No Way JJ Can Be Convicted

[ranco]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, he just came over to watch movies and we were making out. I told him not tonight. Then I realized it did happen, so it must have been my fault, eventually I realized when wouldn't talk to me or even come to get the watch his sister gave him that all he wanted that night was sex. IUt wasn't my fault and nothing would have changed his mind.......

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else when he was holding me down with his forearm on my chest to gain entry. Then I realized it was all about his needs when after penetrating me from on top he turned me over. I didn't know whether he just wanted to humiliate me by doing it doggy style, or whether he wanted to do it anally. Fortunately, I never found out as he ejaculated before he could do either. He went to the bathroom, to clean up, and I went to the kitchen in shock at what just happened. He was so cavalier assuming what he had done and tried to do to me was "normal" when he asked me to take him home I did. I just wanted it over - all of it, I wasn't even sure what happened. For days I didn't know what to do what to say who to say it to. Some days were great some days weren't. Its still like that.........

There are other possibilities of course, but the grueling cross-examination you are all expecting will be tremendously toned down. Everytime the defense starts to get on a roll, there will be an objection. from badgering to leading. Thats if it gets started right away more than likley the girl will be called towards the end of the day. her testimony will be drawn out so as to be finished the next day giving the jury plenty of time to visualize what happened. Of course the police reports, physical evidence etc will in part been given. at worst the cross will happen the next day or after a break only to be followed with more physical and professional evidence to cement the circumstances.

The prosecution will cross the defense witnesses too. How do you know her state off mind etc. What were you talking about. Do you often (never) have lunch? and on it will go.

Beyond a reasonable doubt,who knows??? Will there always be a doubt?

This needs settled OUT of court.

Dude, you obviously don't know squat about the legal system so please stop pretending to. But just a little insight for you, it's ok to lead a witness on cross. You are right about one thing, this should be resolved out of court. The state should dismiss the charge. The state cannot and will not get a conviction.

 

[UMGriz75]

"." is what PR, 75, and Crack seem to have a fair number of.

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

 

[tnt]

Leading only in so far as it directly relates to the direct testimony. It will/should be shut down the instant it starts to go elswhere and you know it.

So sparring and game playing aside Ranco,

Neither dismissal or acquittal will best serve JJ. Dismissal will considered political, and as you know an acquittal rarely means innocence and with EVERYTHING paraded publicly and gleefully reported on by ms florio, he will always be guilty.

JJ made some mistakes and they weren't ALL bad judgement and an evil woman and even you know it. Diversion (or deferred I believe is the term in Montana) evaluation, treatment (if necessary) will eliminate near all the second guessing and may even prevent a serious problem in the future.

I have alwasy believed this does not rise to the level of "rape" but there exists doubt that it is nothing.

"." is what PR, 75, and Crack seem to have a fair number of.

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

Even I slip once in a while, sorry (but it was kinda funny)

 

[GrizPony]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, he just came over to watch movies and we were making out. I told him not tonight. Then I realized it did happen, so it must have been my fault, eventually I realized when wouldn't talk to me or even come to get the watch his sister gave him that all he wanted that night was sex. IUt wasn't my fault and nothing would have changed his mind.......

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else when he was holding me down with his forearm on my chest to gain entry. Then I realized it was all about his needs when after penetrating me from on top he turned me over. I didn't know whether he just wanted to humiliate me by doing it doggy style, or whether he wanted to do it anally. Fortunately, I never found out as he ejaculated before he could do either. He went to the bathroom, to clean up, and I went to the kitchen in shock at what just happened. He was so cavalier assuming what he had done and tried to do to me was "normal" when he asked me to take him home I did. I just wanted it over - all of it, I wasn't even sure what happened. For days I didn't know what to do what to say who to say it to. Some days were great some days weren't. Its still like that.........

There are other possibilities of course, but the grueling cross-examination you are all expecting will be tremendously toned down. Everytime the defense starts to get on a roll, there will be an objection. from badgering to leading. Thats if it gets started right away more than likley the girl will be called towards the end of the day. her testimony will be drawn out so as to be finished the next day giving the jury plenty of time to visualize what happened. Of course the police reports, physical evidence etc will in part been given. at worst the cross will happen the next day or after a break only to be followed with more physical and professional evidence to cement the circumstances.

The prosecution will cross the defense witnesses too. How do you know her state off mind etc. What were you talking about. Do you often (never) have lunch? and on it will go.

Beyond a reasonable doubt,who knows??? Will there always be a doubt?

This needs settled OUT of court.

This shows how clueless you are. Doggy style could never be anything but humiliating to a woman? Is it still 2012. The anal comment just shows some sick subconscious thoughts you have because there is no way a normal person comes to that conclusion based on the affidavit filed in this case. And yes, I do know the exact order the prosecution is going to call witnesses because I talk to Fred regularly. Deal with it.

 

[argh!]

"." is what PR, 75, and Crack seem to have a fair number of.

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

yeah, nothing says "mature" quite like a bunch of cartoon characters arguing endlessly about a law case on an anonymous online football message board. remind me - what is the nom de plume of your biggest ally in this intrepid internet battle of yours?

