these threads are identical on every board and with every team, no matter whose uniform is being worn when something bad happens.

 

[UNDfan]

Travis walked away around the corner, cops yelled at him (at the time it was 2-3 guys vs travis and 2 guys punched him) Matt A (who is 6'6" 240 by the way) went after Beck who is 6 1 210 and Beck defended himself then Matt's buddy Mitch H jumped in and got a punch in)

so if this happens and you are walking around, you don't stop for someone yelling at you, you're scared of more people jumping in. he cooperated fully with police after and has spent 2 full days of his life in jail already, that's punishment enough.

Matt A was seen at ribfest concert drunk from 8pm-1am,then went downtown according to reports

Supposedly according to Phil Hansen (NDSU grad, Buffalo Bill great)

"Beck picked a fight with this guy earlier and got his ass kicked. He then came back and kicked this guys ass".