 

[ranco]

Leading only in so far as it directly relates to the direct testimony. It will/should be shut down the instant it starts to go elswhere and you know it.)

So I guess the prosecutor will not ask her about the rape, so as to avoid cross examination on the subject.

 

[UMGriz75]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, ...

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else ...

There are other possibilities of course ...

I do not understand your penchant for needing to invent what she has said. Well, actually I do. She has already made a minimum of three recorded statements, I have quoted extensively from two of them.

I don't need to make anything up; you seem to need to do that.

Yes, they are different cases on that basis. You've got something based on your fantasies. But, an obsessive "fantasy" already is what drove this case into its current tragic status; and it needs no more of them to be properly resolved.

 

[UMGriz75]

"." is what PR, 75, and Crack seem to have a fair number of.

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

yeah, nothing says "mature" quite like a bunch of cartoon characters arguing endlessly about a law case on an anonymous online football message board. remind me - what is the nom de plume of your biggest ally in this intrepid internet battle of yours?

Well, your contribution so far proves your own point, but the remainder is incomprehensible which is, I suppose, another symbolic "contribution" to the learned and thoughtful level of conversation you wish to encourage.

 

[tnt]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, ...

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else ...

There are other possibilities of course ...

I do not understand your penchant for needing to invent what she has said. Well, actually I do. She has already made a minimum of three recorded statements, I have quoted extensively from two of them.

I don't need to make anything up; you seem to need to do that.

Yes, they are different cases on that basis. You've got something based on your fantasies. But, an obsessive "fantasy" already is what drove this case into its current tragic status; and it needs no more of them to be properly resolved.

I wont disagree with the obsessive fantasy, or the ill advised taking advantage of it getting us here and both concern me.....

The answer (#3) sadly could match the charging documents as well as the "mental issues" I have NEVER said it was absolutely true only possible and the chances for things to go very bad high as well. I very much don't want trial (or a dismissal)

 

[UMGriz75]

:twisted:

This sudden change of stories is a little like Jane Doe. "I didn't say that!"

 

[Umista]

Punishment for the two young kids involved in this rape charge will be the following:

Each needs to read this entire thread.

She needs to write a report about this thread no less than four pages.

He (JJ) will be required to question her report with a report of his own, on her report.

He also needs to write a report on this thread no less than four pages.

She in turn will be required to question his report with a report of her own, on his report.

That is if this thread makes thirty pages.

The rape? Forgotten with all the reports being submitted. Who gets the reports and grades them out along with enforcements will be the top three posters on this thread.

I am certain this will solve this case, punish the two causing all the fuss and give some posters a full time job.

Result? Another win for all of us.

 

[argh!]

"." is what PR, 75, and Crack seem to have a fair number of.

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

yeah, nothing says "mature" quite like a bunch of cartoon characters arguing endlessly about a law case on an anonymous online football message board. remind me - what is the nom de plume of your biggest ally in this intrepid internet battle of yours?

Well, your contribution so far proves your own point, but the remainder is incomprehensible which is, I suppose, another symbolic "contribution" to the learned and thoughtful level of conversation you wish to encourage.

can you please say that in english? oh, never mind. just continue trying to prove whatever it is you think you are trying to prove here on this venue for the expression of higher order thought. and don't forget to use the emoticons!

 

[GrizPony]

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

yeah, nothing says "mature" quite like a bunch of cartoon characters arguing endlessly about a law case on an anonymous online football message board. remind me - what is the nom de plume of your biggest ally in this intrepid internet battle of yours?

Well, your contribution so far proves your own point, but the remainder is incomprehensible which is, I suppose, another symbolic "contribution" to the learned and thoughtful level of conversation you wish to encourage.

can you please say that in english? oh, never mind. just continue trying to prove whatever it is you think you are trying to prove here on this venue for the expression of higher order thought. and don't forget to use the emoticons!

Boy it sounds like his logic has you feeling depleted. Buck up little sailor.

 

[UMGriz75]

Ther ya go, all growed up and mature like ....

But, that already came out on direct examination ...

yeah, nothing says "mature" quite like a bunch of cartoon characters arguing endlessly about a law case on an anonymous online football message board. remind me - what is the nom de plume of your biggest ally in this intrepid internet battle of yours?

Well, your contribution so far proves your own point, but the remainder is incomprehensible which is, I suppose, another symbolic "contribution" to the learned and thoughtful level of conversation you wish to encourage.

can you please say that in english? oh, never mind. just continue trying to prove whatever it is you think you are trying to prove here on this venue for the expression of higher order thought. and don't forget to use the emoticons!

Don't tell me, YOU ALSO need every word explained, defined, parsed ...? Like "it," and "good" and "all"?

 

[JBS]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, he just came over to watch movies and we were making out. I told him not tonight. Then I realized it did happen, so it must have been my fault, eventually I realized when wouldn't talk to me or even come to get the watch his sister gave him that all he wanted that night was sex. IUt wasn't my fault and nothing would have changed his mind.......

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else when he was holding me down with his forearm on my chest to gain entry. Then I realized it was all about his needs when after penetrating me from on top he turned me over. I didn't know whether he just wanted to humiliate me by doing it doggy style, or whether he wanted to do it anally. Fortunately, I never found out as he ejaculated before he could do either. He went to the bathroom, to clean up, and I went to the kitchen in shock at what just happened. He was so cavalier assuming what he had done and tried to do to me was "normal" when he asked me to take him home I did. I just wanted it over - all of it, I wasn't even sure what happened. For days I didn't know what to do what to say who to say it to. Some days were great some days weren't. Its still like that.........

There are other possibilities of course, but the grueling cross-examination you are all expecting will be tremendously toned down. Everytime the defense starts to get on a roll, there will be an objection. from badgering to leading. Thats if it gets started right away more than likley the girl will be called towards the end of the day. her testimony will be drawn out so as to be finished the next day giving the jury plenty of time to visualize what happened. Of course the police reports, physical evidence etc will in part been given. at worst the cross will happen the next day or after a break only to be followed with more physical and professional evidence to cement the circumstances.

The prosecution will cross the defense witnesses too. How do you know her state off mind etc. What were you talking about. Do you often (never) have lunch? and on it will go.

Beyond a reasonable doubt,who knows??? Will there always be a doubt?

This needs settled OUT of court.

Why in the world would JJ settle this out of court? He claims innocence, and will stick to his guns. 75 is kicking your phony ass up and down the internet, and it will continue as long as you post your nonsense. You lose, over and over and over.

 

[tnt]

Why out of court? Lots of innocent people go to prison, especially in emotionally charged and highly publicised case. Not Guilty Verdicts especially in sex cases do not establish innocence. Pabst and Paoli collect their checks and move on. Avoiding court is JJ's best way to get his life back.

Whether the JJ fans take delight in 75's debating ability, the simple fact is the accuser is smart, involved in the community, and pretty darn successful ( except in love apparently) Things could go bad quickly. That pro JJ crowd votes 75 as the butt kicker here won't help in the real world. If a trial can be avoided, it should.

 

[LivGriz]

Not guilty verdicts do not establish innocence ? Dude, what planet are you from? You might want to run that statement past Jimmy Wilson, just to see if he agrees with it.

 

[Growler1]

So crack, you exactly the order they will call the witnesses, and that none of the "hard questions" will be adressed prior to her being called. or the witness prepped. I have suggested there are plenty of ways for the prosecution to go and certainly not only one. Get used to it

Lets do one at a time:

When did you first think you might of been sending mixed signals:

possibility 1: "when I kept playing it over and over in my mind first thinking no, it couldn't have happened, he just came over to watch movies and we were making out. I told him not tonight. Then I realized it did happen, so it must have been my fault, eventually I realized when wouldn't talk to me or even come to get the watch his sister gave him that all he wanted that night was sex. IUt wasn't my fault and nothing would have changed his mind.......

possibility 2: " I realized this wasn't about getting together to get acquainted anything me flirting anything else when he was holding me down with his forearm on my chest to gain entry. Then I realized it was all about his needs when after penetrating me from on top he turned me over. I didn't know whether he just wanted to humiliate me by doing it doggy style, or whether he wanted to do it anally. Fortunately, I never found out as he ejaculated before he could do either. He went to the bathroom, to clean up, and I went to the kitchen in shock at what just happened. He was so cavalier assuming what he had done and tried to do to me was "normal" when he asked me to take him home I did. I just wanted it over - all of it, I wasn't even sure what happened. For days I didn't know what to do what to say who to say it to. Some days were great some days weren't. Its still like that.........

There are other possibilities of course, but the grueling cross-examination you are all expecting will be tremendously toned down. Everytime the defense starts to get on a roll, there will be an objection. from badgering to leading. Thats if it gets started right away more than likley the girl will be called towards the end of the day. her testimony will be drawn out so as to be finished the next day giving the jury plenty of time to visualize what happened. Of course the police reports, physical evidence etc will in part been given. at worst the cross will happen the next day or after a break only to be followed with more physical and professional evidence to cement the circumstances.

The prosecution will cross the defense witnesses too. How do you know her state off mind etc. What were you talking about. Do you often (never) have lunch? and on it will go.

Beyond a reasonable doubt,who knows??? Will there always be a doubt?

This needs settled OUT of court.

Why in the world would JJ settle this out of court? He claims innocence, and will stick to his guns. 75 is kicking your phony ass up and down the internet, and it will continue as long as you post your nonsense. You lose, over and over and over.

Tell all of you what...... if J.J. goes to trial, and is convicted of rape, i'll kiss any 10 of your sorry arses on the steps of the Missoula County court house!

 

[tgreseth]

Tell all of you what...... if J.J. goes to trial, and is convicted of rape, i'll kiss any 10 of your sorry arses on the steps of the Missoula County court house!

:? jerkin chains? :?

 

[MrTitleist]

Tell all of you what...... if J.J. goes to trial, and is convicted of rape, i'll kiss any 10 of your sorry arses on the steps of the Missoula County court house!

haha.. that's bold, Growler. Do you pick who goes first?